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Re: This is alarming
P2P = Illegal ??
Yes some of it is, some of it isn't. I bet you also think all Muslims are terrorist, too.
»www.bittorrent.com/
»revision3.com/
»beta.legaltorrents.com/
May Fav »torrentfreak.com/sundance-winner···torrent/
That's a good movie and was released on P2P by the producers.
You say all P2P is Illegal, I just provided proof that P2P is NOT Illegal. Revise your statement to Sharing Copyrighted material VIA P2P is Illegal.
EDIT: You mentioned World of Warcraft being insignificant.
2.5M players in North America.
2.4.0 patch distributed via P2P a week in advance was 256.11MB
That's 91.5TB A DAY |
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bjbrock
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Not all p2p traffic is illegal. A lot of it is legitimate file sharing. So your assumption is wrong and your numbers are wrong. |
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ninjatutle
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Quit insulting everyone's intelligence on this site. Obtaining movies and music illegally is what one does when they fire up their torrent app. |
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said by Amadeus  :I do. I think all the ppl that used p2p on dsl networks changed over to other isp's like comcast, verizon and etc because the speeds. ATT dsl doesn't have speed I have better bandwidth on my AT&T DSL than on my Road Runner. Even the top RR tier here only matches AT&T's Elite tier's upstream of 768k. I'm not going to pay $10 more per month for only 256k more upstream on RR. |
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See, you are a little misguided there. Anime when produced in japan is internationally copyrighted. And yes, they have pursued methods to put an end to some of the distribution. Media Factory Inc. is well known for their issuing of C&D orders to anime "fansubbers" and Bandai has issued warnings publicly in the past regarding specific title releases.. For the most part, anime fansubs tend to rest in a gray area. The majority of production companies simply choose to overlook the issue for various reasons ranging from lack of resources to fear of alienating their consumer base.
When an anime is licensed in the US, the most notable change in regards to the topic is that the US company who licensed the title locally has the right to file C&D orders and lawsuits against anyone distributing unauthorized releases of their titles online.
It's not about who has their own idea on the matter or not. It's a matter of it's still illegal either way. The only difference is who has the right to pursue the matter legally. |
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FLengineer
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DSL vs. Cable is completely subjective to not only your market but your particular street. |
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said by ninjatutle :Quit insulting everyone's intelligence on this site. Obtaining movies and music illegally is what one does when they fire up their torrent app. Please show me the numbers you used to come up with all of that. Wait, you can't. So please do go troll somewhere else and quit wasting everyone's time here. People inclduing myself have shown multiple applications, uses, and 110% legal uses, but yet you keep with the same mantra everytime P2P is mentioned on the front page.
Go bother some other site, kiddie. |
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ninjatutle
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Show some numbers where the majority it not nearly all of P2P traded material is not illegal content? |
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| said by ninjatutle :Show some numbers where the majority it not nearly all of P2P traded material is not illegal content? I never said it's not being used for some illegal content, now did I? You are the one who is saying that the 20% constitutes piracy.
Of course it is being used for nefarious purposes. I never doubted that. But you assume that P2P = piracy which is not true.
Hell, even Redi Whip whipped cream can be used in ways it wasn't intended. But I am not going to say all dairy products are evil. |
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Take one look at what the top search results are on BT search engines and you'll see that the mass of traffic is illegal. And so what if it is. Before BT it was Kazaa, before that Napster, before that Usenet...and after BT it will be something else.
The ISPs and content creators will NEVER defeat piracy and in their efforts all they do is piss off legit users of their services or products. |
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said by ninjatutle :You know very well as with everyone here, what P2P is mainly used for. That is an unreasonable, tiresome, non-factual based argument. We all ASSUME we know what it is being used for. Just like up until this article was posted, you probably would have ASSUMED that P2P was the majority of internet traffic.
Until a study is done that proves that the majority of P2P traffic is illegal, I simply can't believe it and spewing the corporate line based on an assumption with no factual basis is asinine.
Too many other legit services use P2P. Hell, I just downloaded about 7GB of WoW downloads this past weekend for my neighbor via P2P.
The FACT that P2P use is declining while YouTube and Hulu (non-P2P video based distribution methods, just like Netflix online) are rising would lead one to believe that P2P video distribution services like Joost are losing viewers. Hulu is a much better product than Joost and the other P2P TV distributors. |
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One question. You say most torrents are illegal? Ok, I'll give you that. The question is, why do you care? I mean, if you're not doing anything illegal, it doesn't affect you? Who are you to say what someone else does with their connection? If you are complaining about the BANDWIDTH they use, well, it's not their fault. They are USING WHAT THEY WERE SOLD. If you have a legitimate grievance, complain to comcrap for selling more than they can provide. Tell comcrap to LOWER THE SPEEDS, that solves everyone problem.
So again, why is piracy such a problem for you. It doesn't affect you in any way. Oh, wait, you're a musician? Guess what, piracy doesn't affect your sales. A pirated copy != sold copy, simple as that.
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said by ninjatutle :Quit insulting everyone's intelligence on this site. Obtaining movies and music illegally is what one does when they fire up their torrent app. Translation: Your factual rebuttals and evidence won't sway me from insisting that you're wrong, anyway.
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CHILD PORN WEBSITES!!!!!!!
BAN HTTP..... wait umm yea HTTP = Illegal!!!!! |
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said by ninjatutle :... You know very well as with everyone here, what P2P is mainly used for. Well, that's the "conventional wisdom" that the media companies and ILECs have been able to push into place. I have never seen any data to back this up, but if you scream something loud enough over and over and over, it can't help but sink into the consciousness of those not paying much attention (like the press, congress and 98% of the public).
and now there is evidence (although not trusted because it goes against the "conventional wisdom") that P2P use is declining - woe unto the ISPs! what will they use to scare us about bandwidth scarcity now? |
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Just about 100 percent of P2P file sharing takes place on the Transport Control Protocol (TCP) protocol. You could solve the Internet piracy problem if you got that protocol banned.
In fact, IP addresses are really responsible for this. What do we all need individual IP addresses for, anyway? With no IP addresses, there are no peers. We can all be the client to one big server.
And we really don't need all these duplicate servers, they just take up extra bandwidth and provide us with superfluous choices. We just need one of everything.
Hey, how about an Internet where we just typed what we want, such as "GO TRAVEL" or maybe just a keyword, "TRAVEL," where the Internet's official travel agency took care of us all.
Ah yes, the perfect Internet.
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| That's not my logic -- I don't support any of those ideas.
The Internet connects people, and people are going to do what people are going to do. They're like people that way.
Trying to use technology to control what people do is simply wrong, and the only reasons to spy on what people do (e.g. using DPI to come up with AT&T's figures) is to try to change it or monetize it somehow.
Managing the ISP doesn't require knowing what programs people are running. AT&T should shut up and ship my bits without inspecting them or interfering with them.
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said by ninjatutle :Show some numbers where the majority it not nearly all of P2P traded material is not illegal content? "majority"
"nearly all"
These are keywords you missed on your first post when you suggested that all P2P is illegal. My personal opinion since there is no real data I am saying I WOULD GUESS it's probably around half legal and half illegal data if not a little more illegal than legal. However, attacking the P2P protocol which has serious advantages over other protocols is not the way to fight piracy. |
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