globus999
join:2008-05-15
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Re: Moronic ISPs!
said by despe :
Don't feed the troll Paul.
Sure... don't consider the ONLY solution that may actually work.
Sure... don't give it a second thought.
Sure... think INSIDE of the box.
Sure... do NOT engage.
BTW when Acanac goes under, please let me know where may I bid on the bankrupcy auction. I can use a few dirt cheap IT gear.
Come to think about... there is going to be SO many auctions that I would probably find something closer to home to bid.... nevermind... |
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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
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join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON | reply to globus999
then do something about it... |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| said by The Flash  :then do something about it... I AM.
I am here pestering EVERYBODY under the sun.
I am desperately trying to get across the message that it IS possible to actually win this war!
I am here saying that CAIP NEEDS to organize its members to DO SO.
I am here stating that even if CAIP can't get it together, ISPs CAN and SHOULD do this independently.
I am here stating, for the record, that this IS doable and it IS dirt cheap!
However, I CAN'T do it for the ISPs! THEY need to do it by themselves. I can only take the horse to the watering hole, but I can't force it to drink! I do NOT own and ISP!
And on a more personal note, and FYI, I have pestered to DEATH my own ISP to the point that they are VERY unhappy with me at this point in time.
What ELSE can I do???
Suggestions??? Anybody???? Nope??? Thought so... |
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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
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join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON
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| said by globus999 :said by The Flash :then do something about it... I AM. I am here pestering EVERYBODY under the sun. I am desperately trying to get across the message that it IS possible to actually win this war! I am here saying that CAIP NEEDS to organize its members to DO SO. I am here stating that even if CAIP can't get it together, ISPs CAN and SHOULD do this independently. I am here stating, for the record, that this IS doable and it IS dirt cheap! However, I CAN'T do it for the ISPs! THEY need to do it by themselves. I can only take the horse to the watering hole, but I can't force it to drink! I do NOT own and ISP! And on a more personal note, and FYI, I have pestered to DEATH my own ISP to the point that they are VERY unhappy with me at this point in time. What ELSE can I do??? Suggestions??? Anybody???? Nope??? Thought so... who is your isp |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| said by The Flash :who is your isp It is not relevant, although if you dig in the forum you may find out. They are with CAIP (although I don't know if they are members), if this is the info you seek. Key point is, they are also NOT doing ANYTHING of this sort. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
1 edit | reply to globus999
Look, you simply can't go into a boxing match and follow the rules of the Marquess of Queensberry, while your oponent brings its own gang, bribes the judge, vacates the arena of public, dresses in fashioned kevlar and pulls-out a .45 semi-automatic.
Bell is good at playing the PR game.
ISPs are not.
High time to change that.  |
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davidbrown
join:2005-05-31
Toronto, ON
·Bell Sympatico
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Ok all do it.
Bubble bursting time.
60'000 people actually did nothing and changed nothing.
Rogers had always planned to offer what they did and if you dig deeper you would have found that out.
They just made it seem as they were being good guys so they got some good press and it worked.
Without government backing the other isp's have little to no chance of of beating bell continued attacks.
Not to say this wont happen but its going to have to hit a breaking point were the government gets anger or has no choice but to slap bell around. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
1 edit | said by davidbrown :Ok all do it. Bubble bursting time. 60'000 people actually did nothing and changed nothing. Rogers had always planned to offer what they did and if you dig deeper you would have found that out. They just made it seem as they were being good guys so they got some good press and it worked. Sure. Lemmesee. They got a TON of VERY BAD press and then then WORSE press showing them as a greedy corp buckling to the public pressure... and that made them look good. OK. I see. WOW! what a master plan. They must be PR genious I am telling you, genious!
said by davidbrown :Without government backing the other isp's have little to no chance of of beating bell continued attacks. Not to say this wont happen but its going to have to hit a breaking point were the government gets anger or has no choice but to slap bell around. PRECISELY! BINGO!!! DING!!! DING!!! DING!!!
But, why have you stopped here? Continue... please continue...
OK, I'll do it for you. Lemmeseee:
Taking into consideration that Hail Harpo has been bought by the corps, WHAT would make him buckle the trend? PUBLIC PRESSURE.
How much?
A LOT!
What is the breaking point?
The point at which the government HAS NO CHOICE but to act in the public interest!
Why?
Because it would look SO INCREDIBLY STUPID that it will need to be replaced by other puppet, maybe. So the corps now have two choices: a) buckle to the pressure and continue having its puppet or b) do not buckle, ditch the puppet and take a risk on an election. Humm... loose a battle but continue having the upper hand looks appetizing to me... humm... but that's just me...
