markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
 ·Charter Pipeline
| reply to baineschile
Re: CAPs
said by baineschile  :you are correct, 5gb is low for a limit. but remember, only 65% of the country uses broadband connections at home, and of that, 95% use less than 2 gigs per month (per pc mag). we here, are the heavy users that use the internet to its full extent. MOST people still watch video on tv, and MOST people only use the internet for light browsing and email. Those stats are COMPLETELY WRONG. The FCC mandated survey was held in 2001..thats right. SEVEN YEARS AGO. It has was flawed even then, they did not take in account hundreds of factors to. It was a joke. Like most of the FCC.
Fact of the matter is, 5gig cap is pathetic, a good ISP should not have to offer caps AT ALL. (Thank you Charter).
Caps are now, and always will be, an excuse for ISPs to not invest in infrastructure.
Surfing the web today, JUST THE WEB. Watching embedded videos, sound, etc. i used 1.7GIGS. Websites today are not like in the 1990s, its not uncommon to see websites over a meg in size now, flash based ones even more. |
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dlconkey
join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs:
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Oops, that post got flagged...  and I see why, but was accepted.. Thanks mods! and hope I didn't offend anyone. (I doubt I did, but this system errs on the side of "cautious" for any post.... Can't blame DSLR. I'm just glad the mods are always there and again....
Thanks mod(s)! for getting this cleared so fast! I behave myself! (well most of the time.. ask 'lil...
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dlconkey
join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs: | reply to RainWind
... You're not a power user. At all. My grandmother uses more bandwidth than you do.
How true!
LMAO!
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dlconkey
join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs:
| reply to meh37
Very good point since when simply surfing, the d/l speeds are only 50-100kB/s and for a few seconds.
Heck, go to any network page (ABC, CPS, NBC) and see how the content is only like 20% of the total BW used to fetch the page! They're re all using tons of JS and Java applets just to run the main pages....
THAT is what I have a problem with! Basically WASTED BW!
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AB_Lazy
@dslextreme.com
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :2 - Did anyone see if they have plans with higher caps for more money? Or an overage fee? Or is that the cap for all users with no options to get more? Does it matter? Even if that's their introductary tier, 5 GB is unreasonable. I could blow through that just by watching funny YouTube links my friends send me. Hell, using my XBox to download a movie would wreck that cap.
It's hard for me to picture someone actually staying under 5GB in today's times. Maybe someone who only hops online to check an e-mail inbox, but then they'd be better serviced by a cheaper dial-up connection. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
1 edit | reply to quatrix
said by quatrix :We're power users with several PCs online all day, including one on VPN full-time and one on VPN part-time, and I've used 33 GB in 189 days, barely above 5 GB per month. The average person should have no problem staying below that. Clueless.
I bet with all those "power used" PC's you also never updated them to SP1? SP2? ...I bet your network is totally riddled with crap and no well maintained.
Do you and the rest of us a favor.. don't pretend. |
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freightliner
join:2003-09-11
Portland, OR
| reply to baineschile
I say if you are having trouble with your pipe clogging, get a bigger pipe - don't chastise those who use their pipe reasonably (and I don't mean "reasonably" by some ridiculous 5 GB both ways standard) 5 GB gets sucked up in a manner of days with normal surfing and CNN news watching. It's as simple as that.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to DaSneaky1D
Ditto!
And in the end, what Frontier is really saying is "we don't really want to be in the DSL business" or "we want to be in the DSL business but don't want anyone using it. We just want to collect the customer's money, and oh.. don't use it"
5bg? I can't even support that. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20 | reply to pspcrazy
Don't feed the troll.
(I normally don't go this way, but MAN does it fit here) |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20 | reply to RainWind
Having worked in a comcast NOC, NOT customer service, but the NOC, I can tell you the average of 2gb is no where near close to correct. |
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mackintire
join:2004-03-26
Pittsburgh, PA
| reply to dlconkey
said by dlconkey :I don't pay for data limits, I pay for speed limits... Is there some miscommunication somewhere??? I pay for a speed cap, not a usage cap. If the usage is killing the bottom lines, then they're way oversold and screwed themselves. You don't sell cars for the autobahn, allowing 250kph, then say "um, oh wait, you can go that fast, but only for 20km. Then you pay by the meter..." And dude, people USING their service should not take away from yours. If in fact it does, and this is why the caps are sprouting up, the service is way oversold, and undersized! If I pay for 200kph and want to drive 1000km if I darned well want too, then THAT is what I bought in the first place! Nice try but that's a bad analogy.
Its like saying I pay for water pressure and not how much water I use.
If I leave my faucet, its the water companies fault for not being able to give me unlimited water at the price they bill me.
WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU SMOKING PEOPLE ????
Speed is speed. DATA is something to be consumed or used.
Data should be billed. The Speed should have something to do wih what the bottom dollar costs. But metered billing IS bill by byte.
Don't get me wrong. These jokers trying to sell 5GB caps are going to loose customers faster than Madonna lost her virginity.
