Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX | reply to KCP
Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves!
I was just joking. hence the "Lol" at the end of it. |
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KCP
join:2008-06-21
Pearl River, LA
| said by Jakiel00  :I was just joking. hence the "Lol" at the end of it. Wow....seems people are taking you a LITTLE too seriously recently. "Lol" |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX | I am hardcore....hardcore noobish. |
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JSY
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join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY
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1 edit | reply to Jakiel00
said by Jakiel00 My job during the raid is to HEAL people right? So wouldn't I heal someone through that so they can kill the target faster? don't make any sense that people would just let them go.
I don't know if I agree with that. I think your job is to keep the raid alive - and that doesn't not necessarily mean that you would make the top DPSers your priority. It makes sense for me that you would make sure that the people you want to be sure to come before anything else are the ones that will give you the best chance of raid survival... a.k.a. the MT.
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AB_Lazy
@dslextreme.com
| reply to saillaw
I'm reminded of this addage I head a while ago:
If the Tank dies, it's the Healer's fault.
If the Healer dies, it's the Tank's fault.
If the DPS dies, it's their own damn fault.
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
| reply to JSY
said by JSY :said by Jakiel00 My job during the raid is to HEAL people right? So wouldn't I heal someone through that so they can kill the target faster? don't make any sense that people would just let them go.
I don't know if I agree with that. I think your job is to keep the raid alive - and that doesn't not necessarily mean that you would make the top DPSers your priority. It makes sense for me that you would make sure that the people you want to be sure to come before anything else are the ones that will give you the best chance of raid survival... a.k.a. the MT. Edit: formatting error I seriously didn't know my quotes would be dissected like this. When I stated that, I was talking about when locks are lifetapping. A couple guys who play healers said that they wouldn't heal someone through that. That is the reason for my rant. Why wouldn't you heal someone through that? You would want to keep them up. Yes Yes Yes I know that my top priority would be the tank, but what if I was on raid heals? I would keep that guy up through the life tapping. If I was on MT heals, then it would be up to the raid heals to keep him up which I would expect that person to do.
If you are in a party (5 man group), then you are right my first priorty is the tank.
Again, my main reason for my post was because someone wouldn't heal a lock through the life tap. If I was on raid heals, I would heal them through that to DPS the target down.
I know I keep on bringing up TK, but there are a couple of pulls in Void Reavers room that require 2 locks to banish 2 targets. Lets say for instance I am on raid heals and the Lock would have to life tap. You better believe I would keep that lock up so he could banish his target. It would make it easier on the raid to CC those demons. They can really wipe through clothies.
BTW: I am glad we finally have a ranting thread about healing. Its always something like DPS specs or Daggers vs. Swords. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
| reply to AB_Lazy
said by AB_Lazy :I'm reminded of this addage I head a while ago: If the Tank dies, it's the Healer's fault. If the Healer dies, it's the Tank's fault. If the DPS dies, it's their own damn fault. HAHAH! AB that is hilarious  Trademark that |
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GemSnake
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3rd layer
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XII. KNOW THY GROUP FUNCTION; THY DPS SHALT AVOID AGGRO, THY TANK SHALT NOT ATTEMPT TO DPS, THY MAGE SHALT NOT FORGET MANA POTIONS, AND THY HEALER SHALT NOT GO AFK WITHOUT NOTIFYING THY GROUP.
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Dissembled
join:2008-01-23
Indianapolis, IN | reply to saillaw
Is my job to heal or make sure people don't die? One in the same you say?
Lock lifetaps.
I don't heal.
Lock runs out of mana.
Lock can't DPS
Lock can't get aggro anymore.
Lock doesn't die.
See, I did my job. |
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thrillhaus
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join:2003-12-26
Tucson, AZ
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| said by Dissembled :Is my job to heal or make sure people don't die? One in the same you say? Lock lifetaps. I don't heal. Lock runs out of mana. Lock can't DPS Lock can't get aggro anymore. Lock doesn't die. See, I did my job. Oh wait, you just died to enrage. Better luck next time! |
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Graytooth13
join:2008-07-28
Tomball, TX
| reply to AB_Lazy
said by AB_Lazy :I'm reminded of this addage I head a while ago: If the Tank dies, it's the Healer's fault. If the Healer dies, it's the Tank's fault. If the DPS dies, it's their own damn fault. /agree |
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thrillhaus
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join:2003-12-26
Tucson, AZ
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1 edit | So let me ask this question to those of you who don't think healing the lifetapping lock is a good idea.
