p2pnet
join:2007-04-14
Lake Cowichan, BC | New Bell Canada throttling plan
From Ottawa Gal:
New Bell Canada throttling plan: Goodbye DSL, Hello mini-Bells - »www.p2pnet.net/story/16560
Cheers!
Jon (p2pnet.net) |
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HoboJ
join:2008-03-27
Trenton, ON
 ·voip.ms
 ·Cogeco Cable
| So anyone that signs up before a certain date wont be affected? Where have I heard this one before...  (hint sympatico unlimited)
From a business standpoint though Bell is going to suck every ounce of money they can get from the consumer to stay afloat. The teachers pension plan buyout of BCE isn't going to be fun for anyone, especially us.  |
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chromiumdr
join:2007-11-21
Richmond Hill, ON | reply to p2pnet
Purely unacceptable. Looks like we'll have to continue fighting tooth and nail... |
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matt_m
Premium
join:2007-04-07
Ottawa, ON | reply to p2pnet
never ceases to amaze me... |
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Gnaraktol
join:2008-03-18
Gatineau, QC
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
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WOW, I can't believe bell's business model, they want to remain a monopoly thats for sure, they don't want competition, hence the caps they are trying to force on 3rd parties....
I think the next fight should go to court and not CRTC... this last move HAS to be illegal... the amount of data that passes through a pipe is irrelevant to them, they may have an argument about the speeds because pipes can only handle so much at a time - and that's what their fight at the CRTC is about, but total bandwidth passing in a month is ridiculous... this last one is not about congestion, it's about control/monopolizing... |
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beamer69
join:2007-05-10
Burnaby, BC
| said by Gnaraktol  :WOW, I can't believe bell's business model What business model? They don't really have one. If they did they would compete with independent ISPs. Instead there business model is we will stay the same and force everyone to play by our rules  |
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Maynard G Krebs
@teksavvy.com | reply to p2pnet
Shadow Billing???
To whom?
I am not a Bell customer, never have been, never will be. |
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ragingwolf
join:2003-04-22
Nepean, ON | reply to p2pnet
Wow... wouldn't this just be slightly illegal? |
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Radar73
join:2008-01-20
Ajax, ON
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I'm a little confused how Bell can implement a cap on end users of GAS. We're not their customers, the ISPs are. Are they going to cap Teksavvy to 60G/month? I don't understand how Bell thinks they can cap customers of independent ISPs. It's so wrong. It's rediculous. It's anticompetetive. It's all kinds of things. It's clear that Bell is doing everything it can to get rid of the competition, or by making the competition irrelevant as compared to Sympatico. I don't see how the various regulatory boards, bureaus, etc can just sit by when a monopoly behaves this way ... but I'm sure they will.
This crap will only get settled by a law suit by the members of CAIP. The government and private groups certainly won't be able to get Bell to back down. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| said by Radar73 :I don't see how the various regulatory boards, bureaus, etc can just sit by when a monopoly behaves this way ... but I'm sure they will. I've said this in several posts, when there are $Millions at stake do not underestimate the power and greed of the Telco's.
I'm sure that more surprises are still yet to come. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to p2pnet
said by p2pnet :From Ottawa Gal: New Bell Canada throttling plan: Goodbye DSL, Hello mini-Bells - » www.p2pnet.net/story/16560Cheers! Jon (p2pnet.net) This will not stick if we have anything to say about it, we may not win the throttling but if the CRTC rules in favor of this, not only will it set a bad precedent but I can almost guarantee a revolt for Bell.
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"If bullshit was money this guy would be richer that Bill Gates." - quote by olebiker on Mirko Bibic |
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costs to fight
@videotron.ca
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said by Stewy :I'm sure that more surprises are still yet to come. Bell needs to only continue this crap. The wholesale ISP's don't have unlimited budgets to continue fighting where-as Bell does.
if it continues Bell will in effect beat the wholesale ISP's into place by hitting them in the pocket-book. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
2 edits | reply to mlerner
said by mlerner :if the CRTC rules in favor of this, not only will it set a bad precedent but I can almost guarantee a revolt for Bell. it's more than that, It would make the same DSL service from Bell cheaper, this would kill indy ISP's period.
