 ninjatutle Premium
join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA | This is alarming 20% of all traffic consist of illegal activity.
All those users lost to Comcast must be the heavy users. Good news for the rest of the legit users. | |
|
  aciddrink
join:2000-08-26 Kailua, HI
·Hawaiian Telcom
| Re: This is alarming said by ninjatutle :20% of all traffic consist of illegal activity. 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot. | |
|
 |   hopeflicker Capitalism breeds greed Premium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA
| Re: This is alarming said by aciddrink :said by ninjatutle :20% of all traffic consist of illegal activity. 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot. and 50% of users pull numbers out of their ass without posting links to their claims.  -- Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. | |
|
 |  |  cornelius785
join:2006-10-26 Worcester, MA | Re: This is alarming with 98% confidence that 90% of the people reading will believe it | |
|
 |  |   avd706 insert annoying animated gif here Premium join:2003-02-06 Union, NJ | There are There are lies, dammed lies and statistics... | |
|
 |  |  |   backfeed is giving feedback
join:2002-12-16 Peru, IN | Re: There are Mark Twain??  | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |
 |  |   ninjatutle Premium
join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
1 edit | Re: This is alarming RTFA
"about 1/3 Web (non video/audio streams), 1/3 Web video/audio streams, and 1/5 P2P." | |
|
 |  |  |   hopeflicker Capitalism breeds greed Premium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA
| Re: This is alarming said by ninjatutle :RTFA " about 1/3 Web (non video/audio streams), 1/3 Web video/audio streams, and 1/5 P2P." And you believe what they say?  -- Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. | |
|
 |  |  |  |   ninjatutle Premium
join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA 1 edit | Re: This is alarming IDK, ask Karl Bode , he was the person who posted it. Why don't you question his character? | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |   hopeflicker Capitalism breeds greed Premium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA
| Re: This is alarming Ummm, ATT claims this:
AT&T says that as of June, AT&T traffic was about 1/3 Web (non video/audio streams), 1/3 Web video/audio streams, and 1/5 P2P.
so i ask again, do you believe this? -- Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |   ninjatutle Premium
join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Re: This is alarming Again, I will refer you to Mr. Karl Bode if you feel his reporting is inadequate or the integrity of his linked reports are inaccurate.
This is going in circles..... | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |   FLengineer Premium join:2007-06-26 Leesburg, FL 1 edit | That sounds about right to me. But, I'm lost in the convo here, are you saying that P2P = illegal?
EDIT: Question is to ninjatutle | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |   ninjatutle Premium
join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
1 edit | Re: This is alarming I'm not buying the endless Linux disto downloads, World Of War patches and home movies to grandmother so yes, ILLEGAL material is being passed.
You know very well as with everyone here, what P2P is mainly used for.
EDIT: Reply to Flenginear | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   pspcrazy Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06 San Diego, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: This is alarming Well what about Anime which is around 95 percent of my bittorrent downloads. Do you consider those illegal? Anime companies in the U.S can't touch anything other then the ones they licensed. They are not illegal unless licensed in the u.s thus not making them illegal. Then again each anime fan has his own idea on it. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  axus
join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: This is alarming Actually I believe we have some treaties with other countries protecting each others' copyrights:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pa···treaties
The anime companies just don't have an RIAA running around suing people and spreading the word that there's free stuff on the 'net. Probably to their benefit! | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  TheWizardhfl
join:2004-08-05
| See, you are a little misguided there. Anime when produced in japan is internationally copyrighted. And yes, they have pursued methods to put an end to some of the distribution. Media Factory Inc. is well known for their issuing of C&D orders to anime "fansubbers" and Bandai has issued warnings publicly in the past regarding specific title releases.. For the most part, anime fansubs tend to rest in a gray area. The majority of production companies simply choose to overlook the issue for various reasons ranging from lack of resources to fear of alienating their consumer base.
When an anime is licensed in the US, the most notable change in regards to the topic is that the US company who licensed the title locally has the right to file C&D orders and lawsuits against anyone distributing unauthorized releases of their titles online.
It's not about who has their own idea on the matter or not. It's a matter of it's still illegal either way. The only difference is who has the right to pursue the matter legally. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   Matt Take me down to the paradise city Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by ninjatutle :You know very well as with everyone here, what P2P is mainly used for. That is an unreasonable, tiresome, non-factual based argument. We all ASSUME we know what it is being used for. Just like up until this article was posted, you probably would have ASSUMED that P2P was the majority of internet traffic.
Until a study is done that proves that the majority of P2P traffic is illegal, I simply can't believe it and spewing the corporate line based on an assumption with no factual basis is asinine.
Too many other legit services use P2P. Hell, I just downloaded about 7GB of WoW downloads this past weekend for my neighbor via P2P.