How do we accomplish this?
By having a GREAT DEAL of PEOPLE making a GREAT DEAL of NOISE, ALL AT THE SAME TIME!!!
Thank you kindly for making my point. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
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Heck! BIG HECK!
I just don't get it.
Why is that Canadians would gladly, happily, accept to being shafted, and roasted and squeezed, BUT they will fight tooth and nail AGAINST the right to complain???
Look, it is NOT complicated.
YOU are ONLY entitled to the rights YOU (that means YOU) are willing to defend.
YOU (that means YOU) want the right to unfettered communications, right?
Then YOU (yes, that means YOU) have to defend this right!
GEEEZZZ!!! |
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picsel
join:2007-12-02
Saint-Laurent, QC | reply to globus999
Because no one gives a .... about freedom..we're gonna be controlled and no one will do nothing..the people are too lazy maybe?.. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
2 edits | said by picsel :Because no one gives a .... about freedom..we're gonna be controlled and no one will do nothing..the people are too lazy maybe?.. I suspect the answer is a tad more complicated. Humans are "differential machines". This means that if you increase the discomfort level *SLOWLY* (emphasis on slowly), the DIFFERENCE between the immediate and the previous state is "tolerable" and, hence, acceptable.
If you continue to do so, it will reach a point at which the "discomfort" level will reach lethal levels. Most people wouldn't blink. They would die.
This is a fact. It was tested in animals. It was tested in humans in concentration camps throughout different eras.
SO, what is the key to awaken the people then?
Simple. Show them the ENTIRE difference. This is, the INITIAL state and the FINAL state at the end of ALL adjustments. Then, and only then, the full consequences of the accumulated changes can be made visible and people would act.... assuming there is critical mass...
And here is where we go back to my ISP argument.
They ABSOLUTELY MUST reach lots of people to REACH CRITICAL MASS if they want to accomplish something. |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON | reply to globus999
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globus999
join:2008-05-15 | Dear BryceS, sure, yurright, but I am lazy and don't like to take the time to bold and underline  |
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HoboJ
join:2008-03-27
Trenton, ON | reply to globus999
Welp you're about as inspiring as my turds globus. I'll be sure to listen to you to the end.  |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| said by HoboJ :Welp you're about as inspiring as my turds globus. I'll be sure to listen to you to the end. As oposed to your non-contribution, non-action, and non-ideas. I see. Thank you very much. You won't be missed. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | Sorry, but you come across as an angry troll bitching about non-existing issues... |
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nyt
join:2003-02-20
france
| said by Guspaz :Sorry, but you come across as an angry troll bitching about non-existing issues... His point is that history teaches us that non-existing issues become real at some point, and it is too late by then to do anything about it. Laws are now made by bigcorp, democracy is gone, and as long as we people are happy with our TV series the sky may fall without anyone noticing. Hey, that's an idea, remind the politicians that if we stop downloading TV series we may actually pay attention to what they do and discover dirty stuff  |
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Ikarasu
join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC
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Whatever his point is... it's making me want to stop bothering to even fight, it's more annoying then helpful.
What have you done to help besides come in here and complain, call out ISPS who've spent thousands of dollars on advertisements, 10K+ on lawyers, on ISPS who've been very vocal and kept everyone updated on the status unlike most corporate companies would do?
Did you goto the rally? Did you even submit a CRTC reply? Have you done 1 thing besides post this topic complaining about everyone else?
If/When you do, and you decide to grow up and not demand do this/do that, maybe then when/if you come back... people will actually listen to you, and not just dismiss everything you say.
Lots of people post ideas/suggestions on how to fight this, and I'm sure while they listen to you, the ISPS who have 1000x more experience then you, paid for advice from lawyers, and a thought out plan, know how to handle the situation better then you. However, from what I've seen...they've always been open to suggestion and communicate with everyone... but I'm sure posts like yours get 1 glance, and they just walk away.
Good job on telling the ISPS that are fighting for YOUR rights how stupid and wimpy they are! Not the best way to motivate them/anyone else, or earn their respect. I'd say your thread lost all chance at being taken seriously the first 5 lines. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz :Sorry, but you come across as an angry troll bitching about non-existing issues... HUH??? "non-existing issues"??? HUH???
Soo according to you everything is just honky dory and if it isn't, dontmatter cuz ISPs are doing such a wonderful job at fixing it and winning at all steps... OK... I see...
