  funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC | reply to NormanS Re: WOW! Comcast cut off Dave Winer ... again
Are you missing my point or just dismissing it?
My point was that it's not clear what it is (unless you're an unusually well informed consumer). |
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  sturmvogel Obama '08
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1 edit | reply to NormanS said by NormanS :I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe it was ever "unlimited service". I have seen nothing, period, since I was a Roadrunner customer, then TW then Comcasted. At no time when TW and then CC took over was a contract signed, the only thing being the advertisements with clowns and turtles what a great thing was coming to Houston. I did have a feeling of dread seeing the stoned look of the lady holding a 6 foot mockup of a 80's cordless phone, but... -- Treason is a matter of dates |
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  Pizz Hi
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| reply to NormanS said by NormanS :said by sturmvogel :How did they make it clear in their advertisements that you are not paying for unlimited whatever ? I have never seen an advertisement for "unlimited bandwidth". I have seen, in the past, when it was contextually relevant, advertisement for "unlimited access". At the time I saw those ads, dial-up service was frequently a limited service. I had a dial-up account for $9.99 per month for five hours of access, and then access switched to metered, at the rate of $1.99 per hour (somewhere I mis-stated that as per minute; this is, I am certain a correction). Essentially, "unlimited access" meant that you did not have to disconnect your modem from the service, not that you could download constantly, 24/7. When dial-up providers started increasing the monthly number of hours for the price, "unlimited access" became a less useful come-on to entice people to broadband connections. And, yes, somebody posted an advertisement from some other market, and some other time, offering "unlimited Internet"; but such an ad was never run where I live. When TimeWarner Cable rolled out Road Runner in my area back in 1999 - Their door to door sales was for Unlimited 24x7 internet connection. They continued with that same market lingo up until this year, when i noticed the unlimited went away. But always on, 24x7 unmetered connection.
Do i think Caps need to be outcome, do to MSOs not really trying to improve their network? Yes - 250gb for first tier, 500gb for their premium tier. But not this invisible cap, that cuts you off because they deem 'you're impacting the network'. |
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 NormanS Premium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA
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| reply to funchords I guess I am blind as bat! 
I have a Comcast door hanger from the days when the fastest Comcast speed tier was 3M / 256k; nothing to even imply "unlimited service" in the entire thing. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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 NormanS Premium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA | reply to Pizz "Unmetered"? Or just "unlimited access". The words have different meanings (and, only apply to Road Runner, in any case). -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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  P Ness You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already Premium join:2001-08-29 Mineola, NY clubs: 
| there is one glaring reason why they will not give you pure cap numbers.....because it puts a pro rated price on people who are under the cap.
how would 90% of their sub base like to know that they pay 50 bucks a month for something that someone who uses 2500% more of the product is paying the same price.
2gb 50 bucks 250gb 50 bucks. there sure would be a lot of pissed off people who would want to be paying something along the lines of 9 dollars a month like they used to for dial up. -- www.stopfcc.comI do not think the government needs to restrict free speech especially on a device that has an off knob. |
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  sturmvogel Obama '08
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| reply to NormanS said by NormanS :"Unmetered"? Or just "unlimited access". The words have different meanings (and, only apply to Road Runner, in any case). Let's turn this around. Where does it say that the connection is metered ? Nowhere, but obviously, it is. -- Treason is a matter of dates |
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  wenter99 Alpha Male Premium join:2003-12-09 Albuquerque, NM
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| said by sturmvogel :Let's turn this around. Where does it say that the connection is metered ? Nowhere, but obviously, it is. It's not metered. It's just protected against abuse, like it should be, for the benifit of the MAJORITY.. |
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  sturmvogel Obama '08
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1 edit | said by wenter99 :said by sturmvogel :Let's turn this around. Where does it say that the connection is metered ? Nowhere, but obviously, it is. It's not metered. It's just protected against abuse, like it should be, for the benifit of the MAJORITY.. It has an undisclosed number that if passed triggers a condition. If a number is significant as far as usage, then it is metered. -- Treason is a matter of dates |
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  tshirt Premium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA
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| from »www6.comcast.net/terms/use/ which is linked at the bottom of every ComCast page
"The Service is for personal and non-commercial residential use only. Therefore, Comcast reserves the right to suspend or terminate Service accounts where bandwidth consumption is not characteristic of a typical residential user of the Service as determined by the company in its sole discretion."
Sturm, as an inteligent nitpicker, I'm sure you always read and understand the fine print of any agreement you enter..........so what went wrong here? |
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  sturmvogel Obama '08
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| said by tshirt :from » www6.comcast.net/terms/use/ which is linked at the bottom of every ComCast page "The Service is for personal and non-commercial residential use only. Therefore, Comcast reserves the right to suspend or terminate Service accounts where bandwidth consumption is not characteristic of a typical residential user of the Service as determined by the company in its sole discretion." Sturm, as an inteligent nitpicker, I'm sure you always read and understand the fine print of any agreement you enter..........so what went wrong here? I never saw nor signed on that agreement. -- Treason is a matter of dates |
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  wenter99 Alpha Male Premium join:2003-12-09 Albuquerque, NM | When you accepted the service, you agreed to it, whether you decided to read it or not.... |
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  sturmvogel Obama '08
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| said by wenter99 :When you accepted the service, you agreed to it, whether you decided to read it or not.... That's right, except it was TW. -- Treason is a matter of dates |
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  tshirt Premium,MVM join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA
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| reply to sturmvogel said by sturmvogel :said by tshirt :from » www6.comcast.net/terms/use/ which is linked at the bottom of every ComCast page "The Service is for personal and non-commercial residential use only. Therefore, Comcast reserves the right to suspend or terminate Service accounts where bandwidth consumption is not characteristic of a typical residential user of the Service as determined by the company in its sole discretion." Sturm, as an inteligent nitpicker, I'm sure you always read and understand the fine print of any agreement you enter..........so what went wrong here? I never saw nor signed on that agreement. it is quite clearly referenced in the Comcast Agreement For Residential Services »www6.comcast.net/terms/subscriber/ which states
General Terms And Conditions 1. Acceptance Of This Agreement You will have accepted this Agreement and be bound by its terms if you use the Services or otherwise indicate your affirmative acceptance of such Services.
