Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. in Road Runner http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20876078 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:41:50 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:41:50 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20923103 Anonymous_ :
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The technical limitations of bandwidth on the cable plant "Last Mile" seem to indicate that bandwidth is shared at the CMTS; a little closer to home than with DSL. Cable companies have to split nodes to "add bandwidth". Basically, the B/W on the "Last Mile" is fixed, and the only way to "add capacity" is to reduce the number of subscribers sharing that bandwidth. Theoretically, the sharing could come down to one customer per node;
Make it CMTS ports instead of nodes. CMTS upstream/downstream ports are the limiting factor as that is where the bandwidth is limited (by DOCSIS channel specs). Each CMTS port transmits or receives a single DOCSIS channel. A single physical node can actually be several virtual nodes (thank WDM for that) and each can have multiple upstream/downstream data channels. ...but current DOCSIS 1 and 2 modems can only connect to 1 downstream and 1 upstream channel at a time.

In the end, last mile congestion comes down to how many customers are sharing the upstream/downstream CMTS ports, how the channels on those ports are configured, and the average/maximum bandwidth usage per customer. The 38 mpbs downstream channel bandwidth per CMTS downstream port is eaten up pretty quick when users are configured with 10 or 15 mbps and then saturate their connection for hours.

I know, it's nitpicking, but I hate when people describe nodes as the bandwidth choke point in cable systems.
I heard that Adelphia was upgrading to docsis 2.0 - and comcast took over all those markets, while TWC was left with 1.1 - which basically made them upgrade to 1.1 cause adelphia was already there.
Selected areas Have 2.0 from the start

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20923103 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:21:49 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20908265 MacLeech :
said by Pizz See Profile :

I heard that Adelphia was upgrading to docsis 2.0 - and comcast took over all those markets, while TWC was left with 1.1 - which basically made them upgrade to 1.1 cause adelphia was already there. Is there any merit to that MacLeech?
That has no merit. Most of Adelphia had DOCSIS 2.0 gear, maybe not active though, and TWC owns huge portions of Adelphia systems in CA, NY, and PA.

The major systems that Adelphia gave up to Comcast were in Florida.
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said by MacLeech See Profile :

said by NormanS See Profile :

The technical limitations of bandwidth on the cable plant "Last Mile" seem to indicate that bandwidth is shared at the CMTS; a little closer to home than with DSL. Cable companies have to split nodes to "add bandwidth". Basically, the B/W on the "Last Mile" is fixed, and the only way to "add capacity" is to reduce the number of subscribers sharing that bandwidth. Theoretically, the sharing could come down to one customer per node;
Make it CMTS ports instead of nodes. CMTS upstream/downstream ports are the limiting factor as that is where the bandwidth is limited (by DOCSIS channel specs). Each CMTS port transmits or receives a single DOCSIS channel. A single physical node can actually be several virtual nodes (thank WDM for that) and each can have multiple upstream/downstream data channels. ...but current DOCSIS 1 and 2 modems can only connect to 1 downstream and 1 upstream channel at a time.

In the end, last mile congestion comes down to how many customers are sharing the upstream/downstream CMTS ports, how the channels on those ports are configured, and the average/maximum bandwidth usage per customer. The 38 mpbs downstream channel bandwidth per CMTS downstream port is eaten up pretty quick when users are configured with 10 or 15 mbps and then saturate their connection for hours.

I know, it's nitpicking, but I hate when people describe nodes as the bandwidth choke point in cable systems.
Well according to TWCNYC - everytime congestion happens, they do a physical node split. According to an engineer, they no longer do logical splits. So i'm guessing each node that is configured here in NYC really doesnt have the QoS that your side of the country does, and i wouldnt be surprised.

I heard that Adelphia was upgrading to docsis 2.0 - and comcast took over all those markets, while TWC was left with 1.1 - which basically made them upgrade to 1.1 cause adelphia was already there. Is there any merit to that MacLeech?

Wondering also if Adelphia would've went to powerboost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20907628 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:13:33 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20906523 daveinpoway : Have you had the time to paraphrase the info you received from Visualware? I would be interested in seeing it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20906523 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:49:40 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902999 Baseline : Well, if we want to be honest, that is more or less just an open door for the ISP to boot anyone they want since there is no clear limit defined.

I'm sure there are quite a few people with 10 or 15 mbit plans downloading a ton daily / going heavy on the torrents. If TW really wanted to, they could have taken the top 5% of the bandwidth usage list, sent them service termination notices and there, done.

Have you ever heard of someone being booted off TW for excessive bandwidth?

They wouldn't do it, because then there would be an uproar that they want to offer these huge speeds but only have customers that want to check their email and load web pages in 0.2 seconds instead of 0.8 seconds with their competitors.

People get these connections for file transfer / HD content / bandwidth-intensive content. If a line for BW limits is going to be set, then that's fine. Apparently TW agrees with what they've started in Texas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902999 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:47:11 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902970 MacLeech :
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He's paying for access to a network up to a particular data rate, not unlimited data transfer capacity.
Really? And what part of the agreement specifies the data limit?
Other than the RR subscriber agreement specifying:
quote:
"Subscriber acknowledges and agrees that Road Runner and Operator shall each have the right to monitor Subscriber's “bandwidth consumption” (i.e. aggregate volume of data that may be sent or received) at any time and on an on-going basis, and to limit excessive bandwidth consumption by Subscriber (as determined by Road Runner and/or Operator) by any means available to Operator or Road Runner, including suspension or termination of the Road Runner Service."


and the TWC Acceptable Use Policy stating:
quote:
The ISP Service may not be used to engage in any conduct that interferes with Operator's ability to provide service to others, including the use of excessive bandwidth.

The ISP Service may not be used in a manner that interferes with Operator's efficient operation of its facilities, the provision of services or the ability of others to utilize the ISP Service in a reasonable manner. Operator may use various tools and techniques in order to efficiently manage its networks and to ensure compliance with this Acceptable Use Policy (“Network Management Tools”).


there are no hard limits defined.

There is a soft limit of "when another user's service is impacted".
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902970 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:41:12 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902791 Baseline :
said by MacLeech See Profile :

He's paying for access to a network up to a particular data rate, not unlimited data transfer capacity.
Really? And what part of the agreement specifies the data limit?

Aside from our friends being taken advantage of in Beaumont of course.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902791 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:05:43 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902787 MacLeech :
said by Baseline See Profile :

said by MacLeech See Profile :

said by Xizer See Profile :

Heavy users should get to use as much bandwidth as they desire.
Why? because you are a heavy user and that's what you desire?

Any other reasons?
Because he's paying for it?
He's paying for access to a network up to a particular data rate, not unlimited data transfer capacity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902787 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:04:56 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902773 Baseline :
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thats why companies have Analysts - and other 'predict the future' marketeers.

