3 edits | Haven't you heard? In the Republican controlled Corporate States of America, two wrongs DO make a right-especially if the second wrong is being done by the haves against the have nots!!
Feudalism is alive and well in America today! |
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RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | Re: Haven't you heard? OT political said by qworster:In the Republican controlled Corporate States of America, two wrongs DO make a right-especially if the second wrong is being done by the haves against the have nots!! Feudalism is alive and well in America today! Senate 49 Dem, 49 Rep, 1 Indie, 1 Indie Dem (?).
House 236 Dem, 199 Rep
lame duck Pres that most media dislikes, 1 Rep.
It looks like the Democrats essentially control the law making and budget strings side of the US government, and if they were REALLY were against what you claim the Republicans are doing, they could stop it.
(numbers from the The Green Papers)
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | How silly...
Of course, the problem with such a simplistic analysis is that there is no such thing as party discipline in the United States, and neither party is a united front- it only takes a few dissident Democrats leaning conservative on an issue for a Republican initiative to pass.
And you can't dismiss the President as a lame duck- he controls the entire executive branch, and has to approve all laws. |
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RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | said by EPS:How silly... Of course, the problem with such a simplistic analysis is that there is no such thing as party discipline in the United States, and neither party is a united front- it only takes a few dissident Democrats leaning conservative on an issue for a Republican initiative to pass. And you can't dismiss the President as a lame duck- he controls the entire executive branch, and has to approve all laws. Oh, sorry, I did not realize people who claim to be Democrats are weaker willed than Republicans and are the only ones easily swayed to the 'dark side'.
President....approves....glad you noticed that. That is all he can do, approve or disapprove, no matter how unrelated 95% of the bill is to the title and initial bill. Again, the Legislative branch has to make it up and send it to him, he can not physically make one up and sign it. And if enough in the legislature do not like him saying no, they can override the veto and it still happens, even with the current legislative mix.
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Oh, certainly Republicans cross party lines as well... indeed, there have been several votes where party lines were essentially completely irrelevant. It just puts the lie even more to the neat and tidy "Democrat vs. Republican" image.
And I think you're ignoring the existence of "signing statements" in your description of the President's powers. |
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RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | said by EPS:Oh, certainly Republicans cross party lines as well... indeed, there have been several votes where party lines were essentially completely irrelevant. It just puts the lie even more to the neat and tidy "Democrat vs. Republican" image. And I think you're ignoring the existence of "signing statements" in your description of the President's powers. Ah, now you are saying that the majority may or may not matter. So it is not a Republican thing like you implied at first, but a shifting of loyalties to where ever the most profit lies.
Signing statements, even more off topic from "Republican controlled Corporate States of America" that started this whole thread. I hear a lot of noise over how Bush is using signing statements as a means of limiting controls on the Presidency (some I agree with some I do not, but that is normal). But despite that most of the ones publicized are military and not business related, consider this, what is the function of the third branch, the Judicial? Why has the Legislative branch not invoked that card? Could it be that in most cases the majority of both the major parties agree with the statements because of potential gains to both parties?
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