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| Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing I still don't get what workers gain by striking. Why would it be so hard to work under the terms of the current contract until a new one is negotiated, even if it takes years? Workers still get paid for their work, still get raises, and work gets done, everyone stays happy.
Personally, I think the union might be realizing that Verizon's potential cost of replacing them might be going down. If this is the case, then they would be the big losers in a strike.
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing Because if we don't stand our ground, the company will walk all over us. What they were bringing to the table wasn't just as simple as making us pay a percentage of our health benefits; they wanted to take our retirement, extend and reduce any future raises, and basically drastically reduce what we got in the previous contract. That's not a negotiation, it's a giant company trying to cut costs at the place where it should be giving back a little more because it's us that keep this company going.
And fyi, it's a little more expensive to replace the bulk of us than you might think. Craft is a trade that can't be learned over night; yes you can train a guy to do it in 1-2 weeks, but if you saw our systems and how screwed up things can get, it would be more trouble than it's worth to send out a bunch of guys that have only seen it in a book because they would quickly learn that what they saw in training is COMPLETELY different than how it is in the real world, which is exactly why our tech support sucks so bad sometimes.
I hope we don't have to strike though, I really do. Even if the company would be doing it for the wrong reasons. | |
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing The union will sell out future workers and past retirees in the new contract.
The deal will ultimately give current workers a raise and some protection from layoffs. New hires will get reduced pay and benefits and the retirees will be lucky to keep benefits at the same levels they have now, even though their costs(especially health care) continue to rise.
The company will keep hiring contractors as they reduce the size of the union workforce thru retirement and attrition(people who quit or are fired for cause).
Given the world economy, union power will continue to decline.
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1 edit | Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing Verizon isn't competing in a "World Economy". What foreign competition does Verizon have?
Meanwhile as our gov't continues to sell us out to China and Mexico, US standard of living will decline. | |
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing said by Dogfather  :Verizon isn't competing in a "World Economy". What foreign competition does Verizon have? The reality of a world economy and lower 3rd world pay scales reduces the costs of labor around the world - even for companies and their workers who don't do business outside the country. As worker pay scales sink in international competitive industries it reduces pay scales in all industries.
All Verizon has to do is say to the union: "we will replace all you union workers and where will you get equivalent pay in other industries." The union leadership knows their workers would take drastic pay cuts if they hit the street. And that is how even a company like Verizon can reduce wages - thru the threat of making their workers compete against foreign workers if they eliminate their jobs at Verizon and force them to find jobs in other industries(where only 15% of the workforce is unionized). And don't forget the threat of using contractors/outsourcing who use cheaper immigrant(legal & otherwise) labor flooding in to the U.S.
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing said by Dogfather :Verizon doesn't compete in a global economy and doesn't have to compete with anyone but other domestic suppliers. And they would only suffer pay cuts in the open market because of gov't failure to enforce employment law. Gov't always kisses the ass of big business and loves illegal labor. Outsourced labor (like tech support) should also face 1000% tariffs. actually verizon does compete on a global market, for capital.
tariffs lol..yeah protectionism really works..  | |
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| said by Dogfather :Meanwhile as our gov't continues to sell us out to China and Mexico, US standard of living will decline. Don't look now but China already owns us. The "For Sale" sign has already been taken down.
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| Yeah, VZ union was like 80,000+ members now only 65,000.
My problem is NOT with the union employee that works at all. I have utter and complete disgust for the "union" itself. They, the CWA I know for sure, makes more than the employees do that are union members. A state rep who answers the phone makes $90,000 a year. Ever see a state rep or your union? I doubt it. They send your union reps to negotiate with the big "boss" in the room (he makes $200k or more for speeches and doing nothing).
Your two unions should have run ads in NYC and elsewhere giving people a full explanation of the things facing you and will eventually face them. Instead, they put out ads like "your call cannot be completed as dialed" so non-union people just found their "strike" a power play. Add in the lack of fixing things or installing things right and the public is like, "Hell, fire 'em!"
Unions have gone downhill because a lot of people don't trust them. They can negotiate a sucky contract then make you vote. The vote is secret at the local so no oversight. It barely passes. Of course, companies will give one type of craft a good deal and screw the other one--playing the union members against each other. Companies will also give Union Reps plum jobs to keep them happy while everyone else is getting screwed.