Standard boilerplate agreement terms, for any sort of service likely to be ordered by phone/over the internet, for which a physical signature is not possible/practical.
You can play dumb, but whether you choose to read it or not, such agreements are binding on the user just as a EULA is. Your only option should you not agree to the terms any anytime is cancel service. |
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  sturmvogel Obama '08
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1 edit | said by tshirt :said by sturmvogel :said by tshirt :from » www6.comcast.net/terms/use/ which is linked at the bottom of every ComCast page "The Service is for personal and non-commercial residential use only. Therefore, Comcast reserves the right to suspend or terminate Service accounts where bandwidth consumption is not characteristic of a typical residential user of the Service as determined by the company in its sole discretion." Sturm, as an inteligent nitpicker, I'm sure you always read and understand the fine print of any agreement you enter..........so what went wrong here? I never saw nor signed on that agreement. it is quite clearly referenced in the Comcast Agreement For Residential Services » www6.comcast.net/terms/subscriber/ which states General Terms And Conditions 1. Acceptance Of This Agreement You will have accepted this Agreement and be bound by its terms if you use the Services or otherwise indicate your affirmative acceptance of such Services. Standard boilerplate agreement terms, for any sort of service likely to be ordered by phone/over the internet, for which a physical signature is not possible/practical. You can play dumb, but whether you choose to read it or not, such agreements are binding on the user just as a EULA is. Your only option should you not agree to the terms any anytime is cancel service. Certainly, let's see how the lawsuits play out, shall we ? -- Treason is a matter of dates |
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  wenter99 Alpha Male Premium join:2003-12-09 Albuquerque, NM
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| said by sturmvogel :Certainly, let's see how the lawsuits play out, shall we ? Honestly, and I'm just a non-degreed GDI, I can't see how you guys could possibly win any lawsuits with the reasoning and arguments you've put forth here.
We live in a day and age when certain people put themselves above all others and above most rules, and believe in their own minds that they, somehow, exist outside the reality of the status quo.
"I want It All, I Want It All, I Want It All, and I Want It NOW!" -- "Sometimes all you can do is just hunker down and take it, like a jackass caught out in a hail storm". LBJ |
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  sturmvogel Obama '08
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1 edit | said by wenter99 :said by sturmvogel :Certainly, let's see how the lawsuits play out, shall we ? Honestly, and I'm just a non-degreed GDI, I can't see how you guys could possibly win any lawsuits with the reasoning and arguments you've put forth here. We live in a day and age when certain people put themselves above all others and above most rules, and believe in their own minds that they, somehow, exist outside the reality of the status quo. A specific management group. -- Treason is a matter of dates |
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1 edit | reply to wenter99 said by wenter99 :We live in a day and age when certain people put themselves above all others and above most rules, and believe in their own minds that they, somehow, exist outside the reality of the status quo. "I want It All, I Want It All, I Want It All, and I Want It NOW!" Oh please. Consumer rights and protections in the U.S. have been gutted since 1980, and we've reached the point where corporate despotism is not only common, it's the freaking norm! We see proof of this fact every day.
Just in the ISP industry I could spend hours recalling history: Mindspring promising their service would not deteriorate when they were bought by Earthlink (it did). Earthlink promising an "anonymous internet" (it wasn't). And on and on. One broken promise and outright lie after another. Comcast also has a well established record of lies and deceit. And when they're not busy lying, they're playing ridiculous shell games.
So spare us the sanctimonious crap about how spoiled we are. If this were 40 years ago at least a few Comcast execs would be sitting behind jailbars by now. |
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 rody_44 Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA | reply to funchords if anyone doesnt like what they deliver they are free to cancel. sure you can complain but it comes down to they are not obligated to give you what you want and you are not obligated to use the service. its as simple as that. |
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  funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC
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| said by rody_44 : if anyone doesnt like what they deliver they are free to cancel. No. "Free to cancel" means that there is an actual freedom there. For example, if I don't like the fact that ZeriTel Wireless doesn't have roll-over minutes, I'm free to choose Allzon Wireless instead.
In much of Comcast's footprint, there are no reasonably similar alternatives. Why? Because of the Brand X decision for one and the resulting misclassification of broadband as an Information Service. (Calling Comcast HSI an Information Service is about the same as calling Evian bottled water a river.)
And then there's the whole value proposition in the first place. Being "free to cancel" means being an informed consumer and you can't be an informed consumer on Comcast because the service is secretly limited, a users communications are secretly interfered with, and when you do ask the company a direct question they do not give a candid answer. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More fun, more features, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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