The FACT that P2P use is declining while YouTube and Hulu (non-P2P video based distribution methods, just like Netflix online) are rising would lead one to believe that P2P video distribution services like Joost are losing viewers. Hulu is a much better product than Joost and the other P2P TV distributors. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  nasadude
join:2001-10-05 Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| said by ninjatutle :... You know very well as with everyone here, what P2P is mainly used for. Well, that's the "conventional wisdom" that the media companies and ILECs have been able to push into place. I have never seen any data to back this up, but if you scream something loud enough over and over and over, it can't help but sink into the consciousness of those not paying much attention (like the press, congress and 98% of the public).
and now there is evidence (although not trusted because it goes against the "conventional wisdom") that P2P use is declining - woe unto the ISPs! what will they use to scare us about bandwidth scarcity now? | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   ssj4android Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14 Wyoming, MI | What is counted as "peer to peer" traffic though? I'd think a majority of online gaming traffic is peer to peer, and that certainly isn't illegal. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| said by ssj4android :What is counted as "peer to peer" traffic though? I'd think a majority of online gaming traffic is peer to peer, and that certainly isn't illegal. I'm not sure what ninja was intending to communicate. Peer-to-peer is an architecture, another common architecture is client-server. Many IM and chat clients, online games, and VOIP applications make peer-to-peer connections.
Peer-to-peer is also often a verbal abbreviation of "Peer-to-peer file sharing." I think the statistics of 1/5th being P2P probably refers only to file sharing. The devices that measure such things don't really check to see if an end point is a server, instead they actually sniff the packets as they go by and figure out what known application protocols are being used within them.
So your gaming traffic is probably not included in the statistic, regardless if the architecture is peer-to-peer or client-server. If your game uses BitTorrent to do its updates, then only that part is counted in the "P2P" column and the rest of the data (move, aim, fire, character) would not be. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More fun, more features, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
| |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   Reck Havoc Premium join:2002-07-31 Grand Rapids, MI
| said by ssj4android :What is counted as "peer to peer" traffic though? I'd think a majority of online gaming traffic is peer to peer, and that certainly isn't illegal. Right, little ninja buddy thought it'd be clever to link wiki articles.. But he forgets fact, as seen through all his posts.
The entire Xbox 360 and most of the PS3 online games use a P2P network, where either one person is actually hosting the server, or where it's split between all the users upload equally. -- AMD Athlon 64 FX-53, 1GB Corsair XMS Dual Channel PC-4400 DDR,NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB, 160GB Seagate SATA - RAID 0, Windows XP Pro | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   Nightfall My Goal Is To Deny Yours Premium,MVM join:2001-08-03 Grand Rapids, MI
·Site5.com
·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast
| Re: This is alarming said by Reck Havoc :said by ssj4android :What is counted as "peer to peer" traffic though? I'd think a majority of online gaming traffic is peer to peer, and that certainly isn't illegal. Right, little ninja buddy thought it'd be clever to link wiki articles.. But he forgets fact, as seen through all his posts. The entire Xbox 360 and most of the PS3 online games use a P2P network, where either one person is actually hosting the server, or where it's split between all the users upload equally. Link? Source? | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   ssj4android Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14 Wyoming, MI
1 edit | Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Wii as well, which is the only system I've captured traffic for. Brawl seems to have one main game server, but in a three player game each player sends UDP packets to the other two. Indeed, most P2P file transfer applications use TCP, which is connection based and requires one node to be a server while the other is a client. Gaming usually uses UDP, which seems more like a "peer to peer" transport protocol to me, but does often use at least temporary host servers. In games like Halo 3, all peers maintain enough state information to become the host if the current one drops out. AFAIK, voice communication on Xbox LIVE is direct from one peer to all others.
There's also programs such as Joost. What is that counted as? | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
1 edit | Re: This is alarming said by ssj4android :most P2P file transfer applications use TCP, which [...] requires one node to be a server while the other is a client. I'm not sure what you mean here, but either way I work it out its inaccurate. TCP doesn't require one side to be server and the other to be client, and the very definition of P2P means that there is no server and no client. It may be a distinction without a difference, but it hit me funny. Gaming usually uses UDP, which seems more like a "peer to peer" transport protocol to me, Also, a case where one UDP has nothing to do with the P2P nature.
Think of TCP and UDP as languages.
TCP has already worked out rules of etiquette about who says what under what conditions, when to ask for information to repeated, and how to say hello and goodbye. TCP is fine for most uses, but sometimes it lack features you want or in the case of streaming video, it has features that you don't need.
UDP is a much looser language, where the UDP "syllables" can be used to create exactly the languages that you want. You can have the connectedness stateful nature of TCP without the retransmission request for a 10% bad packet, for example. Think of P2P or client-server as military ranks.
At some level, all hosts on the internet are peers but some peers have a central function -- e.g. they serve web pages, or answer file-transfer requests, or respond to other queries. These hosts are servers (masters) and the hosts that connect to them are clients (supplicants). That architecture is client-server. In a client-server arrangement, clients only connect through servers who arrange all of the processing and other communication. You have to follow the chain of command.