Unions also spend a lot of your money in politics backing the worst candidates possible. They backed Clinton and Clinton hit them with NAFTA. I'd say half the companies in the USA HATE NAFTA. Unions should really hate NAFTA.
VZ knows they need the techs so will give techs a good deal while screwing the office. I've read union contracts, before and after, and found that was the deal. Your office staff has tons of controls while techs have almost none in comparison. So, the office staff gets screwed by not meeting all those controls. In other words, the union is selling you out for the side that can get the contract passed. Screw the rest of them.
Your union is public information at unionfacts.org.
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| | mr man
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| Be lucky for what you got. Craft folks make over $22 an hour and higher if you are a tech, plus overtime. Asking for union employees to pay part of your medical bennies is not asking much for the type of work/labor craft folks do.
Many other telcos and unionized employers cut out a lot of those bennies and Verizon will be setting a bad precedence if they give in to the union.
Verizon Wireless is non union and they are carrying the weight of the telco. Line loss means less revenue. Be happy you have a job, but be a little more realistic. Wireless employees are paid less an hour and have to pay for part of their bennies, yet they are securely employed. Outsourcing is a way for the company to count their land line lossess. And we know that is happening now. A strike will not stop that.
Expensive to replace? I think not. There are plenty of skilled contractors out there that can splice, test, answer phones, enter orders and install services that would love to have a stable job and pay into a decent health plan. What some may know in the field on a specific issue can be learned by anyone that puts their mind into it.
Unions act like blankets, all or nothing. This means they protect the very hard workers the same way they protect slackers. I used to be in a Verizon telco area and i can tell you that I have seen some techs out there just leeching, practicing to take on their new Walmart jobs while others should be promoted to mid or high management for their dedication to their hard earned money.
Sure, Mr Ivan and his cronies make an insane amount of money and I bet verizon is like a slew of other companies with slews of CEO's of this and that, making money and readying with their golden parachutes before they are made scapegoats; it is coporate greed at it's best. But, no one will intercede with that. So if the company revenues are down, what make you think that biting the hand that feeds you will cry uncle because of a strike vote? They can turn around and employ from the job pool, pay them less in return for a stable job as easy as 123. Read the news, it has happened before.
Be happy for what you have. Cut your spending and invest..even a pension is not enough 10 to 20 years from now.. | |
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1 edit | Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing are those wireless employees climbing poles in snow storms? do they crawl underneath some of the nastiest houses that can be imagined to install jacks? no, the bulk of the wireless employees are desk jockeys. should they be paid the same as the guys who risk life and limb everyday to keep the network up? do you know who gets the call in the middle of the night when the t-lines are down that feed your precious cell towers? that would be me. i get up at 2am and drive to towns i've never been to, to repair the circuits that without, the towers would be useless. screw you, i will not settle for less because we are losing landline customers. there is a lot more to the union employees jobs than pots. we are the heart any of the baby bells. | |
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New Bedford, MA | Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing As a Verizon CO tech in New England,I couldn't have said it better. We are the Network! | |
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing said by SteveCon :Dead on, Brother! Amazing to see people here defending a multibillion dollar company they have no stake in against the workers who keep the company going and making millions for its execs and top investors. You people defending corporations are just little joes with no class conscience who are always potential victims of these corporate vultures you like to defend, keep that in mind.
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Burlington, MA | Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing I think your reply was intended for someone other than me. | |
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing I find the posts by people who are against Unions quite interesting, and almost laughable to boot.
Without beating a dead horse here, too much, I have come to realise that most people who despise unions are either jealous or have worked in a retail/supermarket union, and think their experiences are indicative of all unions.
While not a perfect system, every worker in this country owes their job and the benefits/conditions to a Union worker and the union they are members of, for fighting for those benefits/rights.
Unions exist to fight for worker's rights and to protect their membership from management abuses.
Union or not, a bad worker will be terminated, average and above will continue to work, as it should be.
Workers have ZERO say in what happens at any company, so they can not be held accountable for mismanagement at the companies they work for.
Union labor is more highly trained and more efficient than their non-union counterparts, so the pay differential is negligible and in most cases a job can be cheaper with union workers.