Unfortunatley, by posting this you come across as somebody living with you head stuck in a paper bag... sad... really sad... because we all know this is not the case. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
1 edit | reply to Ikarasu
said by Ikarasu :Whatever his point is... it's making me want to stop bothering to even fight, it's more annoying then helpful. Yet here you are. Engaged.
said by Ikarasu :What have you done to help besides come in here and complain, A great deal more than the average user has done, wich is NOTHING.
said by Ikarasu : call out ISPS who've spent thousands of dollars on advertisements, 10K+ on lawyers, And failed miserably, so far. Precisely my point. Spending $$$ is NOT the way forward. Engaging customers is!.
said by Ikarasu : on ISPS who've been very vocal and kept everyone updated on the status unlike most corporate companies would do? HUH??? which planet do you live in??? www.candianisp.com lists 325 ISPs. How many of them have done anything, anything at all to "keep everyone updated"??? 1, 2 perhaps?? That is PRECISELY my point. They are NOT updating the people. They are NOT engaging their customers. Geeezzz!!! how much more blind can you be????
said by Ikarasu :Did you goto the rally? No, I can't affort to loose my job, have a family to support. However, did pester a great deal of publications and on-line sources about it. What did YOU do that had such a wonderful impact on the goverment and the CRTC??
said by Ikarasu :Did you even submit a CRTC reply? 17 comments and counting. How many have YOU submitted??
said by Ikarasu : Have you done 1 thing besides post this topic complaining about everyone else? Yes, a great deal of things. Some of them I am willing to disclose, such as e-mailing potiticians, CRTC, mailing s-mail (not the easy/cheapo e-mail) to CRTC heads, promoted other's people submissions, etc. And some I am not willing to discuss. Point in case, I have exerted a gread deal of effort. HOWEVER, I do recognize that all my efforts are peanuts if ISPs do not engage customers. Hence, this tread.
said by Ikarasu :If/When you do, and you decide to grow up and not demand do this/do that, maybe then when/if you come back... people will actually listen to you, and not just dismiss everything you say. Sure because you did??? nothing??? I see... As to people "dismissing" well... this thread had 301 reads so far. Not bad I would say.
said by Ikarasu :Lots of people post ideas/suggestions on how to fight this, Which are all welcomed. I never said otherwise.
said by Ikarasu : and I'm sure while they listen to you, the ISPS who have 1000x more experience then you, paid for advice from lawyers, and a thought out plan, know how to handle the situation better then you. I see. That's why they are winning. That's why Bell has stopped throttling, is not comming out with a new way to pulverize competition every 5 minutes, the CRTC is bitchslappig Bell and the PM is siding with the Minister who is siding with Net Neutrality. Copyright law is not under attack and we are getting excellent service. I see... Sorry about my ways... I repent... I must have been reading the news from a different country... not Canada...
Also, I am getting sick and tired of hearing the same tune. The ISPs have spent thousands of $$$... ok... sure... WHO EXACTLY has done so, other than Tek and perhaps Acanac???? The remining ISPs are NOT doing so. Furthermore, that is precisely my point. It is the WRONG tactic. Bell can outspend ANY ISP. Rocky said it himself. Hence my point. What it is required is a dirt-cheap tactic that works. This would be ENGAGE YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!
said by Ikarasu : However, from what I've seen...they've always been open to suggestion and communicate with everyone... but I'm sure posts like yours get 1 glance, and they just walk away. "Open to suggestions" funny, very funny. Nice way to put it. Why not "will take it under advicement" or "will consult it amongst ourselves" or "don't call, we will call you". Sounds familiar??? Point is, they had what so far? 3, 4 months??? What have they done??? NOTHING of any significance.
If they read this post and walk away, then they deserve to get bankrupt. Bottom line is this: it is THEIR business however, they refuse to fight. They have, mostly, offloaded the fight to Rocky and then to us. And, let me say this one more time: IT IS THEIR FIGHT FIRST! Nice, nicely done. I am impressed NOT!
said by Ikarasu :Good job on telling the ISPS that are fighting for YOUR rights how stupid and wimpy they are! Not the best way to motivate them/anyone else, or earn their respect. I'd say your thread lost all chance at being taken seriously the first 5 lines. Geezzz you got this one SERIOUSLY BACKWARDS. They are NOT fighting for MY rights. They are fighting for their SELF-INTEREST. For their BUSINESS. For THEIR RIGHT to make $$$$. When they fight...which they have not done much of it so far.
Wrt MY rights, I am fighting for them. Posting this and doing everything else I can do. Coincidentaly, their self-interest lines-up (to a certain degree) with my rights. BUT THAT'S IT!
Geeezz!!! how much more uninformed can you get??? This is a captialist society. The way it is supposed to work is that "enlightened self-interest" helps society. This may be ONE of the few cases where that may actually take place.... If only ISPs would start fighting.... |
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