Topic 'Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862037 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:14:17 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:14:17 EDT Re: Wall St Journal has the right take on the controversy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wall-St-Journal-has-the-right-take-on-the-controversy-20873748 said by ThrowDemsOut:

And because not everyone can read WSJ columns, I have attached the full article here:
No irony whatsoever in that post!!

TK Junk Mail posts an unlicensed PDF copy of a WSJ article!

:) :D :o ;) :p

PS to all: If you search for the article via Google News, you can read the full article legally.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wall-St-Journal-has-the-right-take-on-the-controversy-20873748 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:42:03 EDT Wall St Journal has the right take on the controversy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Wall-St-Journal-has-the-right-take-on-the-controversy-20873008
»online.wsj.com/article/SB1217375···145.html

And because not everyone can read WSJ columns, I have attached the full article here:
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FIBER is the way to go. if 10 gbps adapters are commodified by the time you deploy, then you'll start offering your users 10 gigabit connections. Otherwise you'll have to do with a paltry ONE GIGABIT per second - aw darn.

WE (the citizens) build it - WE (the citizens hiring locally) run it - and that will be the future to live in.

See »communityfiber.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20867791 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:24:38 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20865669
It's easier to claim high-bandwidth users must be doing something wrong--and thus additional bandwidth is only going to support unethical or illegal activities--than actually debating the merits of legitimate use and what alternatives there are to the ISPs to handle those higher bandwidth (LEGITIMATE) applications.
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Can we ever have a debate about bandwidth that does not involve being thieves? :hmm:
Not as long as TK is still allowed to post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20864999 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:40:48 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20864682 said by funchords:

So what's the bet, that they're not really going to do upstream channel bonding RSN?They're certainly getting closer. If you look at the certification results here there were a bunch of CPE models that received D3.0 full certification in May & June. With any luck those should start turning into assembly line production runs soon.

The big issue right now is there is only one CMTS that has full D3 certification with upstream bonding support, and that's from Casa Systems. Unfortunately Cisco and Motorola seem to dominate the US cable modem head-end market...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20864682 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:06:37 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20864652
So what's the bet, that they're not really going to do upstream channel bonding RSN?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20864652 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:30:50 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20864634 said by funchords:

said by espaeth:

Case in point: name all of the full DOCSIS 3.0 (ie, not pre-cert) cable modems that are currently being mass produced today.
Or 802.11N wi-fi gear (not DRAFT)That's not quite the same argument. The 11N standard is baked out enough that equipment will, in all probability, be firmware upgradeable to the final standard. The worst case scenario is that you end up just like the Cisco customers who bought power over Ethernet hardware before the 802.3af standard was ratified -- you can still use the hardware, but you won't be able to purchase any new devices to attach to it. Considering 11N draft APs are going for sub-$100 and NICs are dirt cheap, the hardship is also minimal.

Right now the DOCSIS 3.0 trial hardware is spendy because it's being produced in limited production runs, and modems like the DPC2505 that Comcast is using here in MN only have multiple downstream tuners combined with a single upstream tuner. Once upstream channel bonding is fully adopted and product actually starts rolling off assembly lines, the DPC2505 will simply be a $600 piece of dumpster fodder. Not exactly the kind of hardware you want to start rolling en-mass.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20864634 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:08:46 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20864545 said by espaeth:

Case in point: name all of the full DOCSIS 3.0 (ie, not pre-cert) cable modems that are currently being mass produced today.
Or 802.11N wi-fi gear (not DRAFT)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20864545 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:20:19 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862896 said by nasadude:

said by ThrowDemsOut:

.. and content that the users music & movie thieves want.
Sometimes I think you're a caricature of a real person.
A recent photo:
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862896 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:11:56 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862647 --
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Eleven years of carrying The Clue Bat...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862647 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:23:36 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862557 said by nasadude:

regardless of which "side" one is on, the fact seems to remain that the simplest way to solve bandwidth problems (if there really are bandwidth problems) is TO ADD MORE BANDWIDTH.That's like saying the solution to your debt problem is to acquire more money. Although technically correct, it ignores the constraints of reality that would stop you from doing so.

Case in point: name all of the full DOCSIS 3.0 (ie, not pre-cert) cable modems that are currently being mass produced today.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862557 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:04:38 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862391 said by jaminus:

Politicians should not be the ones who decide how ISPs deal with congestion. Competition among providers to give consumers the best possible service will benefit all of us in the long run.
Agreed, but politicians, unfortunately, are the only ones who ultimately make the decisions when it comes to the very competition that you refer to. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862391 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:30:50 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862379 --
"Where's my coffee? Oh. I guess it's my turn to make it." :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862379 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:27:26 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862362 said by ThrowDemsOut:

.. and content that the users music & movie thieves want.
TK, you are so predictable.

copyright infringement isn't theft, so they can't be thieves. Sometimes I think you're a caricature of a real person.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862362 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:23:39 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862292 said by funchords:

It doesn't say anything for the fact that the other $9 is "access denied" to the applications, destinations, and content that the users want.
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It doesn't say anything for the fact that the other $9 is "access denied" to the applications, destinations, and content that the users music & movie thieves want.
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and when you buy the DPI equipment, it lets you do all sorts of other stuff!
I think it was Bob Briscoe who said at the IETF P2P Working Group that for every $1 dollar spent on DPI the ISP saved $10 in infrastructure increases.

I guess that's good, if the only thing you worry about is controlling your costs. It doesn't say anything for the fact that the other $9 is "access denied" to the applications, destinations, and content that the users want.
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It is too bad Congress has not had the will to develop a set of Network Neutrality guidelines. Social policy ought to be made by government and then private enterprise figures out how to play profitably in that arena.

Internet access will become more important over time. The rules governing access should be debated publicly. From past experience regulations that were often not in the best interest of short term profitability have turned out to be very positive for long term growth because they facilitate innovation whereas it is in a company's best interest to stifle competitive upstarts.

/tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862277 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:01:38 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862231
Yes, capacity has got to increase, and that's why companies are investing in things like laying fiber, pair-bonding POTS lines, hybrid fiber-coax, DOCSIS 3.0, VDSL2, and the like.

Ultimately, though, there will ALWAYS be finite bandwidth and infinite demand for bandwidth. If you build it, they will come. That's why it's so important to manage a scarce resource in a manner that suits those who use the resource.

Is Sandvine the best way to manage a network? Probably not. But it's not entirely clear that "peak metering" is the best way, either -- after all, only 6% of Comcast's users were P2P users, and it's possible that far more users will be affected by the new metering system Comcast will soon implement.

Politicians should not be the ones who decide how ISPs deal with congestion. Competition among providers to give consumers the best possible service will benefit all of us in the long run. The fact that sometimes, some companies will make mistakes (i.e. Sandvine) is not a valid reason for abandoning the principles of freedom and private network ownership.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862231 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:48:56 EDT Re: A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862145
but that's not sexy

and it cost money

and when you buy the DPI equipment, it lets you do all sorts of other stuff!

oh, by the way, McDowell is either ignorant of the facts or he chose to misrepresent what was actually found by Robb and the AP, because his description of what happened appears to be straight from Comcast press releases (I know, what a shock).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862145 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:30:16 EDT A supporting commentary to McDowells http://www.dslreports.com/forum/A-supporting-commentary-to-McDowells-20862037
»news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10000···1_3-0-20

A good writeup over the limits of the FCC and the total hypocrisy of the groups claiming the FCC principles have the power of law. And their flip flop on their support of FCC powers.

And the commentator is not some anti-technologist. He has been involved with and writing about technology for years.
»www.mccullagh.org/declan/
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