FIOS will be nation-wide probably around 2020ish - im predicting, dont think it's going to be inside alot of rural areas though, as with majority of the MSOs.
The FIOS deployment speed is ridiculous. For a year now it's been available 10 minutes from where I live, actually on both sides of me. I'm in a part of WNY called Sloan (near Cheektowaga). And if you look on the fios availability map, the available shaded zones are on both sides of me, and haven't really changed in about a year.

FIOS is rolling out at a snails pace. Personally, if you really use the internet that much and are that hell bent on bandwidth, plan your next move to a FIOS area. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902773 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:02:18 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902754 Baseline :
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said by Xizer See Profile :

Heavy users should get to use as much bandwidth as they desire.
Why? because you are a heavy user and that's what you desire?

Any other reasons?
Because he's paying for it and there or no provisions in the agreement as to set bandwidth limits?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20902754 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:59:28 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20900163 daveinpoway : I tried the MySpeed test, and the download graph was a huge mess, with tons of lag spikes. Not sure if that is right, but it probably isn't, since my speeds are shot right now (testing within my ISP's system, I am only getting about 3 Mbps download speed, even though I am supposed to get 15).

I see there is an "Advanced" option, but this asks for a user name and password, so you probably have to pay for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20900163 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:52:15 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899696 NormanS :
said by MacLeech See Profile :

I know, it's nitpicking, but I hate when people describe nodes as the bandwidth choke point in cable systems.
Okay, okay. Call it "one customer per channel". Uverse is also a FTTN product, and I do undestand that, with Uverse, it can be multiple customers per node; but it is only one customer per physical port in the node.
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said by NormanS See Profile :

The technical limitations of bandwidth on the cable plant "Last Mile" seem to indicate that bandwidth is shared at the CMTS; a little closer to home than with DSL. Cable companies have to split nodes to "add bandwidth". Basically, the B/W on the "Last Mile" is fixed, and the only way to "add capacity" is to reduce the number of subscribers sharing that bandwidth. Theoretically, the sharing could come down to one customer per node;
Make it CMTS ports instead of nodes. CMTS upstream/downstream ports are the limiting factor as that is where the bandwidth is limited (by DOCSIS channel specs). Each CMTS port transmits or receives a single DOCSIS channel. A single physical node can actually be several virtual nodes (thank WDM for that) and each can have multiple upstream/downstream data channels. ...but current DOCSIS 1 and 2 modems can only connect to 1 downstream and 1 upstream channel at a time.

In the end, last mile congestion comes down to how many customers are sharing the upstream/downstream CMTS ports, how the channels on those ports are configured, and the average/maximum bandwidth usage per customer. The 38 mpbs downstream channel bandwidth per CMTS downstream port is eaten up pretty quick when users are configured with 10 or 15 mbps and then saturate their connection for hours.

I know, it's nitpicking, but I hate when people describe nodes as the bandwidth choke point in cable systems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899555 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:49:39 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899548 RoadRunner79 : Please do not think your words have fallen on deaf ears, I understand what your saying and thanks for hearing me and others out, but even if standard users are only able to keep up with me for a short time is aggravating because from the link I posted earlier standard users should not even be getting a power boost in the first place. They are not in a contract or had to get all the requirements I had to get just to get into the PLG. This is the part that I agree with the title of this thread :p

Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899548 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:48:28 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899469 NormanS : Hardly. The technical limitations of bandwidth on the cable plant "Last Mile" seem to indicate that bandwidth is shared at the CMTS; a little closer to home than with DSL. Cable companies have to split nodes to "add bandwidth". Basically, the B/W on the "Last Mile" is fixed, and the only way to "add capacity" is to reduce the number of subscribers sharing that bandwidth. Theoretically, the sharing could come down to one customer per node; at which point, you would have what AT&T is already deploying in their Uverse product. Except that the cablecos would either have to run one coax per premises (what AT&T already has: FTTN), or deploy FTTP. Somehow I suspect that the cablecos would rather spend the money on DOCSIS 3 than on FTTP (cheaper, in the long run).

P.S. I do know that, as currently configured, the HFC plant is already FTTN.

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FIOS will be nation-wide probably around 2020ish - im predicting, dont think it's going to be inside alot of rural areas though, as with majority of the MSOs.
Only in areas Verizon serves as the ILEC. Which means most of the U.S. Pacific Northwest and Far West (except where GTE used to be the ILEC, as they are now part of Verizon).

Most of California, and a small part of Nevada are AT&T territory. Most of the Pacific Northwest, and substantial parts of the Mountain states are Qwest territory. Most of the Midwest, and parts of the Southwest are AT&T territory. Most of the Southeast is AT&T territory. Most of Connecticut is AT&T territory. Large swaths of the regions I've mentioned so far, which are not covered by AT&T, Qwest, or Verizon, are Embarq territory.

Unless Verizon has the financial wherewithal to buy AT&T, Embarq, and Qwest, in addition to deploying FTTP in their own territories, FiOS will never cover a substantial part of the USA.
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said by Xizer See Profile :

Heavy users should get to use as much bandwidth as they desire.
Why? because you are a heavy user and that's what you desire?

Any other reasons?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899210 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:38:01 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899166 Xizer : You all seem to be overlooking something.

Heavy users should get to use as much bandwidth as they desire.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899166 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:26:31 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898903 Pizz : I dont think the 24x7 heavy users get a warning, or a phone to call to ease up on it. I dont know what you're use to Upstate, but downstate here - It goes on for many months before a node split occurs.

My neighborhood had this problem on/off for 6 months - finally it got split, because people started canceling service. Never once did Level 3 or Client Relations state, the node was at capacity, until engineering came out and saw how it was during prime-time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898903 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:35:05 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898442 hobgoblin : "You do see the problem in that business plan? Wait until the network is over-subscribed, than upgrade. Instead of seeing how many users are being added on to that particular node."

There is far more to it than that. The TYPE of user is more important than how many there are. Several 24/7 downloaders cause far more issues than 50 very light users. Nodes are monitored for capacity on a daily basis,

Hob
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898442 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:09:32 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898372 Pizz : thats why companies have Analysts - and other 'predict the future' marketeers.