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing said by jwersan :Union labor is more highly trained and more efficient than their non-union counterparts, so the pay differential is negligible and in most cases a job can be cheaper with union workers. I call bs right there. I am currently working in a large building, the previous electrical contractor in the building was union, I am non union. I am retro fitting line voltage HCAC controls, and the shoddy work the previous company did was a joke. There is no consistency, some blatant unsafe connections and then the units where they installed the controls but never made the final connections. | |
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing said by seige101 :said by jwersan :Union labor is more highly trained and more efficient than their non-union counterparts, so the pay differential is negligible and in most cases a job can be cheaper with union workers. I call bs right there. I am currently working in a large building, the previous electrical contractor in the building was union, I am non union. I am retro fitting line voltage HCAC controls, and the shoddy work the previous company did was a joke. There is no consistency, some blatant unsafe connections and then the units where they installed the controls but never made the final connections. Well I too have seen the opposite, BLATANT electrical code violations and numerous unsafe conditions by non-union electrical workers..
Even at the job I am at now, the electrical code violations would run pages, if the inspectors were to show up, and this is in a building that is historically non-union.
I have also been on union jobs where the "customer" orders us to do work a certain way, usually in violation of electrical codes, or we are out!
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing said by jwersan :said by seige101 :said by jwersan :Union labor is more highly trained and more efficient than their non-union counterparts, so the pay differential is negligible and in most cases a job can be cheaper with union workers. I call bs right there. I am currently working in a large building, the previous electrical contractor in the building was union, I am non union. I am retro fitting line voltage HCAC controls, and the shoddy work the previous company did was a joke. There is no consistency, some blatant unsafe connections and then the units where they installed the controls but never made the final connections. Well I too have seen the opposite, BLATANT electrical code violations and numerous unsafe conditions by non-union electrical workers.. Even at the job I am at now, the electrical code violations would run pages, if the inspectors were to show up, and this is in a building that is historically non-union. I have also been on union jobs where the "customer" orders us to do work a certain way, usually in violation of electrical codes, or we are out! Someone ought to start a blog... the whistleblower kind!
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| said by cwire :are those wireless employees climbing poles in snow storms? do they crawl underneath some of the nastiest houses that can be imagined to install jacks? no, the bulk of the wireless employees are desk jockeys. should they be paid the same as the guys who risk life and limb everyday to keep the network up? do you know who gets the call in the middle of the night when the t-lines are down that feed your precious cell towers? that would be me. i get up at 2am and drive to towns i've never been to, to repair the circuits that without, the towers would be useless. screw you, i will not settle for less because we are losing landline customers. there is a lot more to the union employees jobs than pots. we are the heart any of the baby bells. Amazing how this happens every 4 years ... you folks have absolutely NO CLUE about the wireless industry and how it works.
Guess what?
You're damned right Wireless has folks climbing towers. You're damned right they deal with customers day in and day out. You're damned right they get called in the middle of the night to keep things running.
You're not the only ones out there working your tails off. If landline is the 'heart' of the baby bells, then wireless is the brains of the operation. | |
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join:2007-05-16
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| said by mr man :Be happy for what you have. Cut your spending and invest..even a pension is not enough 10 to 20 years from now.. yeah thats it...invest. Buy shares in the same companies that are cutting US jobs by outsourcing and gutting the middle class by accepting non-union unskilled labor. Hope your grandchildren are happy working for Walmart!
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing said by S_engineer :said by mr man :Be happy for what you have. Cut your spending and invest..even a pension is not enough 10 to 20 years from now.. yeah thats it...invest. Buy shares in the same companies that are cutting US jobs by outsourcing and gutting the middle class by accepting non-union unskilled labor. Hope your grandchildren are happy working for Walmart! "Weekends...brought to you by unions everywhere!" You could buy stock in Verizon. If you guys think you are so good, the stock can only go up.
"Non-union unskilled labor" Now that is an amusing quote. So a union tech is automaticly better than a non-union tech? You clowns are so full of shit it isn't funny. I worked on both sides of the union fence. All a union does is protect screwoffs, screw everyone but the majority present for voting and brainwash people who can't think for themselves.
In case you haven't noticed the big union shops like the UAW are falling apart. The unions have priced themselves right out of business in the US. It isn't the big corp pushing companies overseas, it is the overpaid union workers who are bancrupting them. Notice the nice overpaid union autoworkers who halfed new hires wages? Now tell me who is selling out? | |
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing Unions are only 8.8% of all U.S. labor (not counting gov't union jobs--in other words, lazy gov't employees). That was twice that about 15 years ago.
