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Mount Airy, MD | Save Taxpayers From Government Add this to the list of government-run Internet failures. But that's OK, as taxpayers have unlimited funds to cover the costs of these things.
I really hope that Utah and other states learn from these costly mistakes and ban local governments from even contemplating providing luxuries such as Internet service.
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kudos:1 | Utopia is a solid project and if they are experiencing a few hiccups on the uptake then its no different than any private business venture. They will sort it out and get it flying I'm sure. |
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Saint Louis, MO
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said by pnh102:Add this to the list of government-run Internet failures. But that's OK, as taxpayers have unlimited funds to cover the costs of these things. I really hope that Utah and other states learn from these costly mistakes and ban local governments from even contemplating providing luxuries such as Internet service. Of course, you ignore the lengthy list of government-run internet successes.... (more then 80 just in the state of Iowa).
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Obviously, you couldn't even prove your case in the last thread, so now you move on to another. Well, I am going to guess your Republican friends are the STAR ROLE of government?
Ted Stevens 200 million dollar bridge to no where anyone?
Bush's record 500 billion deficit for 2008?
Bush's 5.5 Trillion deficit in his 8 years in office?
Regan creating the FIRST even national Deficit and Bush Sr racking it up?
How about the fact we fund Businesses like o.. Fannie Mae, Bear Stearn, etc from collapsing?
Seems to me our government bankrolls everyone for anything. Someone ALWAYS has to pay the bills. Waste is waste, and at least the citizens of Utah got something for their money. The network is solid, the people running it are not. Therefore, like any good company, you stick new ones in charge. That doesn't make it a bad company, it just means its been poorly run. I am sure the right people can turn this around. Then, the citizens of Utah will at least see something for their tax money. This sure beats the hell out of 95 percent of what we give to our government. Both sides waste. Republicans spend and borrow, there by, raising inflation and all other costs. Democrats tax. When you break it down, the numbers always keep adding up. So I take pride in the few projects that are meant to help people. |
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Lake Zurich, IL | reply to pnh102
If a government project fails, naturally it's the fault of a big bad corporation. |
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| Naturally, it becomes the government's problem to bail out every corporation. At least in this circumstance, it was intended to HELP citizens (rarity) versus shaft us with the bill for someone's bad choices. IE Fannie Mae, Bear, Stearn, etc. |
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said by jester121:If a government project fails, naturally it's the fault of a big bad corporation. Usually, and their lobbyists. |
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said by jc100:Well, I am going to guess your Republican friends are the STAR ROLE of government? Regan creating the FIRST even national Deficit and Bush Sr racking it up? How about the fact we fund Businesses like o.. Fannie Mae, Bear Stearn, etc from collapsing? Check your facts and your history, please.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are government entities, created by Democrats.
"Regan" did not start deficit spending. FDR did.
And all administrations thereafter engaged in it.
Thanks to SPENDING CAPS and HW's tax increase, Bill Clinton did show a modest surplus initially. His budgets were much smaller than he wanted.
Neither party has a good record on fiscal discipline. One is just better at tugging on class-warfare heartstrings.
Don't you think YOU know better how to spend your money than Ted Stevens? Why then, would you support the government stealing more from the rest of us? |
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said by jester121:If a government project fails, naturally it's the fault of a big bad corporation. In this case, it's 100% true. I sold door to door for Comcast who had just taken over ATTBI in the SLC area when Utopia was in its infancy. Comcast definitely had a hardon for Provo, the promos we had to offer new data subs were insane, much much better than what they were offering in Denver. It was pretty obvious that this was specifically to get as many subs as possible on 6 month free data packages while Utopia was rolling out. I made some $, but probably helped to kill Utopia. Sorry.
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marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
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said by CaTeaParty :
Check your facts and your history, please.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are government entities, created by Democrats.
Both have been private companies since 1968.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to PhoenixDown
said by PhoenixDown:Utopia is a solid project and if they are experiencing a few hiccups on the uptake then its no different than any private business venture. Except for the fact that private citizens are expected to foot the bill for these hiccups. At least when a private company screws up customers are free to bail.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to marigolds
said by marigolds:Of course, you ignore the lengthy list of government-run internet successes.... (more then 80 just in the state of Iowa). I'm surprised those have not been advertised here. The problem is that even when it does work, most of the time governments are either using tax money or are siphoning funds from some other municipally run service to subsidize the project. These things don't pay for themselves. People who have no use for broadband should not be expected to pay the costs for those who do, and on top of that, government should not be in the business of providing luxury services when there are plenty of other things that government needs to take care of that are more important instead.
I'd rather my tax money go to pay for schools, roads, police, fire, paramedics and other vital services before it goes for paying for luxury services like broadband and cable TV.
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| said by pnh102:These things don't pay for themselves. Somebody forgot to tell VZ and Comcast. 
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Mount Airy, MD | said by bent:Somebody forgot to tell VZ and Comcast. Well, there's a reason such companies avoid these areas.
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2 edits | Read my post above.. doesn't sound much like Comcast was ignoring these areas. In fact, it sounds like the opposite was happening. Incumbent providers will do almost anything it takes to maintain their -opoly, short of actually competing in a free market. I guess PACs aren't the only thing politicians and communications companies have in common.
To quibble about the minuscule portion of government funds that actually go into these projects is like complaining about spit in the ocean.
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Citizens are free to bail. Don't want to be on the hook? Move. You don't have a right to live anywhere you want and get the government you want in spite of what a majority of your fellow citizens may want. |
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A) You are WRONG on Fannie Mae. It's a private company. CHECK YOUR FACTS. Therefore, WHY SHOULD TAX PAYERS BAIL THEM OUT!
In 1968, to remove the activity of Fannie Mae from the annual balance sheet of the federal budget, it was converted into a private corporation.
B) Regan WAS THE FIRST president to stick us in a TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT. This was then outdone by Bush Sr and now Bush Jr who has spent 5.5 Trillion. You know something, THEY BORROW to pay their bills which
- Raises Inflation (hurts working class)
- Makes Prices go up as currency is worth less (as we see now)
-Puts us in debt to "enemy" nations
So while Democrats Tax, Republican BORROW and hurt those same working class. Do you not recall RECORD inflation right now or the U.S. dollar being at it's LOWEST POINT EVER. Thanks bush to spending 5.5 trillion that you borrowed. As per deficit, Bush spent 500 billion this year we didn't have, way to go. Both are idiots No one represents the working class. That's a farse and you know it. |
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Actually don't blame FDR. You need to do a little reading on Hoover. |
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| Although he did try to pay for it (vastly increasing taxes). You should see all the things he did and tried to do. He even tried to get a $50/month pension for Americans over 65. Hmm sounds like Social Security to me. |
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marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
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Saint Louis, MO
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said by pnh102:said by marigolds:Of course, you ignore the lengthy list of government-run internet successes.... (more then 80 just in the state of Iowa). I'm surprised those have not been advertised here. The problem is that even when it does work, most of the time governments are either using tax money or are siphoning funds from some other municipally run service to subsidize the project. These things don't pay for themselves. Iowa forbids the expenditure of tax money on utilities.
The funds come from other government run utilities (almost always electric or phone, occasionally gas and water).
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