FIOS will be nation-wide probably around 2020ish - im predicting, dont think it's going to be inside alot of rural areas though, as with majority of the MSOs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898372 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:56:18 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898224 NormanS :
said by Pizz See Profile :

You do see the problem in that business plan? Wait until the network is over-subscribed, than upgrade. Instead of seeing how many users are being added on to that particular node.
Yes, it is a problem. OTOH, how do you spend money that you haven't yet made?
And thats why Verizon is going to be taking over the Video/Internet Business.
Only in places where Verizon serves the community, and is willing to deploy their FTTH product, "FiOS". The closest that FiOS will come to my premises would be the town of Monte Sereno, California (about 7-8 miles out). Assumes that Verizon will actually deploy FiOS in that community. All I will get is "Uverse" (the AT&T FTTN product).
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said by NormanS See Profile :

said by Pizz See Profile :

I dont understand, nor comprehend how MSO's can even have a last mile run problem. Subs keep getting signed up, so if there was this so called 'last mile bandwidth' issue, wouldnt they hold off on signups, until upgrades are put into place.
No. They often upgrade the "Last Mile" in reaction to congestion problems, not in anticipation of them.
You do see the problem in that business plan? Wait until the network is over-subscribed, than upgrade. Instead of seeing how many users are being added on to that particular node.

And thats why Verizon is going to be taking over the Video/Internet Business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898170 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:20:59 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897948 NormanS :
said by Pizz See Profile :

I dont understand, nor comprehend how MSO's can even have a last mile run problem. Subs keep getting signed up, so if there was this so called 'last mile bandwidth' issue, wouldnt they hold off on signups, until upgrades are put into place.
No. They often upgrade the "Last Mile" in reaction to congestion problems, not in anticipation of them.
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said by Xizer See Profile :

I always get my full connection speed.
Why don't I believe that? Because 90% of the Internet sources aren't capable of sustaining your download speed on their upload bandwidth.
If there was congestion going on, it's not like my traffic is special and would always get priority over everyone else's, so I should see a slower speed from others using their connections as well. I don't.
Have you ever actually been on a congested node? It is the "Last Mile" where the congestion has the biggest adverse affect.
Quite frankly, I don't think anyone's going to be bitching any time soon when they only get 10 Mbps instead of their 15 Mbps for a brief period during the day...
They already do.
Bandwidth shortage is a manufactured famine.
Not on the "Last Mile".
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said by MacLeech See Profile :

In the end you still download larger files faster, which is the point of paying more right?
Mac, i suggest you give up like i am, Ive tried making that point since page 1, and these brickwalls just dont understand it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897742 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:01:41 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897670 MacLeech :
said by RoadRunner79 See Profile :

I know my connection is faster but when I'm paying more than a standard user and he's getting my speeds that bothers me alot.
The user with Powerboost only gets comparable speeds to you for a short time, your speeds keep that high level.

In the end you still download larger files faster, which is the point of paying more right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897670 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:44:46 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897554 Selenia : Just download a Linux iso such as Ubuntu via a torrent(the iso comes in handy anyways in emergencies). If you don't get good speeds and your port is forwarded, then something IS wrong. I have maxed out a 100 mbit connection with those.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897554 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:19:54 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897309 RoadRunner79 :
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said by RoadRunner79 See Profile :

My best guess is $$$
No you did not understand my question

Why do the number matter to you? if you know your connection is faster, why do your numbers HAVE to be bigger than someone who isn't paying for turbo even though you know for sure your package is faster
I know my connection is faster but when I'm paying more than a standard user and he's getting my speeds that bothers me alot. The link I'm putting in shows what they have going on in my area,

»www.timewarnercable.com/SanAnton···eed.html

So maybe you will understand why I'm twisted at the fact that people that are not in a 2 year contract and are paying less than me are getting my speeds, that's BS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897309 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:24:17 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897283 supergirl :
said by Xizer See Profile :

Where do all you guys plan on downloading at 3.8 MB/sec anyway?

I am rarely able to get my 15 Mbps rated speed outside of Usenet or extremely well seeded torrents. Occasionally, companies like Microsoft have fast enough servers.

Is there a way to get around this speed test cheater?
When surfing, it is nice. Email is really fast too. I stay at about 25 down on a large 1 gig download but start sometimes in the 30-35 range for the first minute. It is also nice for YouTube since Powerboost works for the time the video plays and same with movie trailers.

As Grandpa Simpson said, "B@tch, B@tch, B@tch!" :o :uhh: :D
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edit: You said Powerboost was just for a "few seconds"???? We have had a HUGE boost for a "few seconds" for years. So, has Oceanic TW had Powerboost when no other TW division had it or are you wrong about the length of time for Powerboost...I thought it was for SEVERAL MINUTES.
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Powerboost is fine for the short term, but long term, this cannot be considered the future of MSO broadband.

Plus as a Turbo Subscriber in NYC - my speeds are identical to someone with Standard. Guess i should cancel it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896673 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:10:47 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896665 Mele20 : Do you know what the time division algorithm for
speed-boost is? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896665 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:08:14 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896367 Rombus : I like how most here think there area doesn't need it, apparently they talk for everyone in their area

@Mele20:

Since you ignored my previous post, let me ask again:
How does a speedtest show your connection is correct? What do you look for? If its running slow, its still going to run slow with powerboost. Powerboost is not going to fix signal level, noise, router or congestion issues. Keep in mind powerboost only speeds up the first few seconds of a connection, which is what a speed test measures. If its slow, powerboost wont help it.

So what else do you do with a speedtest? Well if you are running them consistently, and looking for the issue, then as long as the speed is faster than what you pay for, then you are golden. Since your speedtest only checks for ~30 seconds anyway, you wont be finding intermittent slowdowns unless you constantly test.

The last think i can think of you would use a speed test for (Besides the obvious of bragging rights) is to make sure your modem is provisioned correctly. Well, you can call TWC and they can verify its all setup right. Modems do not randomly "unprovision" themselves without some mistake being made by someone with account access, and the only time they should be in your account is when your talking to them on the phone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896367 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:55:27 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896032 Xizer :
said by NormanS See Profile :

It is difficult, even for someone who is running their connection 24/7 using their full rated speed, to actually cost an ISP money in terms of bandwidth cost.
It will cost the ISP in dissatisfied customer leaving over congestion because 0.01% of the subscriber are using 90% of the bandwidth.
This whole "congestion" thing is the biggest, most blatant lie I have ever seen. How do I know it's a lie? Because I always get my full connection speed. If there was congestion going on, it's not like my traffic is special and would always get priority over everyone else's, so I should see a slower speed from others using their connections as well. I don't.

Quite frankly, I don't think anyone's going to be bitching any time soon when they only get 10 Mbps instead of their 15 Mbps for a brief period during the day, especially if it means caps are the alternative. Most people won't even notice a speed difference.