Corruption in unions and unions effectively breaking companies, like GM, Ford, with their overpaid wages is why they are on their way out. GM and Ford's stupidity is 50% to blame but the other 50% rest on their unions. Only professional unions, have no idea why, are increasing. If unions, the CWA, think they will unionize WalMart, they are on crack or herion. They unionized other grocery stores and look at the results--WalMart crushes them. I really don't see how Winn Dixie stays afloat next to a WalMart here when prices are about 10% lower at WalMart. Well, 4 employees at Winn Dixie and maybe 30-40 at WalMart is why. And, no, Winn Dixie employees make minimum wage, which is less than WalMart ($10 an hour for most).
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| All those "profits" are being generated by non-union employees and contractors, all the skill and craft people are working in mostly Landline and a very small part of FIOS backend, which currently LOSES a couple a billion a quarter
By the unions own logic, the profits should go to the workers that earned the money, OK, so take the profit and give it back to VZ wireless workers as a bonus, and then let the unions take a pay cut to cover the losses the business they work in is losing every quarter
What , don't like your own logic, now you understand how the average works sees your whining about more pay and benefits while the company is losing money in your divisions covered by union contracts | |
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| said by neotorian :Because if we don't stand our ground, the company will walk all over us. What they were bringing to the table wasn't just as simple as making us pay a percentage of our health benefits; they wanted to take our retirement, extend and reduce any future raises, and basically drastically reduce what we got in the previous contract. Don't take any of this personally, but this is what really irks me about unions. Not just your union, or "blue color" unions or sports unions. Just unions in general.
A union have a contract. The contract expires, is renegotiated...whatever the circumstances, but ultimately the old contact is no longer in effect. During the renegotiations it's just presumed that everything must get better otherwise the union workers get screwed.
We live in a more or less free market society. Workers should get paid what the market wants to pay them, and conversely, the market should pays what the people are worth. If either side is not happy with the arrangement then don't accept the contact...but then you have to live with the consequences. As a worker, then that may mean you are going to go without any pay and/or job. For the company, that may mean that your best workers are going to go elsewhere and your quality of worker will suffer.
That's not a negotiation, it's a giant company trying to cut costs at the place where it should be giving back a little more because it's us that keep this company going. Any worker at a company can say that they are the ones that keep the company going. And to some degree that is true.
But answer me this, do you have any co-workers that only do average, or below average work? Any medium or large company has a few people that fit into that category. Do they keep the company going? They may do some, but they aren't the ones that are really moving the company. If they aren't really moving the company forward, why are they still around? That's right...the union.
I work in a very small web development company. Total current workforce: 5. We were 6, but we recently let someone go. He fit in the average or slightly below average category. Yes he helped out some, but he wasn't putting in 40 hours of work for a 40 hour paycheck that others put in. He wasn't slacking off nor did he take excessive breaks. His effort just wasn't enough and we cut him. In a union environment, I don't think it would have been possible to just cut him...we'd have to go through all sorts of bureaucratic red tape, making our eventual losses even more.
I won't argue that unions once served a purpose. In the late 19th century unions made a definite impact on ending child labor, improving safety, increasing pay, etc. Fast forward though to the 21st century. Child labor laws really aren't an issue any more. While there are dangers in the workplace, I don't think there are too many major companies that are exploiting their workers with unsafe work conditions that a union can help fight. So it's really just down to compensation...and non-union workers don't seem to have problems, in general, being compensated.