"We could very well be seeing the start of their demise and the end of a business model under which fair competition is the standard."
"I do have a duty as minister of industry to protect the interests of the consuming public when necessary," Jim (noclue) Prentice.
ATM Fees going from .85 cents to $5 - No minister required
The possible demise of wholesale ISP's - No minister required
Being charged .15 cents for incoming txt msg's - Minister urgently required to protect the interest of the consuming public.
What a joke. |
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TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON | reply to p2pnet
So being as I'm already a tek costumer I can keep my unlimited then? Mind you the idea still blows. |
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then what
@videotron.ca
| said by TOPDAWG :So being as I'm already a tek costumer I can keep my unlimited then? But for how long? I doubt it will be grandfathered for years.
...and once unlimited is eliminated then what? Succomb to bells policies even though you are not a customer of them?
...succomb to the same policies that you left bell for and went to teksavvy? |
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mazhurg
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·MTS
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...and once unlimited is eliminated then what? Succomb to bells policies even though you are not a customer of them?
...succomb to the same policies that you left bell for and went to teksavvy?
Never been with Bell in the first place; never will be. If this is, in the end, forcing me to be a sub-subject of the great Bell, then I'll either call it quits, or ....
Darn.
I quit cable here in the first place because it was 1) oversubscribed, and 2) had horrible latencies for on-line gaming.
No wireless available... well the neighbours but it does not count. |
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MisawaGQ
Divi Filius
Premium
join:2002-12-19
Mississauga
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If insanity prevails, and Bell is allowed to do this without CRTC approval, the fact that unlimited will be initially grandfathered gives some temporary reprieve while the CAIP goes through the long, bureaucratic process of petitioning the CRTC. It's still a grossly unethical and illegal action, but at least it's not a 100% disaster (more like 99%  )
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"Let them hate, so long as they fear" -- Lucius Accius |
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Radar73
join:2008-01-20
Ajax, ON
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Is this interconnect where Bell plans on implementing it's caps covered under GAS? -- or is this a separate issue that is only a contract agreement between the ISPs and Bell that Bell is allowed to alter when current contracts expire?
Seems to me that if this isn't covered under GAS, then Bell can do what it wants. If the CRTC really want to foster competition in DSL access, then this area too they must regulate (and better then they do with GAS). |
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MisawaGQ
Divi Filius
Premium
join:2002-12-19
Mississauga
1 edit | Pretty sure this is a GAS issue. From what I can tell, they want to impose caps based on the bandwidth that is used from the end user, up until the AHSSPI links to the individual ISP's location (ISPs have specific agreements with Bell to provide them with the AHSSPI links, and they already pay for these links based on the throughput they provide). What makes this so absurd is that the ISPs already pay Bell for the right to use that portion of the network. Not only that, but the rate was regulated to be something that would provide a healthy profit to Bell. Not that I think this move is primarily based on finances, but it still makes it ridiculous.
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"Let them hate, so long as they fear" -- Lucius Accius |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to MisawaGQ
said by MisawaGQ :the fact that unlimited will be initially grandfathered gives some temporary reprieve while the CAIP goes through the long, bureaucratic process of petitioning the CRTC. Unlike Bell the CAIP don't have unlimited funds or resources, this is the start of a what Bell hopes to be a short beating and bludgeoning process aimed to punish the competition into total annihilation for daring to put forward a better competitive business model.
Grandfathered will mean nothing if your ISP is forced to go out of business so just forget about it.
When you cut into the Bellano's turf you better expect some drive-by's as a lesson. The msg is clear, you can either leave peacefully or it can get ugly, and your seeing the ugly. |
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