Bandwidth shortage is a manufactured famine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896032 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:09:10 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20895939 NormanS :
said by Xizer See Profile :

It is difficult, even for someone who is running their connection 24/7 using their full rated speed, to actually cost an ISP money in terms of bandwidth cost.
It will cost the ISP in dissatisfied customer leaving over congestion because 0.01% of the subscriber are using 90% of the bandwidth.
This whole "bandwidth shortage" is a manufactured famine.
There is certainly plenty of backbone bandwidth. The problem is with the "Last Mile" bandwidth.
This is why nations which actually have proper infrastructure and ISPs that aren't focused solely on profiting as much as possible while providing as little value as possible like Norway, Sweden, Japan and South Korea have such impressive Internet connectivity.
Norway, Sweden, and South Korea combined have only 21% of the population of the U.S. Probably 90% of which population lives in urban/suburban areas which are relatively cheaply wired, compared with the U.S.

Even Japan packs half the population of the U.S. in an area just under the size of the state of California. If 80% of the population of the U.S. lived in San Francisco, or Los Angeles, or were stretched in between, you'd have a valid point.
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As far as I know, Time Warner still uses MySpeed on all its gateways. The current Oceanic speed test is just a junk Flash test which doesn't even show QOS or anything important. It will be worthless too if/when Oceanic implements Powerboost. The only other worthwhile speed tests (Web100) will also be no good. Sure, I can use OOL's FTP download and I have been using it for years but that is ONE test in ONE location. I want more than that and I want tests on the West Coast and I want a decent Oceanic test.

This Powerboost cripples the ability to tell if things are ok for me. I'm not on Oahu. Sure, I can run Ping Plotter to "local-server" using TCP engine (since ICMP is blocked by Oceanic) but I need other information also and speed tests are one of the things I need....accurate speed tests that is.
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Three of the biggest cable MSOs in the country are using Powerboost now, probably with more subscribers using it then Visualware has customers who licensed Myspeed...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20893213 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:08:18 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20892663 Flashfox : If it's free, then who cares? (like others mentioned, why moan & groan if they offer it for free?)

As for sustained 15 mbps DL, I have pretty good luck if the file I am looking for is cached on a RR supported server. If not, then I am limited to the Internet traffic congestion and to the UL limits of the host site.

As an FYI, I was a COX user until I moved into RR territory last year. I "enjoyed" PowerBoost while on COX and IMHO, RR is late with this offering. On the other hand, they did offer a 15/2 plan, which was better than COX' 10/1.

I first tried AT&T's U-Verse and was totally disappointed (granted, it wasn't all their fault as the cabling in the new condo complex I live in has some problems). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20892663 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:51:20 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20892617 Flashfox : Bingo! You het the nail right on the head.

These "powerboost" schemes do offer "temporary" advantages while limiting the amount of network upgrades that are needed.

They are great marketing tools and, to be fair, they do offer some user benefits although limited.

The problem appears when a provider decides to charge you for this fluff. That's when you need to question the ROI.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20892617 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:40:30 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20891945 daveinpoway : The reason they aren't offering "more speed all the time" is that this costs money for system upgrades. What Powerboost does is to "borrow" bandwidth from others on the system if they aren't using their allotment at the moment- no upgrades required, since the total system bandwidth is the same.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20891945 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:25:23 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20891929 Mele20 : That site doesn't allow download unless you give up your privacy. Road Runner should not force me to have to use a site like that to determine my speed. My hosts file, and Customize Google firefox extension, were diverting the Google Analytic crap there but that site sure tried. Plus, if you don't allow cookies you can't download there.

If RR is going to offer a gimmick like this then they need to allow users to turn it off if they don't want it. I don't see why RR can't simply offer more speed all the time instead of a crappy gimmick designed ONLY to fool the average user who knows nothing about Road Runner, speed or anything else.
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said by RoadRunner79 See Profile :

My best guess is $$$
No you did not understand my question

Why do the number matter to you? if you know your connection is faster, why do your numbers HAVE to be bigger than someone who isn't paying for turbo even though you know for sure your package is faster]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20891335 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:29:10 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20890383 rcdailey : Right. I misstated that. For firmware, it wouldn't make any difference what the OS is, anymore than it makes any difference with a D-Link router. The firmware from 2007 is just the current shipping version. There's no indication as to whether it works with Comcast or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20890383 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:49:50 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20890347 MacLeech : The dlink DCM-202 file for Vista is the USB drivers.

Firmware normally doesn't change with the OS.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20890347 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:41:48 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20890288 rcdailey : That was something I was thinking, too. There is no new firmware for my modem, so it's irrelevant to me. I was surprised to see that firmware for the DCM-202 was available for download from the D-Link site. The one identified for Comcast users is dated in 2004. I doubt that one would be right for the current era. The other is dated in 2007, but it seems to have been released to support Vista.

Besides, it should be possible to view the firmware date(s) within the modem pages. My old modem has firmware from 2003, but it works okay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20890288 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:24:31 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20890066 MacLeech :
said by rcdailey See Profile :

I'd be hesitant to change the firmware on a cable modem without checking with tech support at the cable provider.
Unless the modem isn't following DOCSIS spec, the end user shouldn't be able to update the firmware on the cable modem, only the provider should be able to do that.

Updating the firmware may cause issues with the CMTS it's connected to, causing more problems than it fixes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20890066 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:28:57 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20889308 rcdailey : I suppose that could be possible. It's a fact that Comcast claims in their Powerboost FAQ that all you need is a DOCSIS 1.1 or better cable modem. The DCM-202 is a DOCSIS 2.0, so it fits their definition. This may show that just because they say something in a FAQ doesn't mean it is true.

I checked the D-Link site for firmware upgrades, but the only ones that they show are at this link.

»www.dlink.com/products/support.a···firmware

I'd be hesitant to change the firmware on a cable modem without checking with tech support at the cable provider. Plus, I have never flashed a cable modem, only my router. I suppose flashing would be done in the same way, via the network connection. While I have flashed my router a few times, I think I'd leave a cable modem alone if it's working.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20889308 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:21:54 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20889147 daveinpoway : Someone in the Comcast forum had a theory that a firmware problem is responsible for the DCM-202 not being able to get Powerboost on their system, but I don't know if this is correct or not. All I can say is that the issue(s) do not appear to affect Cox HSI.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20889147 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:44:14 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20888912 rcdailey : Uh, the DCM-202 is a cable modem. The 4100 is a router. Different animals.

That said, it's odd that the DCM-202, which is a DOCSIS 2.0 cable modem would not be supported for powerboost on Comcast when it will work with other cable providers. Do you suppose this has something to do with Comcast rolling out DOCSIS 3.0 and not about powerboost in general?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20888912 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:44:42 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20888782 mckenna797 :
said by daveinpoway See Profile :

Regarding the DLink DCM-202, from what I have heard, Comcast cannot/will not enable Powerboost with this modem. BUT, if you are on Cox HSI, they have no problems providing PB speeds with the DCM-202. Last month, I had my spare DCM-202 hooked up to be sure a problem I was seeing wasn't caused by my usual SB5120 modem. I was signed up for 12 Mbps download speed, but, testing within the Cox network, I saw close to 28 Mbps at one point. Obviously, PB was working for me.

