Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20877964 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:10:47 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:10:47 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20882201 drjp81 : Don't try your little semantic manipulations on me, mister. It won't work. We as humans, regardless of the language, when communicating, whether by peaking or writing, have to use a certain convention the usage of words, otherwise, up will end-up being down, east will be west. You want to get technical with me? How's this:

When "the rest of the world" says "download" it means to not only have the more bits and bytes in the downstream than upstream (yes, while "downloading", we are also always "uploading"), it is usually to determine if there will be an archival save of the said data on some form of physical media for retrieval in the future (hard drives, cd, dvd etc).

Furthermore "when you go online" is also misused. Most people that watch youtube are "always online" as their network connection is in one way or another, seldom ever severed. But you seem to equate going online to firing up your web browser.

Again, this is not clear and further demonstrates your poor usage of the english language, that according to you, I should have a lesser handle of, because of where I write from. What's your excuse? (rhetorical, please don't answer)

Your comment in that instance is akin to a redneck's level and borders on racism (based on geography) of all things. And this is the 21st century (if you hadn't noticed), there is no more room for that kind of intolerance.

So the usage of the word download, was erroneous without further clarification on your part and you know it, you're just being a PITA.

You have also completely sidestepped the throttling issue, I have noticed.
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said by drjp81 See Profile :

said by munky99999 See Profile :

I'm fine with throttling also if it was indiscriminate. So even those people downloading youtube is shut down to 30kb/s

Wholesellers arent throttled at all because they are sold bandwidth...
Youtube isn't a download service but rather a real time streaming video service.

Bells wholesalers are throttled. Just read it in the teksaavy forum as well as Acanacs.

Get a clue
You see when you go ONLINE everything you do is DOWNLOADED. That is to say... you have to use bandwidth to download the videos and webpages.

So you are apparently quite ignorant of how the basics of the internet work.

Furthermore I was saying that the wholesellers shouldnt be throttled because bell is selling them bandwidth.

I'm sorry you're so ignorant that you dont understand the basics of how internet works and apparently dont even understand basic english. I notice you are in quebec so I guess that must be why.

So really it is you who needs to get a clue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881836 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:57:44 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881083 hottboiinnc : from what i understand Bell is limiting the bandwidth at the DSLAM before it even hits the backhaul. So they have ful control before it even hits the internet to the ISP. So having an alternative backhaul wouldn't work since they put the cap at the DSLAM.

They should just but DSLAMS in the COs and go from there. they shouldnt have to worry about being capped then since they would be considered a CLEC and not a Wholesale/Reseller ISP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881083 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:54:17 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880909 drjp81 :
said by munky99999 See Profile :

I'm fine with throttling also if it was indiscriminate. So even those people downloading youtube is shut down to 30kb/s

Wholesellers arent throttled at all because they are sold bandwidth...
Youtube isn't a download service but rather a real time streaming video service.

Bells wholesalers are throttled. Just read it in the teksaavy forum as well as Acanacs.

Get a clue
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said by munky99999 See Profile :

Actually throttling already is happening in the USA. The FCC just straightened that shit out though as far as I can tell. They are going to punish comcast for their crap. The other telcos are also going to be cleaning up real quick.
So now they go to caps, with overage fees so ridiculous it would be cheaper to have multiple accounts. I'd much rather have throttling. In fact I have no problem at all with QoS-type limiting during peak demand if it's really needed.
I'm fine with throttling also if it was indiscriminate. So even those people downloading youtube is shut down to 30kb/s

Wholesellers arent throttled at all because they are sold bandwidth.

When bell no longer has anyone using their service because of their shitty product... they'd be screwed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877807 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:46:52 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877743 MrMoody :
said by munky99999 See Profile :

Actually throttling already is happening in the USA. The FCC just straightened that shit out though as far as I can tell. They are going to punish comcast for their crap. The other telcos are also going to be cleaning up real quick.
So now they go to caps, with overage fees so ridiculous it would be cheaper to have multiple accounts. I'd much rather have throttling. In fact I have no problem at all with QoS-type limiting during peak demand if it's really needed.
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That's how it's done in the states most of the time AFAIK.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877683 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:21:36 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877508 munky99999 :
said by fatmanskinny See Profile :

"Now we will not only cap our direct customers, we will cap what our competition may offer."

Canada must be the testing ground for what is going to happen in the USA and other places. The walls are closing in and caps may begin to bleed over into business connectivity such as T1 / T3/ OCX lines.
Actually throttling already is happening in the USA. The FCC just straightened that shit out though as far as I can tell. They are going to punish comcast for their crap. The other telcos are also going to be cleaning up real quick.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877508 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:41:58 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877294 insomniac84 :
said by battleop See Profile :

BS! If you find me 500Gb for 50 cents or less delivered I will buy it right this very minute.
Are you saying this was a lie?
»Time Warner Cable Using Fine Print To Foist Caps On Customers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877294 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:59:01 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877242 openbox9 : First comparing cost of bandwidth in a datacenter and delivered via the last mile is apples and oranges. Second, have you pushed 5 TB with Dreamhost, because I seriously doubt you ever get 5 TB for $6/mth in a shared hosting plan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877242 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:49:38 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877049 karlmarx : www.dreamhost.com
5TB of transfers, $5.95/month. That's $.60 cents per 500 GB. Close enough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20877049 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:10:41 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876991 battleop : BS! If you find me 500Gb for 50 cents or less delivered I will buy it right this very minute. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876991 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:01:39 EDT Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876953 insomniac84 : It doesn't make any sense. The prices of all services always included the price of bandwidth. Because bandwidth is cheap. 500gigs only costs 50 cents or less.
It just seems ISPs are going to follow the oil model. When you control supply, make it sparse to justify charging a ridiculous price for it. So they purposely don't upgrade anything as they get new customers or when customers start to use what they have been paying for. This allows them to claim networks cannot support it and therefore they need to charge a 1000% increase for bandwidth to conserve their limited resources. But I guess this is what happens when you are under pressure to have a 10% increase in stock price every year no matter if you really grow or not. Profits are meaningless to these companies. It's only about increased profits. And that means raising prices on existing customers to pretend you are experiencing growth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876953 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:52:43 EDT Corporate greed is reaching new levels.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20876735 fatmanskinny : "Now we will not only cap our direct customers, we will cap what our competition may offer."

Canada must be the testing ground for what is going to happen in the USA and other places. The walls are closing in and caps may begin to bleed over into business connectivity such as T1 / T3/ OCX lines.
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