ftth_freak
join:2005-06-17 Ballwin, MO
| Re: YOUR WRONG Obviously you are technically lacking in VoIP knowledge. Cable Co's like Comcast, Time Warner, Charter, Cox and others use an entirely separate CMTS and separate return and forward signal than their cable modem system. This insures the QoS for the cable co's VoIP/phone service. For all of you P2P defenders, this mean when you are sucking up all of the upload and downoad capacity in your neighborhood with your cable modem, the VoIP/phone CMTS will not be affected. When using a third party VoIP like Vonage, Vonage piggy backs off of the same bandwidth as your cable modem and thus will be affected by the users bandwidth habits.
For instance, a user who pays for the lowest level of modem speed and uses Vonage will hear a degraded quality of voice and could also experiance dropped call if the down/up load a large file at the same time.
FYI...all things are not created equal in reality...only in your mind. | |
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  fatmanskinny Premium join:2004-01-04 Wandering | Re: YOUR WRONG That was a great post. Thanks for educating me. I sure as hell didn't know that! -- The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary. | |
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  MacLeech The one and only Premium join:2001-07-14 SoCal
2 edits | said by ftth_freak : Cable Co's like Comcast, Time Warner, Charter, Cox and others use an entirely separate CMTS and separate return and forward signal than their cable modem system. Cable co's COULD do that, but the most don't.
Most setup separate service flows over the same upstream/downstream channels the cable modems use. Phone services are given higher priority and guaranteed bandwidth so general internet use doesn't impact phone service.
If the cable companies were using separate CMTSs or even just separate upstream/downstream channels they couldn't provision eMTAs to allow for both internet access and phone service from the same unit as current DOCSIS 1 and 2 modems can't tune to more than 1 upstream and 1 downstream channel at a time.
Companies that REQUIRE seperate phone and internet modems may be using separate channels or CMTSs but that's pretty rare.
The nice thing about cable co's VOIP implementations is that they DON'T route voice traffic over the internet like 3rd party VOIP providers HAVE to. Cable can keep the traffic on their own private network (on it's own VLAN) until they hand it off to PSTN providers if needed for an off-net call. Some cable providers also have agreements and links with others so they can directly hand off traffic to each other without 3rd party network involvement. If both ends of the call are on cable VOIP, the call traffic may not even leave the cable providers' networks. -- Don't mind me, I'm just trying to help...
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  Anonymous Premium join:2004-06-01 IA | Not only it has dedicated bandwidth it's also a lot more secure.
Cable co in my area charges $29.99/mo if you bundle all three services so it's worth $5 extra just to have these benefits. | |
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 |  DonLibes Premium,ExMod 2001 join:2003-01-19
| Re: YOUR WRONG said by Anonymous :Cable co in my area charges $29.99/mo if you bundle all three services so it's worth $5 extra just to have these benefits. But what about next year when the promotion ends and they jack up the rates? | |
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 |  |   Anonymous Premium join:2004-06-01 IA | Re: YOUR WRONG I've had it for almost 3 years now. Also this is regular pricing. | |
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| Re: YOUR WRONG said by Anonymous :I've had it for almost 3 years now. Also this is regular pricing. Please identify the cable company to which you are referring, preferably with a website that posts the rates so we can all see them. | |
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1 edit | Re: YOUR WRONG said by DonLibes :said by Anonymous :I've had it for almost 3 years now. Also this is regular pricing. Please identify the cable company to which you are referring, preferably with a website that posts the rates so we can all see them. Try here: »www.mediacomcable.com/phone.html | |
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  Matt Take me down to the paradise city Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC
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| Additionally, the MSOs VoIP product never touches the internet. It flows over their own network to the facility where they have their PSTN connectivity. They can control the quality end-to-end, whereas an Indie VoIP provider is subject to the delays of the internet.
FYI, I have an Indie VoIP phone. (Nuvio nPBX w/ a Polycom 501) | |
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 |   funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC
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| Re: YOUR WRONG said by Matt :Additionally, the MSOs VoIP product never touches the internet. Except on Comcast, where it does -- albeit it never leaves Comcast's network but where it does ride on Comcast's network, that network is part of the Internet. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More fun, more features, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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| Re: YOUR WRONG said by funchords :said by Matt :Additionally, the MSOs VoIP product never touches the internet. Except on Comcast, where it does -- albeit it never leaves Comcast's network but where it does ride on Comcast's network, that network is part of the Internet. Comcast controls the QoS on "their" network. Who cares if their network is attached to the internet or not, it never leaves their backbone so no, it never traverses the internet. | |
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| Re: YOUR WRONG said by Matt :Comcast controls the QoS on "their" network. Who cares if their network is attached to the internet or not, it never leaves their backbone so no, it never traverses the internet. I didn't mince the words in that way, I said that the VOIP upstream of Comcast Digital Voice does ride on the Internet. It's not like Time Warner, which uses a dedicated chanell, Comcast uses the same uplink as HSI. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More fun, more features, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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  bsr64000
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| no youre wrong!
cable co's use the SAME frequency and cmts as cable modem. but the voice packets are prioritized over data packets.
said by ftth_freak :Obviously you are technically lacking in VoIP knowledge. Cable Co's like Comcast, Time Warner, Charter, Cox and others use an entirely separate CMTS and separate return and forward signal than their cable modem system. This insures the QoS for the cable co's VoIP/phone service. For all of you P2P defenders, this mean when you are sucking up all of the upload and downoad capacity in your neighborhood with your cable modem, the VoIP/phone CMTS will not be affected. When using a third party VoIP like Vonage, Vonage piggy backs off of the same bandwidth as your cable modem and thus will be affected by the users bandwidth habits. For instance, a user who pays for the lowest level of modem speed and uses Vonage will hear a degraded quality of voice and could also experiance dropped call if the down/up load a large file at the same time. FYI...all things are not created equal in reality...only in your mind. | |
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 |  baj475
join:2004-11-02 Chico, CA
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| Re: YOUR WRONG Network Guy,
Are you saying that a $15 price mark-up is justified because choppy calls via CLEC VoIP are rare and far between? If so, I guess that depends how choppy the alternatives are. The difference in voice quality between my previous ILEC landlines and my Magicjack and Future Nine VOIP lines is almost nil. Clearly not worth spending $15 more for a slight possible improvement. | |
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join:2000-08-25 New York | Re: YOUR WRONG You read that wrong.
I prefer the cheaper CLEC alternative both because in my experience the difference is negligible and because of price.
And I just personally prefer not to give the evil local MSO one more penny for anything. | |
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join:2004-11-02 Chico, CA | Re: YOUR WRONG Network Guy,
I wondered if I was reading it wrong.  | |
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