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 PetePumaHow many lumps do you wantPremium,MVM
join:2002-06-13
Arlington, VA | reply to Tonice2007
Re: Help! Need Ideas for Home/Office Setup... I don't agree with that. Just because the internet speeds don't approach 100mbit doesn't mean you won't want gig speeds between computers on your local network. | |
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said by PetePuma:Do you actually have 48 devices to wire up at the beginning? There's nothing that says you have to make every drop in the house live on Day 1. That's true, but working right now during the summer, and college is about to start, I can already imagine how busy college is going to be, without me getting a job working...
And the job, that I'm going to get is probally going to be full time, due to the fact that school starts about the same time as college starts, meaning that they have pleanty of work to do, since they're contractors for the BoE out here in NYC... | | |
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said by PetePuma:I don't agree with that. Just because the internet speeds don't approach 100mbit doesn't mean you won't want gig speeds between computers on your local network. Well, true again, I don't want to waste anymore time, looking for switches/routers if I don't need to, since I already got one off eBay, when I started planning this project...
That's why I wanted to get all the stuff, first before I start dropping wires, since my father can do all that and more (ex-electrician) but no one else, could understand the rest of the "project"... | |
 tschmidtPremium,MVM
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Why so many ports at each location?
Standard residential cabling practice is two drops. If you need more you can always add a switch in the room. Cat 5e is rated for Gig so unless you think you will need more bandwidth that is an option. That was your original question how best to design the wiring infrastructure.
48 ports is a standard size switch. If you go with a 48-port switch just don't connect one of the jacks to the switch. It is unlikely all 48 will be in active use.
In my opinion over time Wireless will get faster and more reliable reducing need for wired connections.
Regardless of how many drops you install over time you will need more in places you did not anticipate. Plan for expandability by installing empty conduits between wiring closet and strategic location to make upgrading the system easier. The life expectancy of residential construction is long compared to changes in technology.
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1 edit | said by tschmidt:Why so many ports at each location? Standard residential cabling practice is two drops. If you need more you can always add a switch in the room. Cat 5e is rated for Gig so unless you think you will need more bandwidth that is an option. That was your original question how best to design the wiring infrastructure. 48 ports is a standard size switch. If you go with a 48-port switch just don't connect one of the jacks to the switch. It is unlikely all 48 will be in active use. In my opinion over time Wireless will get faster and more reliable reducing need for wired connections. Regardless of how many drops you install over time you will need more in places you did not anticipate. Plan for expandability by installing empty conduits between wiring closet and strategic location to make upgrading the system easier. The life expectancy of residential construction is long compared to changes in technology. /tom How do you know it's two ports per drop standard, you must have done some "Commercial" wiring...:lol:
Well, to the best of my knowledge I don't think I would use more then 48 ports, I only have like 4 desktops and 3 laptops, about to get like 2 more desktops and another laptop, so that's would be a total of 6 desktops and 4 laptops, and with desktops you don't move it around much so I'm not worried there; only part I'm worried about is the laptops, since it's designed to be moved around, and I can't use wireless, since that what you have to deal with, when you have paranoid parents...
And the comment about the 48 port switch, yes it's not likely or going to be possible for all ports to be in use, but, where the drop/wiring is going to be connected to the switches and the other nice equipment, or the "server" room, or whatever they call it out in the real world, some companies that I have worked for called it their network closet, their Server room, etc, it means the same thing; it's not to convient to reach, it's in the attic for easy wiring (elsewise I have to wire from the basement, which would be a nightmare itself) and the electrical "system" is already there, all I need to do, or I should say my father is to open up a box and there you have you power...
Therefore, I don't really like go to the "networking" closet, it's too small and cramped... | |
ChiTangPremium,MVM
join:2002-08-23
Alhambra, CA
kudos:1 | Something does not make sense here. I am trying to summarise your posts.
Went through Cisco training and did not want to be certified.
Modem is Westell W327 wireless (residential gear). 48+ ports needed, specifically no uplink port even though term "uplink" died in the last century, 4 ports in each room, 6 in the attic, a few in the basement. It is college enviroment. need to get it working before school start, for a job that you are going to get, you are looking for equippment from eBAY.
I speculate that your father owns a few apartments and want to rent them to college students.
I am not trying to question your knowledge, your questions are not typical to someone who knows.