What content are you currently raiding?
edit -- replied to wrong post |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
1 edit | prolly not high endgame content...
Edit: VC maybe? |
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ErikVKing
Erik the Viking
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join:2008-06-19
Davenport, IA
·Mediacom
| reply to saillaw
To anyone not getting the PvP gear vs. PvE gear rant I have: It's not the length of time it would (or could at least) take to get. My rant is that you can do it **S O L O**! You queue for AB, by yourself, let's see you "queue" for ANY raid by yourself. Even if you are the piece of sh*t that goes afk for an entire raid (yes, it happens, some raid leaders don't pay enough attention...) - you still have to have at least 9 other people in there with you.
In a BG, with the new (or fairly new) debuff of not getting honor or tokens unless you do some healing and/or damage, it makes it harder for someone to completely AFK (unless they have a bot running - and I'll get to that in a sec). Hell if it's a decent bot program you might even benefit from it being in there with you. No I'm not saying I approve of bot programs, but hell at least those pixels are doing something other than taking up space when run by a bot.
I suppose you could even bot a raid, idunno.
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ErikVKing
Erik the Viking
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join:2008-06-19
Davenport, IA
·Mediacom
| TO any lock crying that they are not getting heals, QQ QQ QQ. I know plently of people that play locks in high-end content, and their biggest bitch during raids...? The stupid healer that keeps healing them after they asked them not to waste their mana. Heal the Hunter if he's done all he could to acoid aggro and has FD'ed/bandaged, etc. Heal the melee DPS that is getting hit by auras, AOE, etc. that can only do so much to keep themselves up. Don't heal the 'lock that can heal themselves AND do damage in the process! |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
| reply to ErikVKing
said by ErikVKing :To anyone not getting the PvP gear vs. PvE gear rant I have: It's not the length of time it would (or could at least) take to get. My rant is that you can do it **S O L O**! You queue for AB, by yourself, let's see you "queue" for ANY raid by yourself. Even if you are the piece of sh*t that goes afk for an entire raid (yes, it happens, some raid leaders don't pay enough attention...) - you still have to have at least 9 other people in there with you. In a BG, with the new (or fairly new) debuff of not getting honor or tokens unless you do some healing and/or damage, it makes it harder for someone to completely AFK (unless they have a bot running - and I'll get to that in a sec). Hell if it's a decent bot program you might even benefit from it being in there with you. No I'm not saying I approve of bot programs, but hell at least those pixels are doing something other than taking up space when run by a bot. I suppose you could even bot a raid, idunno. Are you saying you would raid with PVP gear on? Sorry I might have missed it from a previous posting. I raid with a couple pieces of PVP gear, but about 90% of my gear is raid based. |
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ErikVKing
Erik the Viking
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join:2008-06-19
Davenport, IA
·Mediacom
| Yeah, I'd raid with PvP gears if I got them to upgrade something that needed upgrading while going after other pieces. Any raiding guild worth their salt would take the guy that tries to upgrade outside of raid time to help the raid over the guy that expects everything to be upgraded solely in raids.
I'd rather have the guy that went BGing and got his S2 MH over the guy that is still raiding in a blue piece of much lesser quality. He's going to help the raid more if he adds that little DPS to the raid.
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MaybeTrouble
join:2008-05-09
Anchorage, AK
3 edits | reply to saillaw
Absolutely, that has always been the policy of any guild I've been in. You're expected to roll/dkp on PvE gear as it drops to replace PvP gear, but having PvE gear just because it's PvE gear doesn't make sense. Not if the S2 or whatever item has better PvE stats, which in same cases it does.
We had several hunters that used S3 helms and boots because the stats on these were better than anything that dropped in the raids we were doing. Sure they also had resilience, and a T6 or even T5 equivalent would be better, but only 3 people get to take a tier token home and for some reason our guild always got warrior/priest/drood tier tokens in SSC and TK.
Hunter/Lock/Mage got the luck with T4, and we assumed T6 would go mostly to the social misfits.. rogue/shammy/pally or whatever. Weird how things work out sometimes.
(never sure of my tier token groups, i just concentrate on whether it has my class in the name).
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
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join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY
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Don't heal the 'lock that can heal themselves AND do damage in the process!
You can't be serious.
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MaybeTrouble
join:2008-05-09
Anchorage, AK
| reply to saillaw
IF a lock thinks he needs healing, tell him to use all those fears he has. They're pretty much asking for it after all the crap they give us in Arena. Not my problem lock, die like the dog you are.
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