Now that other ISP's (such as TW) are moving to PB, I don't know if their policy regarding the DCM-202 will be Comcast's or Cox's.
i have the d-link 4100 and have no problem with power boost ,with twc of nyc]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20888782 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:12:07 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20888668 RoadRunner79 :
said by Rombus See Profile :

said by RoadRunner79 See Profile :

regardless if my speed is better than a lower package a lower package should not be matching my X amount of reference numbers on my line speed.
But why? What difference does it make what the numbers mean if you know your on the turbo package? And its only going to match for the first seconds of the connection.
My best guess is $$$]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20888668 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:45:31 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20887805 daveinpoway : Now that ISP's other than Comcast and Cox are moving to Powerboost, it is possible the various speedtest sites will change their tests to deal with this technology. Time will tell, I suppose.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20887805 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:35:54 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20887801 daveinpoway : Regarding the DLink DCM-202, from what I have heard, Comcast cannot/will not enable Powerboost with this modem. BUT, if you are on Cox HSI, they have no problems providing PB speeds with the DCM-202. Last month, I had my spare DCM-202 hooked up to be sure a problem I was seeing wasn't caused by my usual SB5120 modem. I was signed up for 12 Mbps download speed, but, testing within the Cox network, I saw close to 28 Mbps at one point. Obviously, PB was working for me.

Now that other ISP's (such as TW) are moving to PB, I don't know if their policy regarding the DCM-202 will be Comcast's or Cox's. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20887801 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:32:44 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20887753 Steve Mehs : You couldn't pay me enough to live in Hawaii. Buffalo is my home]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20887753 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:36:54 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20887703 Mele20 :
said by Steve Mehs See Profile :

One call to 1-866-756-FAST for Biz Class service is all it takes and I will not be forced to change what I do on the net every day and how much I do it. Things are a little tighter now, with my monthly payment for my new Lincoln SUV, but I can still swing a $200 cable bill and more if need be.
Then why pay that much for 6/1? Move to Hualalai Resort in Kona, Hawaii. No one is sure of the price yet but Oceanic is currently offering those home owners 100mbps/100mbps. You can probably afford whatever price they end up with.
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You've never seen a nasty attitude from me before, so stop pretending you have. This is nice for me.
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said by Racerbob See Profile :

As usual Steve, your nasty attitude shows through loud and clear. .. As I said, you worship Time Warner more than anyone else I have come in contact with.
Don't you remember RoadRunner Rick?....Maybe Steve is him in disguise? :D
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said by RoadRunner79 See Profile :

regardless if my speed is better than a lower package a lower package should not be matching my X amount of reference numbers on my line speed.
But why? What difference does it make what the numbers mean if you know your on the turbo package? And its only going to match for the first seconds of the connection. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20886320 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:55:00 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20886244 Racerbob : But by the same token Steve, even when there are issues with TW in any way, you turn the other cheek and pretend not to notice. I am all for whatever TW as a company can do for me as a customer. But I also welcome the day, for example, when Verizon makes a serious attempt to come into this market and offers some reasonable and serious competition to the almighty TW empire . Competition is good. Not to get off topic too much, but Frontier can't compete as we all know, and heaven forbid that TW institutes caps in this area. But then, pray tell, what service would we be able to turn to ? We all are not bottomless money pits and there is a very definite limit as to what I am willing to pay for internet and TV services. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20886244 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:39:04 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20886182 Steve Mehs : What's your problem with SDV?

I swear, TW will never and can never do right in the eyes of you guys.
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1. "I Dont like power boost since it effects my speed test results"

I'm willing to step back from the whole "Speedtests are not accurate" argument. Why? Because Powerboost will not affect speedtests that are used for diagnostic sake. If your speeds are slow now, they will still be slow with powerboost. Why? A speed test usually lasts ~30 seconds, and that's what powerboost is designed to speed up. Powerboost isent going to somehow fix level issues, ping issues, or node congestion. So if your slow now, you will be slow with powerboost, and you wont notice much of a change.

2. "They should only give this to Turbo users, somehow this devalues my turbo connection"

First, this question depends on what your using your connection for. If your downloading large files constantly, then of course your turbo service is still going to be better than standard road runner. If you just wanted the faster speed to surf the web faster, then TWC is giving you a great opportunity to downgrade and save some money. Chances are with powerboost your connection will still "Feel" the same, and your saving money.

3. "TWC should spend money on network updates and not features like this"

Keep in mind, This does not cost the company as much as upgrading to docsis3 and i essentially look at as a interim upgrade till they start rolling our docsis3 soon. I mean overall cost cant be that expensive, its just a setting change and code update. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20885766 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:05:58 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20885436 Pizz : sad if they keep to it, but i understand if they do. But alot of customers who have the opportunity to get FiosTv, will probably end up switching to it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20885436 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:56:39 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20885387 Steve Mehs : Time Warner has invested a lot of money in SDV, they're not getting rid of it anytime soon. They're doing the opposite, they're expanding on it. Sorry.

SDV is a godsend]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20885387 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:47:14 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20885325 Pizz : Got ya punker, try and move to a FIOS market if you can. But i think CATV from TimeWarner will get better - i just think they never thought competition would come in so fast, so they have no choice but to get rid of the SDV]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20885325 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:36:31 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20884971 maartena : I personally don't care for it much either (I would rather have those speeds all the time), but I can see advantages. If you have a big download, and I have those now and then, it is nice to be able to get it a little quicker.

I would like an option though to enable/disable it from the RoadRunner account webpage, so you can still do proper speed testing. Alternatively, RoadRunner can host a list of sites for which powerboost is never enabled, and add the IP addresses of the major test servers.

Either way, since you aren't charged for it, we shouldn't complain about free stuff. :)
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said by Xizer See Profile :

said by Steve Mehs See Profile :

If you're unhappy with Time Warner and PowerBoost, check out dial up. You can do more accurate speedtest and we can finally quit hearing Mele cry about the stupidist things.
When Time Warner puts in those new caps I think we're all going to have to be checking out dial-up...
And you know for a fact they'll be capping the service? TW test markets a lot of things in different areas, some take off, some don't. So quit your crying....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20884497 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:17:56 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20884472 Xizer :
said by Steve Mehs See Profile :

If you're unhappy with Time Warner and PowerBoost, check out dial up. You can do more accurate speedtest and we can finally quit hearing Mele cry about the stupidist things.
When Time Warner puts in those new caps I think we're all going to have to be checking out dial-up...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20884472 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:15:05 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20884450 Steve Mehs :
said by Rombus See Profile :

I don't understand this forum sometimes...