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1 edit | said by ChiTang:Something does not make sense here. I am trying to summarise your posts. Went through Cisco training and did not want to be certified. Modem is Westell W327 wireless (residential gear). 48+ ports needed, specifically no uplink port even though term "uplink" died in the last century, 4 ports in each room, 6 in the attic, a few in the basement. It is college enviroment. need to get it working before school start, for a job that you are going to get, you are looking for equippment from eBAY. I speculate that your father owns a few apartments and want to rent them to college students. I am not trying to question your knowledge, your questions are not typical to someone who knows. I want to do all of this before, school starts, and as I have said the company that I'm "working" for is a contractor for the Department of Education, install the nice computers in the schools.
During that time I will also have to go back to college to finish, my credentials for my degree in Liberal Arts.
I did learn CCNA/CCNP, but that teaches you how to use and configure Cisco switches/routers, from what I remember; it doesn't talk about anything that I'm looking for that would be more of SMB which is another certification that Cisco provides, which I was trainning for through a company that I was working for, which I'm not anymore...
So, I wanted (note the past tense) a Cisco switch that had 24/48 ports that was a 1Gpbs switch...
No, it's my own house, that I'm living in, and my parents are very paranoid about security, so they don't "allow" wireless to be turned on, and I have like 3 laptops and about to get another one, so, I/we move around the house with the laptops, therefore, that's why I need so many ports...also, for expandability.
I believe that I do have a Cisco router I believe it's a 2000 series one, if that "makes" it a router, which a friend got from his company, when it was going "bankrupt"... | |
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So, from the comment's that I have received so, far, I'm just going to use the current Linksys 10/100Mbps switch that I got off eBay, probably get another one, so that I have 48 ports in total.
And the router, I'm going to get a "cheap" one, that supports QoS, DNS, DDoS, etc, and that is 1Gbps with at least 5 ports.
What do you guys think there? | |
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| There is no need for a gig router, waste of money as you internet speed will not be over 100mbit in a long time.
A decent router and a gig switch will be all you need. You can get a small gig switch and run the 10/100 off it for slower devices. | |
| shdesigns, excellent advice as reiterated by others as well, main router, just grab a 100mbps good wireless (to support wireless in the event you want it, my own security quams myself I still use the wireless regardless) and then a decent gbit switch. I went cheap and got a 8 port linksys gbit switch for the new house and am more than happy whle streaming 1080p content over the 4 various rooms that accept it via the media server. Biggest key is making sure the wiring is done correctly.
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 DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium
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Greenville, SC
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Re: Help! Need Ideas for Home/Office Setup... Your parents are ignorent if they think having the wireless turned on will make your network less secure. Any wireless AP with a really strong passphrase WILL stop any intruder from getting in. The chances of someone wanting "in" your network that bad to actually try and hack the password are in like 1 in 100000000000000000000000000000. You need to educate your parents a little.
I hack wireless networks all the time, and if I cant crack a WPA password within a few hours, I give up on that Ap. No hacker is going to have a password like "S3cuR3d@#@..'N3Tw0Rk1998-2997" in their dic. | |
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| said by DaMaGeINC:Your parents are ignorent if they think having the wireless turned on will make your network less secure. Any wireless AP with a really strong passphrase WILL stop any intruder from getting in. The chances of someone wanting "in" your network that bad to actually try and hack the password are in like 1 in 100000000000000000000000000000. You need to educate your parents a little. I hack wireless networks all the time, and if I cant crack a WPA password within a few hours, I give up on that Ap. No hacker is going to have a password like "S3cuR3d@#@..'N3Tw0Rk1998-2997" in their dic. I already told my father, that, but he still doesn't want to believe me, so...What can I say?
If, he did, I (we) wouldn't have to "waste" about 1,000-2,000USD including labor, on this "project", we could of just used wireless and be done with it... | |
 AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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Dartmouth, NS
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1 edit | reply to Tonice2007
Hi Tonice,
The easy solution is to get something like the zyxel ZyWALL 2Plus. Its a wired only router which will appease the angry anti-wifi gods. It is a firewall vpn router which provides, besides the standard private lan, two other dhcp serving firewalled zones. You can easily setup the default packet flows between the zones and the internet (wan) as well.
Thus, you can place a cheapo wifi device (zyxel p330W) on one of the zone segments (and out of view if it avoids stress) and your family can rest assured that that zone does not access either the LAN (if thats what they get) or the other zone but can access the internet. To clarify, you also need to identify which of the four LAN ports are assigned to which zone and this may entail some extra switches/connections.
In this manner you can provide a WIFI FREE segment for the folks to use (zone 1) and you have the standard LAN and another zone for your uses (perhaps zone 2 is for guest usage??)
Anyway just a thought, as this seems to be more difficult than necessary.
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