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Tulsa, OK | SO much for the Olympic spirit
Communisim wins once again.
This should have been a requirement up front before they even bid. |
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| said by inteller  :Communisim wins once again. This should have been a requirement up front before they even bid. it was. The world knew that China wasn't going to change a damn thing. The IOC wasn't concerned enough to hold China accountable.
The IOC should have had a backup - that if China didn't make good on their promise of clean air and no censorship by 1 year out (or whatever), that the 2nd place could have had plans ready to go with enough time to build whatever was needed.
That's not the case, so China knew the IOC wasn't going to be able to do much.
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| said by tiger72 :The IOC should have had a backup - that if China didn't make good on their promise of clean air and no censorship by 1 year out (or whatever), that the 2nd place could have had plans ready to go with enough time to build whatever was needed. A year or two or three is not enough time to plan, build, and execute everything that needs to be done to have the Olympics. This is why they announce hosting cities 6 or 8 years in advance. |
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| said by cdru :said by tiger72 :The IOC should have had a backup - that if China didn't make good on their promise of clean air and no censorship by 1 year out (or whatever), that the 2nd place could have had plans ready to go with enough time to build whatever was needed. A year or two or three is not enough time to plan, build, and execute everything that needs to be done to have the Olympics. This is why they announce hosting cities 6 or 8 years in advance. And for the previous 6-7 years the "backup" site makes all plans and contingencies... Everything ready to go, permits completed, but without a single building having been built. Not just starting to think about it a year ahead. That way, a year or 2 out, if the original site isn't fulfilling it's contractual obligations, the backup can hit the ground running.
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cdru
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| said by tiger72 :And for the previous 6-7 years the "backup" site makes all plans and contingencies... Everything ready to go, permits completed, but without a single building having been built. Not just starting to think about it a year ahead. That way, a year or 2 out, if the original site isn't fulfilling it's contractual obligations, the backup can hit the ground running. So you want a host city/country to foot all the expenses of planning everything out on the very remote chance that it might be needed. Right.
Beijing National Stadium, the "birds nest" that is the main stadium for the upcoming Olympics started planning in 2002 and broke ground around Christmas of 2003. So that means it's been under construction for the past 4 1/2 years. Other infrastructure improvements have also been in the works for nearly as long.
It's just not practical to have a required 4+ year window for a backup site. |
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| said by cdru :said by tiger72 :And for the previous 6-7 years the "backup" site makes all plans and contingencies... Everything ready to go, permits completed, but without a single building having been built. Not just starting to think about it a year ahead. That way, a year or 2 out, if the original site isn't fulfilling it's contractual obligations, the backup can hit the ground running. So you want a host city/country to foot all the expenses of planning everything out on the very remote chance that it might be needed. Right. Beijing National Stadium, the "birds nest" that is the main stadium for the upcoming Olympics started planning in 2002 and broke ground around Christmas of 2003. So that means it's been under construction for the past 4 1/2 years. Other infrastructure improvements have also been in the works for nearly as long. It's just not practical to have a required 4+ year window for a backup site. The NOC of the 2nd country can do the planning - they're a sunk cost anyways. I'm not saying that by any means the backup would be as elaborate and such as the primary site. If there isn't enough time to build new Olympic stadiums, then a much cheaper and quicker plan would preferably involve retrofitting existing stadiums. Or even simpler yet, go back to Greece (which now has modern, large enough facilities) as a standard backup. Frankly, the odds of the backup being used would never happen. As it is right now though, you have the IOC not doing anything because they never had a contingency for what everyone knew was going to happen.
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