Time Warner is giving you a FREE (read: YOU AREN'T PAYING EXTRA FOR IT) temporary speed boost. Yet you all whine?

It helps small files and streaming content, you know, like your normal day to day surfing. Streaming Content will start quicker, since the powerboost will fill the buffer faster.

Will it not help large downloads? Of course not, that's why you have the turbo service.

Will it break speed tests? Of course, since speed tests themselves are inherently flawed. It does not average your speed over a larger amount of time, they usually are only a 5-30 second snapshot of your speed. I mean, short of verifying your provisioned right, and as an indicator of speed issues, what else do speedtests do? make your epeen feel bigger?

This will make your day to day browsing faster for free, and yet you guys just sit there and bitch about it.
Because a lot of people on here a just a bunch of crybabies.

If you're unhappy with Time Warner and PowerBoost, check out dial up. You can do more accurate speedtest and we can finally quit hearing people cry about the stupidist things. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20884450 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:10:33 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20883995 Pizz : Punker, i dont know about the west coast. But i know that if areas are getting hit with alot of FIOS peneration - That area will be getting DOCSIS 3.0 sooner than later.

What service you use for CATV punker with all those options.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20883995 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:52:14 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20883984 Pizz :
said by Rombus See Profile :

:Eyeroll:

ITs not some "FAKE" Increase, the data is getting to your computer faster.

All a company needs to do is make a speedtest that averages over 1 or 2 min and you will get a proper result!

You know what, i give up. I do. This thread, in its singularity, is the perfect example of what is wrong with DSLReports. You guys wont be happy unless you have a fiber connection into your home, free of charge, with unlimited bandwidth and no cap. Guess what, your precious speedtests would not work then either, since it would be too fast for most web based tests. Would it matter to you all though? Of course not, since you have the bragging rights of a free fiber connection to your home.

Time Warner Cable could include a crisp $20 in the monthly bill every month and someone on DSLR would:
Complain it was not enough and they should get more
Complain it was too much and they should get less
Complain that they should just take the $20 off the bill
Complain that they should get more since they have X service.
Well the amount of Money I've paid for CATV/Internet to TimeWarner Cable throughout years, i should have a connection more than 15/768 - I hate use other countries, but when i do goto Asia a few times a year, i personally see technology is a great thing - while in fact they do pay less for more.

Some Americans, know when they're getting ripped off others just take it. Hell this entire site was built on a user who was pissed off mainly.

I enjoy powerboost, as my son and wife do too. They notice the speeds, when transferring a song from RR Rhapsody to their MP3 device - and for myself i enjoy getting some updates insanely fast :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20883984 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:50:54 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20883359 Dareius : Sheesh! Usually Friday's are the best day of the week for mood swings, but this forum is reading off like a Monday already.

To those hating on Powerboost, what will venting on a forum really reward you with? It is not like you will NOT use the service until the point in time you can switch providers to replace TWC.

I guess I find it funny imaginging some angry poster(s) in this thread losing sleep at night due to being irate over Powerboost.

I mean we all have issues with RR, but not to the point where you are looking for a bridge to jump off of to end it all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20883359 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:02:55 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20883316 MacLeech :
said by Mele20 :

Plus, how dare TW cripple the software I paid good money for (MySpeed Advanced)? Visualware has said this is cunning ploy on TW's part to deny us the right to test our speed and get speed problems fixed.
ISPs upgrade their product and suddenly they're wrong because of inadequate testing methods by a 3rd party? Yeah... how does that make sense???

How about the speedtest providers UPGRADE THEIR TEST to better reflect the product the ISPs are offering? Why can't THEY fix THEIR test?

Make it so the test is longer and provides a graph of speed over time so users can see the peak speed and average speed. That way they can tell max speed caused by Powerboost and average speed due to actual provisioned bandwidth.

...or shall ISPs not upgrade their product because a 3rd party speed test can't handle it? Good thing they upgraded the tests to measure faster then dial-up speeds... 1200 baud sucks.

For example... The guys in the Optimum Online forum created a FTP test YEARS ago because all of these flash and java tests weren't good enough, they didn't test long enough or use a big enough file among other things. They still have it available today. They didn't blame OOL, they fixed the test. Adelphia had done the same before being bought out...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20883316 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:54:16 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20882931 Rombus : Any speed test is unreliable if its not testing for very long.

Do you think companies test fiber links using a 10 second burst of data?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20882931 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:35:28 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20882431 Mele20 : I don't use a web based HTTP test. I use a socket to socket test. HTTP tests are unreliable.

You must know that forums are a place for those who are not happy with whatever service, etc. they have. The happy ones, usually also the ignorant ones, (and that is why they are happy) don't come to forums to post. This forum is no different that those of other ISPs forums here.
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ITs not some "FAKE" Increase, the data is getting to your computer faster.

All a company needs to do is make a speedtest that averages over 1 or 2 min and you will get a proper result!

You know what, i give up. I do. This thread, in its singularity, is the perfect example of what is wrong with DSLReports. You guys wont be happy unless you have a fiber connection into your home, free of charge, with unlimited bandwidth and no cap. Guess what, your precious speedtests would not work then either, since it would be too fast for most web based tests. Would it matter to you all though? Of course not, since you have the bragging rights of a free fiber connection to your home.

Time Warner Cable could include a crisp $20 in the monthly bill every month and someone on DSLR would:
Complain it was not enough and they should get more
Complain it was too much and they should get less
Complain that they should just take the $20 off the bill
Complain that they should get more since they have X service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20882385 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:51:49 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20882310 Mele20 : You think taking away my right to determine if I have speed problems (which I ALWAYS have....but sometimes not as bad as other times) is fine and dandy? SHIT. The ONLY reason TW is pulling this crap is to stop users from being able to ask for a truck roll for speed problems. Only a naive idiot would welcome this thinly veiled attempt to deny us any recourse when our speed is bad. I have many years records of my speed tests. I can currently PROVE how bad RR is. I won't be able to do that with this shit that you think I should like. It is pure shibai and TW has just proven themselves to be the WORST of the broadband providers...right up there with Crapcast.

With this crap I won't be able to see the QOS which is the most important aspect of a good speed test. Plus, how dare TW cripple the software I paid good money for (MySpeed Advanced)? Visualware has said this is cunning ploy on TW's part to deny us the right to test our speed and get speed problems fixed. Now I know why Oceanic TW recently dropped Visualware's MySpeed as the speed test for Hawaii RR users in favor of a totally junk test. I'd like to say TO HELL WITH A CRAP SERVICE LIKE TW but TW has a monoply in Hawaii and dsl is not available to me or I would have switched a long time ago.This is the WORST thing TW could possibly pull on its users. It shows TOTAL DISDAIN for the users. Give me a REAL speed increase ...not a fake one that makes it impossible for me to know what my speed really is. This is so despicable that it amazes me that ANYONE could argue that we should like it.
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Time Warner is giving you a FREE (read: YOU AREN'T PAYING EXTRA FOR IT) temporary speed boost. Yet you all whine?