I said it before and I ll say it now. There's nothing wrong with bill by the byte. IF the caps are say 50GB, 150GB, 300GB, 500GB, unlimited.
Also they need to work out how they handle excess usage. Auto charging more will only piss off most normal people, unless you provide a friendly way to monitor how much you have used. Give the customer the choice of paying surcharges or lowering the data-rate to say 128k/128k untill the next billing cycle is a better option.
Seriously, there are some real money grubbers out there. |
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TransitMan
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-05
Dayton, OH
clubs: 
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Time Warner VOIP
·Earthlink TrueVoice
| reply to Omega
said by Omega :said by baineschile :As one of the few people who actually supports caps on this website, i say, wonderful. Heavy users need to stop clogging the pipes fore everyone, and pay for what they are actually using. Supporting caps is one thing, but the providers need to make the caps reasonable. 5GB in 2008 is not reasonable. There is a plethora of ways to reach that, and none of those include P2P activities. I must agree with you on this.
In my house I have 2 teenagers watching »www.youtube.com and whatever else they find in streaming content, be it animie or music vids. Between the 2 of them they consume almost 20 -30GB per month by themselves.
Their mother is a light user, so she might use 2 or 3 GB per month.
I've got 2 Crunching blades, a home server (not for internet use except when I need to update software) that combined might use 5 - 6GB per month.
Then my main computer, which at the moment is sitting at just over 12GB used for the month (and I still have 36 hours to go), so in reality, I probably use 15 - 20GB per month. This is watching videos at »www.youtube.com, TV shows at »www.veoh.comVeoh, CBS, »www.hulu.com, streaming radio, etc.
Add all this up and you get this household usage at approximately 60GB per month, and their is NO p2p in use here. I have that locked out on the kids via my router.
5GB per month is going back to the Stone Age of the internet, and Frontier will definitely put itself out of business with this approach real quick.
Also, I would hate to be the CS person who takes the first phone call regarding either a large bill for using more than 5GB per month. or being cut off totally because of the same.
Look for more bitching from Frontier folks in the coming months.
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bent
not broken
Premium
join:2004-10-04
Loveland, CO
clubs:
·Comcast Formerly ..
| reply to quatrix
Doubt it. I'm a fairly low bandwidth consumption user, and I'm over 5GB almost every month. I don't use Itunes, I'm not a rabid YouTuber. I'm not against caps, but 5GB is WAY too low.
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | reply to Mike B
said by Mike B :
• Downloading MS patches for OS's for almost 10 PC's.
set up your own WSUS server to cut that down. |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | LOL, good one JOE. Thats was the laugh of the day. |
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hadirtyJlo
join:2004-03-31
Elk Grove, CA
·Comcast
| reply to TransitMan
said by TransitMan :... Add all this up and you get this household usage at approximately 60GB per month, and their is NO p2p in use here. I have that locked out on the kids via my router. ... I'm curious how you do this, since P2P isn't really able to be blocked due to it's ability to hop all over the port map, and with 40,000+ accessible ports, you've either got some beast of a router, or you're running it through a dedicated computer. |
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TransitMan
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-05
Dayton, OH
clubs: | Rules based firewall/router.
It don't match the rule, it don't go.
Similar to the old Kerio Firewall of a couple of years ago. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
4 edits | reply to hadirtyJlo
said by hadirtyJlo :said by TransitMan :... Add all this up and you get this household usage at approximately 60GB per month, and their is NO p2p in use here. I have that locked out on the kids via my router. ... I'm curious how you do this, since P2P isn't really able to be blocked due to it's ability to hop all over the port map, and with 40,000+ accessible ports, you've either got some beast of a router, or you're running it through a dedicated computer. DD-wrt open source router firmware for various home routers has a "check block" option to block all p2p protocols. The included plugin use L7 filters to do the blocking. HOWEVER, if the P2P is encrypted it doesn't work.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L7-filter
»l7-filter.sourceforge.net/
L7-filter is a classifier for Linux's Netfilter that identifies packets based on application layer data. It can classify packets as Kazaa, HTTP, Jabber, Citrix, Bittorrent, FTP, Gnucleus, eDonkey2000, etc., regardless of port. »l7-filter.sourceforge.net/protocols
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
| reply to quatrix
said by quatrix :We're power users with several PCs online all day, including one on VPN full-time and one on VPN part-time, and I've used 33 GB in 189 days, barely above 5 GB per month. The average person should have no problem staying below that. LOLLOLLOL |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to meh37
said by meh37 :
If you use less than 5GB/mo, then you really don't need broadband... do you?
I think you need to go back to dialup for an hour, and remember how awful doing ... just about anything is.
A LOT of people enjoy the fast surfing and an occasional YouTube video here and there. Maybe buying iTunes song or two. They get their money's worth out of broadband but don't come anywhere close to 5GB per month.
That said, 5GB is too low. I shouldn't have to worry that a big Microsoft update is going to consume 1/5th of my monthly allotment.
-- Rob
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