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July 28th, @01:22PM
| Another bandwidth limits abuse discussion
Famed blogger Dave Winer just got the Comcastic boot. It seems that Comcast has cut off the 53-year-old pioneer of RSS for the second time.
Mod Note: There is a link titled Bandwidth Limits in the forum navigation bar, linking to this information ---> »Comcast High Speed Internet »Does Comcast have bandwidth use limits?
The info there has changed since funchords  started this new bandwidth limitations topic. If you wish to discuss anything related to bandwidth limitations by Comcast, it seems this is now the place. If you can't find the thread, refer to the forum link, please. ~sorto' |
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Johkal
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clubs: | Re: WOW! Comcast cut off Dave Winer ... again
Sorry; never heard of him. I guess I need to tweak my geekness.  |
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Robb
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tshirt
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Snohomish, WA | Why did they cut him off?
If due to TOS or useage , should we believe he is due special privilages because to his age (53 isn't that old) or because he invented something? |
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sturmvogel
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Link ? I guess Comcast really, really does not care. will be interesting. |
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sturmvogel
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Nerdtalker
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Wow, his post is epic. I'm still unclear why he was taken down though. That part doesn't make sense. |
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CleanGene
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It doesn't matter why - he's a blogger, and he, y'know, invented stuff, so he gets a pass. Or something. SOP for Dave, basically. |
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sturmvogel
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Houston, TX | It is the fact that Comcast really does not differentiate at all who they disconnect. Could be a Joe Nobody, someone from Microsoft, a fairly well known blogger like Dave that made some news about it before.
They really mean it. |
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CleanGene
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| said by sturmvogel :It is the fact that Comcast really does not differentiate at all who they disconnect. Could be a Joe Nobody, someone from Microsoft, a fairly well known blogger like Dave that made some news about it before. As it should be - the decision should be driven by the technical details of the situation, rather than the personal circumstances of the individual in question. I would hope that no one would suggest or imply that AUPs are only for the "little people".
If nothing else, his response last time was tolerably amusing, carrying the usual air of "but, but...don't you know who I am?" that Winer is (rightly) rather infamous for. I expect no disappointment on that score this time either. |
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July 28th, @06:00PM
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Dave Winer coverage here and an explanation here.
Looks like he was backing up his podcasts.
Dave's the perfect example of a bleeding-edge customer -- an expert innovator trapped by lazily implemented "for the good of the majority" policies that cut people off regardless of whether any actual interference or impact on others was occurring.
The question you ought to be asking: was Dave Winer actually unreasonably impacting someone else's use of the Internet or did he just "use too much bandwidth." Because if they cannot articulate any examples of the former, and it's merely the latter, then Comcast's TOS really doesn't support his connection being cut.
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CleanGene
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July 26th, @12:37AM
| said by funchords :The question you ought to be asking: was Dave Winer actually unreasonably impacting someone else's use of the Internet or did he just "use too much bandwidth." The obvious question in response is, if he wasn't affecting other users, why would Comcast even care what he was doing, or go to the trouble of cutting him off? Is the operant theory that they hate him personally?
I think not. |
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sturmvogel
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| said by CleanGene :said by funchords :The question you ought to be asking: was Dave Winer actually unreasonably impacting someone else's use of the Internet or did he just "use too much bandwidth." The obvious question in response is, if he wasn't affecting other users, why would Comcast even care what he was doing, or go to the trouble of cutting him off? Is the operant theory that they hate him personally? I think not. Because he was using a lot of bandwidth and they do not care if he would be impacting anybody, just about the bandwidth. All of the rest of usual charges is dressing: if it is P2P must be illegal, if it is not illegal P2P then it really must be anyway or could be of could be just a honest mistake (that they would not correct), if not P2P at all, well, how could one use so much bandwidth for anything legally, after all there is NOTHING out there that could use so much bandwidth and so on.
There is always an argument, and if there is none, it is their network and they can do whatever, whenever they want with it, right ?
Funny that we cannot say the same about our money after we part with them to pay for their services in advance. |
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Rob
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Was he using a residential or business account? |
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CleanGene
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said by sturmvogel :Because he was using a lot of bandwidth and they do not care if he would be impacting anybody, just about the bandwidth. Your theory is distinctly lacking in any sort of sensible motivation on their part. Why would they care about the bandwidth, in the absence of any impact on others? Are we conserving electrons these days? |
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CleanGene
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said by Rob :Was he using a residential or business account? Residential, of course. |
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CableTool
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Sounds like someone that was using their connection for commercial purposes as opposed to residential entertainment.
He most likely could have benefited from a commercial/business account.
By Daves own lack of details, much like a few posters here, you have to assume there is more to the story. Also since this isnt the first time.. Im sure there is more.
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Rob
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said by CleanGene :said by Rob :Was he using a residential or business account? Residential, of course. It was a rhetorical question |
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CleanGene
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| said by Rob :said by CleanGene :said by Rob :Was he using a residential or business account? Residential, of course. It was a rhetorical question LOL - coffee's almost done, then I'll be up to speed, I promise |
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said by sturmvogel :It is the fact that Comcast really does not differentiate at all who they disconnect. Somehow, I don't really believe THAT. If it was a big-time politico in a position to hurt Comcast, they'd be tip-toeing around the invisible cap.
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