 GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | Not just about P2P Remember that while most of this was about P2P it wasn't ALL about P2P. There were other services blocked because they did a stupid block on all ports over a certain number.
Lack of due diligence and pathetic.
I don't know if it affected their business class service but if it did, there could have been business losses which means a bigger issue for Comcast than some residential stuff.
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by GlobalMind:Remember that while most of this was about P2P it wasn't ALL about P2P. Right. Lotus Notes were affected, who knows what else.said by GlobalMind: There were other services blocked because they did a stupid block on all ports over a certain number. Not in this case. Notes was blocked because its "fingerprint" accidentally looked too similar to one Sandvine was set to block. Apparently they fixed it. The question is, "what were they trying to block?" By what was described to me, the Notes fingerprint really didn't look very much like a typical P2P protocol.
I never did figure that one out.
That said, that underlines the fallacy of trying to manage the very applications that users choose.
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Re: Not just about P2P they just dont want to send the time and money to upgrade ther servers to the new age |
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GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | reply to funchords
Thanks for the clarification Robb.
They did indeed fix it, and in the case of Lotus - there were some rather high ranking folks at IBM addressing it with Comcast.
Comcast rather muffed up on that one to say the least. 
Not sure what all you know about Lotus Notes & Domino but I can shed some light there: Notes generally communicates with the Domino server on port 1352. It makes extensive use of database replication and I would imagine somehow they thought this replication process looked funny.
At least that's the only thing I can think of.
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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said by funchords:Right. Lotus Notes were affected, who knows what else. Of all of the scrutiny this has received, more applications would have stepped out.
The Lotus Domino/Notes case would have been extremely rare. You have to figure there's at least an 80/20 split of Exchange/Domino shops, and the number of companies that would expose direct Domino access to the outside world without requiring it to be encapsulated in a VPN would be an even smaller subset. So we had a couple dozen reported instances back when the Sandvine story broke several months back -- has there been even a single reported incident of Notes impact in 2008? |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | No, they fixed it. (I said that). |
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GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | reply to espaeth
said by espaeth:said by funchords:Right. Lotus Notes were affected, who knows what else. Of all of the scrutiny this has received, more applications would have stepped out. The Lotus Domino/Notes case would have been extremely rare. You have to figure there's at least an 80/20 split of Exchange/Domino shops, and the number of companies that would expose direct Domino access to the outside world without requiring it to be encapsulated in a VPN would be an even smaller subset. So we had a couple dozen reported instances back when the Sandvine story broke several months back -- has there been even a single reported incident of Notes impact in 2008? Well the Exhcange/Domino breakdown isn't 80/20 I can tell you that. They're much closer.
It hasn't been an issue in 2008 because the issue was resolved sometime not too long after it was brought up. It was an error on Comcast's part and they fixed it.
The issue showed up both in terms of connections to the client but also in cases where a server might talk to another server, since they'd both use 1352 as the connecting port.
Generally most shops would use a VPN, as honestly the Exhcange shops should as well although many don't. In either case you don't really have to use one though.
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Once again, pure ignorance as to the nature of Sandvine occurs. If any of you had access to ISP data centers you would learn that Sandvine was installed by order of the US Government and ALL MAJOR ISPS IN THE COUNTRY HAVE SANDVINE. Sandvine is a purely passive device and doesn't drop packets. It filters them for information but does not drop them. All filtering happens at router level. Sandvine isn't hardware that the ISPs went out and bought on their own. They were ordered to install it for homeland security. Get your facts straight people. This law suit will probably get thrown out of court. |
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Once again, pure ignorance as to the nature of Sandvine occurs. If any of you had access to ISP data centers you would learn that Sandvine was installed by order of the US Government and ALL MAJOR ISPS IN THE COUNTRY HAVE SANDVINE. Sandvine is a purely passive device and doesn't drop packets. It filters them for information but does not drop them. All filtering happens at router level. Sandvine isn't hardware that the ISPs went out and bought on their own. They were ordered to install it for homeland security. Get your facts straight people. This law suit will probably get thrown out of court.
Please close your Interwebs. |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | ((Grabs Tin-Foil Hat))
Oh, by the way, on the FCC front -- WE JUST WON!!!!
»WallStJournal: FCC Nears Finding On Policy Violation By Comcast
»Bipartisan FCC Majority Votes to Punish Comcast
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