It helps small files and streaming content, you know, like your normal day to day surfing. Streaming Content will start quicker, since the powerboost will fill the buffer faster.

Will it not help large downloads? Of course not, that's why you have the turbo service.

Will it break speed tests? Of course, since speed tests themselves are inherently flawed. It does not average your speed over a larger amount of time, they usually are only a 5-30 second snapshot of your speed. I mean, short of verifying your provisioned right, and as an indicator of speed issues, what else do speedtests do? make your epeen feel bigger?

This will make your day to day browsing faster for free, and yet you guys just sit there and bitch about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20882248 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:08:02 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20882060 Mele20 :
said by netgear See Profile :

Because, by far the majority of people do not need continuous 25 Mbps download speeds. That is the bottom line.

A "Powerboost" product allows VOD efficiency as well as the occasional large file download.

Rightly so, a "Powerboost" product does not benefit leeches, freeloaders & cheapskates. Those customers, in the eyes of a growing number of ISPs, are reducing broadband performance for the masses.

Simple stuff.
If people don't need 25mbps down then why is Oceanic offering 100mbps/100mbps on this island NOW in one area and more areas before the end of the year?

Powerboost is crap and I hope we don't get it. Even with my lowly standard speed, I want to see my speed on MySpeed Advanced that I bought and I run on a regular basis in the background with testing however many minutes apart I set it for. I don't want powerboost interfering with my speed tests.

If TW is providing 100/100 NOW to some areas they should be able to provide it to all. But that is too much speed plus the monthly cost to the user would be too high for most users. I don't need that extreme amount of speed. But my point is powerboost is silly junk when I know some folks on this island are getting 100/100. I think those of on this island not being offered 100/100 this year should be offered something better than speedboost. Standard should be upped to at least 10/1 and Turbo to 15/2 and Turbo Extreme to 30/2.
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And what was your first clue on this and how long did it take for you to realize that is all it is intended to be?

The first time I heard of this, I couldn't believe how lame the idea even sounded. I wouldn't want to be paying for "bursts." Just give me a good, constant/consistant speed.
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west lanscaster,CA/palmdale,CA FIOS

East lanscaster,CA/palmdale,CA att-usuckk

the CMTS is in lanscaster]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881974 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:55:56 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881968 Pizz : according to my 'source' yes, if you're in heavy fios penetration. I know that NYC is seeing its plants being upgraded at a very high pace.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881968 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:51:00 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881966 Anonymous_ :
said by Pizz See Profile :

Powerboost is for Residential Lines only - It will not be applied to the business class connections. this is directly from a business class rep here in New York City.

but to add further into this 'Powerboost' fiasco - I really dont care, how they improve their network. If Powerboost does it, im all for it. But i seriously doubt this will be it, in terms of what we'll be seeing.

A 'friend' told me - Heavy FIOS Competition markets, will be the first to see Docsis 3.0 based gear. As the CMTSes have been ordered and just await for vendors to distribute them, goes for the modem vendors as well.

I wonder if this is true or not, i'm hoping others can chime on that?
so that means i will get Docsis 3.0 based gear

soon ?

west side has it but there is one CMTS in the area]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881966 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:48:33 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881682 Pizz : Powerboost is for Residential Lines only - It will not be applied to the business class connections. this is directly from a business class rep here in New York City.

but to add further into this 'Powerboost' fiasco - I really dont care, how they improve their network. If Powerboost does it, im all for it. But i seriously doubt this will be it, in terms of what we'll be seeing.

A 'friend' told me - Heavy FIOS Competition markets, will be the first to see Docsis 3.0 based gear. As the CMTSes have been ordered and just await for vendors to distribute them, goes for the modem vendors as well.

I wonder if this is true or not, i'm hoping others can chime on that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881682 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:39:07 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881417 Xizer : Does this apply to all business classes or are the "business class lites" like Home Business Class going to get Powerboost?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881417 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:07:11 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881332 hobgoblin : "I'm hoping my type of connection won't get this power boost mess, that's just my thoughts on the whole thing."

You will be happy.

It won't.

Hob
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881332 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:47:53 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881289 kd6cae : Leeches, freeloaders and Cheapskates huh? I can't help but wonder which of those classes I fall in to, since I'm paying for TWC business class 15/2 service. I got this service, which will cost me $118.95 for the next 2 years, mainly for upload purposes, as I do off site file backup of large files. Many of these files are in fact mp3s, and large CD images among others. Is there something wrong with wanting to back these files up remotely, and wanting a decent internet connection to do it with, not some half baked power boosted solution? I'm hoping my type of connection won't get this power boost mess, that's just my thoughts on the whole thing. Either provide better speeds permanently or not at all. I'm happy with what I'm getting right now however, though I do pay plenty for this speed that others pay much less for, for example users on FIOS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881289 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:39:49 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880821 Xizer :
said by netgear See Profile :

said by kd6cae See Profile :

[...] If you're going to increase speed, make it permanent. Why have a powerboosted download that looks like it'll take just 3 minutes when in fact it's going to take 6 minutes or more for example once the speed drops backed to provisioned rates{?} [...]
Because, by far the majority of people do not need continuous 25 Mbps download speeds. That is the bottom line.

A "Powerboost" product allows VOD efficiency as well as the occasional large file download.

Rightly so, a "Powerboost" product does not benefit leeches, freeloaders & cheapskates. Those customers, in the eyes of a growing number of ISPs, are reducing broadband performance for the masses.

Simple stuff.
"Leeches, freeloaders and cheapskates"? Are you referring to heavy bandwidth users? I use my connection every month and pay for it, thank you very much.

Also, major ISPs only pay 2 cents per gigabyte. Even if someone downloaded over 1,000 GB in a month, which is entirely reasonable, they would only be costing their ISP $20 that month. Chances are, if they're using that much bandwidth in a month, they're already paying their ISP three times that amount to subscribe to their services.

It is difficult, even for someone who is running their connection 24/7 using their full rated speed, to actually cost an ISP money in terms of bandwidth cost.

This whole "bandwidth shortage" is a manufactured famine. This is why nations which actually have proper infrastructure and ISPs that aren't focused solely on profiting as much as possible while providing as little value as possible like Norway, Sweden, Japan and South Korea have such impressive Internet connectivity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880821 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:11:08 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880794 Anonymous_ :
said by netgear See Profile :

said by kd6cae See Profile :

[...] If you're going to increase speed, make it permanent. Why have a powerboosted download that looks like it'll take just 3 minutes when in fact it's going to take 6 minutes or more for example once the speed drops backed to provisioned rates{?} [...]
Because, by far the majority of people do not need continuous 25 Mbps download speeds. That is the bottom line.