In a peer-to-peer architecture, there is no hierarchy. End-hosts communicate with other end-hosts directly and no central device is required. If there are communal processing tasks to be performed, this work is generally distributed among the peers somehow. There is no hierarchy. I hope that helps. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More fun, more features, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
| |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   ssj4android Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14 Wyoming, MI
| Re: This is alarming I know how TCP and UDP work, I just don't know what to consider a "server" (I like precise definitions). My logic is TCP requires one node (the server) to listen for a connection and another node (the client) to initiate the connection. But perhaps that's a faulty definition, as which node was the listening one is irrelevant in, say, bittorrent. The purest example of a p2p paradigm I can think of is a multicast chat program, where one node doesn't know and doesn't care how many other nodes are on the network. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| Re: This is alarming said by ssj4android :I know how TCP and UDP work, I just don't know what to consider a "server" (I like precise definitions). My logic is TCP requires one node (the server) to listen for a connection and another node (the client) to initiate the connection. But perhaps that's a faulty definition, as which node was the listening one is irrelevant in, say, bittorrent. The purest example of a p2p paradigm I can think of is a multicast chat program, where one node doesn't know and doesn't care how many other nodes are on the network. You are observing that most servers listen for incoming connections -- but that's common, not definitive. Who makes the connection and who listens is more of a function of how the end-points set up the communication channel, but client-server has more to do with centralization of actual work or resources.
To illustrate that it's the processing that is the chief consideration, consider the X-Server which connects outbound to X-client programs but since the terminal does the graphics processing, it is the server to the client applicaitons.
Here's one definition: »www.sei.cmu.edu/str/descriptions···ver.html -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More fun, more features, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
| |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  nocannothave
join:2006-10-14 Kennewick, WA | Of course illegal material is being passed.
So are concerts of taping/trading friendly bands, tv shows, etc.
So, 20% is not illegal. 20% is p2p. That's all you can say. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |   Amadeus Premium join:2005-05-02 Miami, FL | I do. I think all the ppl that used p2p on dsl networks changed over to other isp's like comcast, verizon and etc because the speeds. ATT dsl doesn't have speed -- Think Ahead. Learn More. Solve Now! | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  dentman42
join:2001-10-02 Columbus, OH
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: This is alarming said by Amadeus :I do. I think all the ppl that used p2p on dsl networks changed over to other isp's like comcast, verizon and etc because the speeds. ATT dsl doesn't have speed I have better bandwidth on my AT&T DSL than on my Road Runner. Even the top RR tier here only matches AT&T's Elite tier's upstream of 768k. I'm not going to pay $10 more per month for only 256k more upstream on RR. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   FLengineer Premium join:2007-06-26 Leesburg, FL | Re: This is alarming DSL vs. Cable is completely subjective to not only your market but your particular street. | |
|
 |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  See 21 replies to this post |
|
 |  |  |  bjbrock
join:2002-10-28 Mcalester, OK | Not all p2p traffic is illegal. A lot of it is legitimate file sharing. So your assumption is wrong and your numbers are wrong. | |
|
 |  |   pspcrazy Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06 San Diego, CA | With 100 percent confidence the post below me will be asking for another percentage. | |
|
 |  |  |
 |  |  |  See 8 replies to this post |
|
 |  |   Doctor Four My other vehicle is a TARDIS Premium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
| said by hopeflicker :said by aciddrink :said by ninjatutle :20% of all traffic consist of illegal activity. 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot. and 50% of users pull numbers out of their ass without posting links to their claims. That definitely applies to the poster in question (who said 20% of all traffic consist of illegal activity).
WOOP! WOOP! WOOP!
Anti-Piracy troll detected off the port bow, Captain! Your Orders, sir?"
"Fire main cannons, matey!" -- "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
| |
|
 |  |  |   ninjatutle Premium
join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA | Re: This is alarming As with commies, the only good pirate is a dead pirate.
You missed my battleship  | |
|
 |  |   mathwizkid
@bellsouth.net | 5/4ths of the people don't understand statistics | |
|
 |  |  |   one_bored_si
join:2003-03-10 Montebello, CA | Re: This is alarming lawl | |
|
 |  |
 deadzoned Premium join:2005-04-13 Baton Rouge, LA | What kind of Kool-Aid did you get to drink? Something good like Cherry or Grape? Hope it's good and that it is quenching that thirst of yours for corporate propaganda. | |
|
 |   hopeflicker Capitalism breeds greed Premium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA
| Re: This is alarming said by deadzoned :What kind of Kool-Aid did you get to drink? Something good like Cherry or Grape? Hope it's good and that it is quenching that thirst of yours for corporate propaganda. Probably thinks that borrowing book from the library , recording an episode of the Simpsons, or loaning the new Britney Spears CD to a friend is piracy too. -- Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. | |
|
  Bellundo
@teksavvy.com | Who cares? People who make crank phone calls from pay phones pay their 25 cents the same as someone who makes a normal phone call pays. | |
|
  ninjatutle Premium
join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA | A simple search on google yielded those results  | |
|
 |   funchords Hello Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| Re: This is alarming Yeah, and I'm sure you picked it because isoHunt is so heavily trafficked by legal P2P users. C'mon. Don't be lazy. Use a real source.
Actually, what if I conceded the point and said that most P2P is probably still some kind of copyright infringement, despite recent trends? So what? | |
|
 |
|
 |