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nasadude
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1 edit | Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells regardless of which "side" one is on, the fact seems to remain that the simplest way to solve bandwidth problems (if there really are bandwidth problems) is TO ADD MORE BANDWIDTH.
but that's not sexy
and it cost money
and when you buy the DPI equipment, it lets you do all sorts of other stuff!
oh, by the way, McDowell is either ignorant of the facts or he chose to misrepresent what was actually found by Robb and the AP, because his description of what happened appears to be straight from Comcast press releases (I know, what a shock). | |
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| Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells I, for one, would gladly download terabytes a month if my ISP allowed it. Do I need all that stuff? Not really. But if the bandwidth's there, I'll certainly use it. And so would many others as well.
Yes, capacity has got to increase, and that's why companies are investing in things like laying fiber, pair-bonding POTS lines, hybrid fiber-coax, DOCSIS 3.0, VDSL2, and the like.
Ultimately, though, there will ALWAYS be finite bandwidth and infinite demand for bandwidth. If you build it, they will come. That's why it's so important to manage a scarce resource in a manner that suits those who use the resource.
Is Sandvine the best way to manage a network? Probably not. But it's not entirely clear that "peak metering" is the best way, either -- after all, only 6% of Comcast's users were P2P users, and it's possible that far more users will be affected by the new metering system Comcast will soon implement.
Politicians should not be the ones who decide how ISPs deal with congestion. Competition among providers to give consumers the best possible service will benefit all of us in the long run. The fact that sometimes, some companies will make mistakes (i.e. Sandvine) is not a valid reason for abandoning the principles of freedom and private network ownership. | |
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| Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells said by jaminus  :Politicians should not be the ones who decide how ISPs deal with congestion. Competition among providers to give consumers the best possible service will benefit all of us in the long run. Agreed, but politicians, unfortunately, are the only ones who ultimately make the decisions when it comes to the very competition that you refer to. | |
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| All we need is FIBER. Copper is obsolete and wireless is "stupid" until we can really reform the FCC and open the spectrum properly.
FIBER is the way to go. if 10 gbps adapters are commodified by the time you deploy, then you'll start offering your users 10 gigabit connections. Otherwise you'll have to do with a paltry ONE GIGABIT per second - aw darn.
WE (the citizens) build it - WE (the citizens hiring locally) run it - and that will be the future to live in.
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| said by nasadude :and when you buy the DPI equipment, it lets you do all sorts of other stuff! I think it was Bob Briscoe who said at the IETF P2P Working Group that for every $1 dollar spent on DPI the ISP saved $10 in infrastructure increases.
I guess that's good, if the only thing you worry about is controlling your costs. It doesn't say anything for the fact that the other $9 is "access denied" to the applications, destinations, and content that the users want.
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| Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells said by funchords :It doesn't say anything for the fact that the other $9 is "access denied" to the applications, destinations, and content that the users want. Rewrite:
It doesn't say anything for the fact that the other $9 is "access denied" to the applications, destinations, and content that the users music & movie thieves want.
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| | | nasadude
join:2001-10-05
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| Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells said by TKJunkMail :.. and content that the users music & movie thieves want. TK, you are so predictable.
copyright infringement isn't theft, so they can't be thieves. Sometimes I think you're a caricature of a real person. | |
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| Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells said by nasadude :said by TKJunkMail :.. and content that the users music & movie thieves want. Sometimes I think you're a caricature of a real person. A recent photo:
TK Junk Mail at home :)
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| Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells said by Jovi :Can we ever have a debate about bandwidth that does not involve being thieves?  Not as long as TK is still allowed to post. | |
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| Probably not. Since thievery seems to be one of the talking points some need to use to justify corporate decisions that would otherwise be difficult to justify to paying customers.
It's easier to claim high-bandwidth users must be doing something wrong--and thus additional bandwidth is only going to support unethical or illegal activities--than actually debating the merits of legitimate use and what alternatives there are to the ISPs to handle those higher bandwidth (LEGITIMATE) applications.
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| The complaints about VPN or SSH being broken by DPI shoot a whole in your argument that DPI only affects "music & movie thieves".
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| Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells said by espaeth :Case in point: name all of the full DOCSIS 3.0 (ie, not pre-cert) cable modems that are currently being mass produced today. Or 802.11N wi-fi gear (not DRAFT)
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Washington, DC | Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells holy crap!
So what's the bet, that they're not really going to do upstream channel bonding RSN? | |
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