A "Powerboost" product allows VOD efficiency as well as the occasional large file download.

Rightly so, a "Powerboost" product does not benefit leeches, freeloaders & cheapskates. Those customers, in the eyes of a growing number of ISPs, are reducing broadband performance for the masses.

Simple stuff.
Comcast permaboost worked on torrents

well in WA anyways]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880794 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:06:47 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880596 netgear :
said by kd6cae See Profile :

[...] If you're going to increase speed, make it permanent. Why have a powerboosted download that looks like it'll take just 3 minutes when in fact it's going to take 6 minutes or more for example once the speed drops backed to provisioned rates{?} [...]
Because, by far the majority of people do not need continuous 25 Mbps download speeds. That is the bottom line.

A "Powerboost" product allows VOD efficiency as well as the occasional large file download.

Rightly so, a "Powerboost" product does not benefit leeches, freeloaders & cheapskates. Those customers, in the eyes of a growing number of ISPs, are reducing broadband performance for the masses.

Simple stuff.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880596 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:28:11 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880373 salwit : 24m/1.5m Road runner salwit @ Brockport, NY USA NYC, NY, USA 2nd 09:15 AM Road runner
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880373 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:40:29 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880254 kd6cae : Here are my own thoughts on powerboost. If you're going to increase speed, make it permanent. Why have a powerboosted download that looks like it'll take just 3 minutes when in fact it's going to take 6 minutes or more for example once the speed drops backed to provisioned rates.
I'd expect that my provisioned speed should be the maximum speed I'd receive. If say a 6mbit tier gets powerboosted to 12mbit, then my speedtests will show me able to achieve 12mbit when in fact that's not at all would I'd get in the long term. PowerBoost provides a sense of false hope if you will, since you think that you have more speed than you do when you run a test.
Why not just upgrade everyone to the speeds you want Powerboost to reflect so it's permanent? I know if I'm uploading something and I have upload powerboost, I'll think great this will be done in no time, when in fact that's not the case. Just upgrade speeds, especially the upstream, rather than teasing us! Others can do it, why can't TWC?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880254 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:14:22 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879522 netgear : For the most part, you're paying for upload bandwidth in that package. I've got the 10/1, because apparently they don't offer the higher rate package in our market. Looks like there's commensurate product separation between our packages. I wouldn't feel too bad. :)

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879522 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:48:48 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879500 Rombus : You guys do realize that the speed tests are JUST numbers?! Your overall speed will still be better with someone with a lower package, just not over the first X seconds of a download. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879500 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:44:08 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879337 Pizz :
said by RoadRunner79 See Profile :

My echo in here is that I feel cheated that I'm in the PLG 15/2 and people with 10/1 packages are getting the same results as me. I feel ripped off but again their are alot of factors that will effect speeds but I should still be a ways apart from 10/1 users.


I 100% agree with you. I have Turbo here in NYC - and the only thing i have more is 200ish more upload.

I hope they'll throw us premium/turbo/extreme etc.. tier people a bone, when docsis 3.0 comes out hopefully :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879337 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:09:17 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879189 RoadRunner79 : My echo in here is that I feel cheated that I'm in the PLG 15/2 and people with 10/1 packages are getting the same results as me. I feel ripped off but again their are alot of factors that will effect speeds but I should still be a ways apart from 10/1 users.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879189 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:44:38 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877771 Rombus : @Dareius is quite correct!

What do you do most with your connect? Most likely web surfing.

Web surfing is just a bunch of short small file transfers, that should benefit greatly from power boost. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877771 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:40:59 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877527 Dareius : The problem is, a majority of forum patrons have become too attached to the speed tests as if the results from them are the final definitive of the customer's actual internet speed. People who cannot see outside the box for a minute will think Powerboost is a complete waste without looking at the bigger picture.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877527 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:45:37 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877389 Reinvent3d :
said by Xizer See Profile :

said by Reinvent3d See Profile :

You DO know that you are limited on websites due to THEIR OWN upload right? Not every single host can upload at 15 Mbps, and if they did, then they'd have to have a huge infrastructure just to support all those concurrent users.
Exactly which is why a 30 Mbps little "powerboost" that lasts for 10 seconds is worthless when I can't even get my sustained 15 Mbps anyway.

It screws up speedtests which is incredibly annoying.
Even though it's using packet bursting to a degree, why are you running speedtests all the time? It's not cheating, nor is it useful to REALLY measure where your speeds should be at.

I think you missed the point of powerboost, which was to help download large files off the internet. You simply just aren't doing that with a speedtest. If the powerboost is useless, and you aren't getting your 15 Mbps sustained in normal operation for actual huge file downloads, then something is wrong on your end. It's not the bursts at all.

And heck, again...I will say it once more. Not every host is capable of uploading a full 15 Mbps to EACH and EVERY user that connects.

But if you are still arguing that it's worthless, then maybe you should switch to the standard tier or something. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877389 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:15:01 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877064 Dareius : It's better than nothing at all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877064 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:14:54 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876365 Cthen :
said by Steve Mehs See Profile :

Geeze, people will complain about anything I guess...
Lol you think that's bad, you should have seen how many people bitched in the Comcast forums when they got something for free! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876365 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:53:19 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876350 Xizer :
said by Reinvent3d See Profile :

You DO know that you are limited on websites due to THEIR OWN upload right? Not every single host can upload at 15 Mbps, and if they did, then they'd have to have a huge infrastructure just to support all those concurrent users.
Exactly which is why a 30 Mbps little "powerboost" that lasts for 10 seconds is worthless when I can't even get my sustained 15 Mbps anyway.

It screws up speedtests which is incredibly annoying.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876350 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:42:34 EDT Re: Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876319 Steve Mehs : Geeze, people will complain about anything I guess...
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That's why you get a typical 1 MB/sec or less from regular sites and what not. Lots of users to send information to.

The reason torrents and usenet does so well is because it's multiple peers. If there weren't multiple peers (ie, only 1), you'd be getting the same, if not significantly less than a standard website download.

So really, in standard applications, you can't really max it out unless you use peering of some sort to fully use it all. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876154 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:36:38 EDT Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876078 Xizer : Where do all you guys plan on downloading at 3.8 MB/sec anyway?

I am rarely able to get my 15 Mbps rated speed outside of Usenet or extremely well seeded torrents. Occasionally, companies like Microsoft have fast enough servers.

Is there a way to get around this speed test cheater?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876078 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:44:24 EDT