meh37
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| reply to djrobx
Re: CAPs
Sadly, I get to see dial-up on a semi-regular basis: I help my sister with her PC every month or so (she's still on dial-up, till next week when she moves to FiOS... presuming there's no strike to prevent it  ). Plus, I well remember the days of 300 baud and having to connect to work after midnite to work on some problem. However, it would be a stretch for me to consider Comcast's "economy tier" (and some DSL tiers) to be broadband nowadays, so there's a range of access above dial-up that only a few would still think of as broadband. My point, though, was that I doubt this guy is doing any of those things that you mention as things someone may occasionally want to do, in which case a true broadband connection seems of little use to him. As you say, it's very, very easy to exceed 5GB simply by doing quite normal things. |
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Qoiz
join:2005-06-26
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5GB is ridiculous, they can NOT be serious!! they will change it or they will be gone. I am a fairly low-usage user myself (it is rare to hit 30gb in a month out of my allowed 40) but I can definitely see how many people may need around 100-200GB for their needs.
I say reasonable would be around 10gb/month for a very low speed package for your average users who do a few pictures, and a few emails or so, and have higher packages for people that do movies and such. maybe around 50GB for the mid package, 100 for a higher one and 150-200 for the highest, anybody can live with that.
an example chart:
Low: 512K/256k - 25$ / Month - 10GB Cap
Mid: 3M/768k - 40$ / Month - 50 GB Cap
High: 6M/1M - 45$ / Month - 100 GB Cap
Ultra: 10M/2M - 60$ / Month - 200 GB Cap
Prices may be a bit low, but overall that should be a reasonable limit and a good way to spread your service out to suit the needs of different users to make it fairer.
I might be wrong, but odds are the people who WASTE 500-2000GB or more a month are the reason for more and more company caps... blame them, they suck cause they ruin it for the rest of you. |
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scoopy03
join:2003-05-06
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 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to dscottcooper
said by dscottcooper  :what program are you using in the pic? Thanks!! it is bandwidth monitor v3.4 build 375
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dlconkey
join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs:
| reply to mackintire
But data usage is NOT what's being sold! What's being sold is "'up to' a raw speed" and not "ok, you get great speed, but only for this much data".
YOUR analogy is flawed. Water is sold by the gallon. Sewage is charged by the gallon. Trash is billed by the volume. The internet (so far) is sold by speed limits and NOT by the bytes used. Let me know what node you're on so I can ask to be xferred to it and then I'll suck up my 10Mbps as fast as the wire stays cool!
Per MY TOS, I am billed for the speed cap, not consumption cap, and this is how the industry is going to self destruct... "Build out a big high speed network, then OVERSELL the nodes and then people bitch about their speed affected by what your neighbor bought the same as you did... then charge for excess usage, the same thing you bought in the first place.
Give us all a break.
Even Comcrap publicly says "99% of people don't use our new caps..." Um, then why screw the other ONE percent???!
You consumption freaks are the losers by blaming everyone else for your $hitty service. Talk to your own tech support (good luck) and don't blame the rest of us!
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dlconkey
join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs: | reply to TransitMan
How is P2P any different than any other data usage per your TOS?
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TransitMan
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Dayton, OH
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| said by dlconkey :How is P2P any different than any other data usage per your TOS? Maybe I need to refine that comment, eh?
There is no P2P Illegal File Sharing Allowed on my home network. The kids know this and they know the penalty if I discover this.
Further, since I admin their computers, the File-Sharing software does not get installed. They are only Limited Users, whereby they cannot install programs needing Administrative access.
Fortunately, the kids are smart enough to ask me before anything they want is allowed on their computers.
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dlconkey
join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs:
| Good for you! More parents need to be aware of their kids' usage of the internet.
Maybe I need to refine my question!  The term P2P infers illegal file sharing and is tarnished.. I define it as any direct data xfer like pictures, IM, etc.
As the father of 2 girls 8 & 10 (somebody help; I'm the sole male, outnumbered 3:1!) I have begun pondering how to best instate limits without locking our 99% of all IPs!
They know, and use Google, the 8yo types faster than me  , one time they were giggling about "boobs" they found. Took them 5 minutes to lose interest, and I casually mentioned the "you guys don';t need to be going there.
In fact, the older sister even says to the younger "we can't do that...". I'm always surreptitiously keeping track of what they're doing and 99% of the time it's oohing over "High-school Musical" videos etc. Even then, they have time limits.
Since I have XP Home, their account is inherently limited. My router also has some serious real-time filtering abilities, both by IP, and by keywords! So the day they try to search for "penis" they get red-screened by the router. Not that the subject is bad per-se, but the internet's depiction is what they don't need to know about. They know about the genders, how things work, and so far, save shown no interest in that part of the internet. They're still at the "eeeww" stage... I have the filters set to time out in 30 years... 
Unfortunately, this router only logs block hits, and not where they've been or for that matter, break-in attempts from the WAN side. But it tests bulletproof.
Hope they don't figure out how to erase their "trails' from the browser but there are ways around that anyway.
So far I've been really impressed about their responsible, self-policed use of the computers. They're good kids!
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TransitMan
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-05
Dayton, OH
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
·Time Warner VOIP
·Earthlink TrueVoice
| Use of HOSTS files and locking down both the router and computer are a very good beginning.
I currently use OpenDNS for the domain name resolver and use their filtering system as well. It is configurable to each persons particular needs or wants as far IP/bad apple filtering goes.
I have the DNS of 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 hard-coded into the computers and router.
I then logged into OpenDNS and setup an account to set the filters based on my IP.
While they prefer a Static IP, they can work with a Dynamic IP by following the instructions.
Best of luck on your "girls" as they grow up.
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dlconkey
join:2003-01-19
Chicago, IL
clubs:
| Best of luck on your "girls" as they grow up.
I'm not sure I can handle that!
I'm familiar with OpenDNS. I assume you set ip blocking? Can't your router do that?
Also, in my experience, using "outside" servers, in general, slows DNS lookup's down being annoying.
Being unfamiliar using filtered DNS servers, what can they do that your router cannot? Currently, I am using the L3 DNS servers as many times they're faster than my own ISP's, but they're just "standard DNS". That reminds me... I need to swap back to DHCP assigned DNS and see if my ISP fixed things. I'm sure there are tons of people banging the L3 DNS servers!
Many thanks for your help.
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TransitMan
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join:2000-09-05
Dayton, OH
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
·Time Warner VOIP
·Earthlink TrueVoice
| Considering my Netgear is limited on memory, going the OpenDNS route is, for the moment, a cost effective solution.
I hope to build a dedicated router running a version of Linux to better protect the home network and to be better able to impliment security better.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to dlconkey
said by dlconkey :I'm familiar with OpenDNS. I assume you set ip blocking? Can't your router do that? OpenDNS is easier to setup for blocking than a router since it uses categories and not just specific IPs. Either outside vendors or a community maintain the list of IPs blocked and they are then put in to categories. Much easier to keep the block list up to date than doing it yourself.
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