It probably an overly broad generalization, but to me it would seem that the ones that have the most to benefit from unions sticking around are the the under- or average-achievers. The above average worker is the type that companies want to have around and typically do something to keep them around. | |
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join:2008-08-03
Freeport, NY
| People should realize Verizon is a 1+ billion dollar profitable QUARTERLY company 4 many yrs, It can afford to TAKE care of me. This is not GM or Airlines, where my fellow union members did sacrifice their wages/benefits. VZ is extremely profitable, and now with FIOS IN NYC, A CASH COW, and I mean a cash cow. it has the money and I as a 28 yr employee of NYTEL/AT&T/NYNEX/BELL ATLANTIC AND NOW VERIZON, BETTER take care of me instead of giving chairman of the board & 5 other directors 82 Million dollars last yr. Come on people UNIONS has lost ground since Regan fire air traffic controllers & Clinton ok NAFTA. we as THE COMMON WORKER are now paying the price for it. Verizon CATERS TO BIG BUSINESS'S/WALL ST & SHARE HOLDERS, UNIONS CATERS TO THE WORKING MAN. SO IT IS DAVID VZ GOLIATH. I am so upset that the company hired contractors and especially brought out MCI (NOW VERIZON BUSINESS)Verizon busines is non-union people, AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT STATES NEW BUSINESS WORK IS "FOLDED" INTO THE UNION, BUT verizon does not look at it that way. They are breaking a contract & fios installed by contractors, that also is contractual, and they are breaking that. This is stuff "outside" folks don't see/know. The union employee is getting less work, then ask if we wanna leave (makes us an offer.)It is very scary and an omen, UNIONS don't have the bargaining and muscle anymore like we use to. Shit I want to work, I am a damn devoted "working" union man, but Verizon don't want me, so I ain't leaving quietly. Again A BILLION DOLLARS PLUS each quarter in PROFITS. trust me they can afford to spend roughly 3 billion dollars it cost each yr to take care of the union employees which is benefits (100+ billion dollar a yr company). They got the money. & remember I am on the landline side of the house which is shrinking, we know that, but again verizon wireless (which also is not union) made 1.5 million new customers this QUARTER. and on top of that now Verizon brought AL-Tel wireless 10 million customers for 28 BILLION and so stupid is 5 billion is the price & 23 billion of it is 'DEBT" NOW THAT IS A WASTE OF MONEY. so again, if u have 28 billion 2 buy another company, u can take care of me. Verizon has no foot to stand on. it has money and as a 28 union employee I want my piece of it. Absolutely no reason for this bargaining to be so stupidly intense. CWA/IBEW Union employees don't ask for the world, only to be compensated "fairly". Verizon will be for ever NEW YORK TELEPHONE, I cant wait for AT&T to buy Verzion so I can wear my New York Telephone Shirt. Remember history, at disvestire, there were 7 baby bells now there are two (well 3 Qwest) are now left, DO I SEE MO-NO-PO-LY AGAIN???? believe me it will happen... | |
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing they do take care of you already. they pay a part of your health care and they give a job with a raise. If you don't like what they already give you go find another job who will give you want you want. VZ does not owe a dime nor job.
and they do NOT have to take care of YOU, your family nor anyone else who works for them. Their purpose is to service their customers and turn a profit at doing so and put more money back in the company. Not pay you damn greedy ass union employees who think you need to hear $40+ an hour sitting your ass putting a fiber optic line in PVC for 3 hours or taking 8 or more hours to install FiOS when you have 2 others set for install the same day but you don't have to install them becuase the Union says you have such a long period to install each of them; VZ can't do anything to you. I call it BULLSHIT! If you don't like the way comapnies work i suggest you start your own and let your employees become union and start paying what they want plus 80=% in their healthcare. It won't happen you'll be on here bitching about how you hate unions too.
VZ SHOULD LOCK YOUR ASS OUT! KILL THE UNIONS! WE HAVE LABOR LAWS FOR A REASON! UNION'S SUCK! LOCK 'EM OUT VZ! | |
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As a service tech, I more than earn my $30 an hour. I am exposed to more hazards on a daily basis than any other profession that I can think of. The hazardous things that I am exposed to on a daily basis in people's disgusting homes are well worth the company picking up my healthcare cost alone. The 3 skill sets (Phone, TV, Computers/Internet) that I have mastered are well worth my $30 an hour. | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing Forget it. The corporate ass kissers don't care what the long terms effects of outsourcing or dumbing down wages have on the economy so long as there is short term profit to be had. | |
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1 edit | if you don't like what you have to work in then leave the companies. And who said i wasnt exposed to the same things as you? have you ever worked in a farm house for 4hours without AC or anything else in the middle of summer at 90+ degrees with cat and dog piss all over the house hooking up someone's washer, and dryer? NO! I do! I even have to touch the old ones and take them out and smell them for the rest of the day
You didnt see me bitching to my boss that i wanted the company to pay for 90% of my healthcare because they "owed" it to me! If i would have told them that i would have been told the same thing i told you and every other fuck union employee who thinks their "owed" something- GET A NEW FUCKIN JOB!
THIS WORLD DOES NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING!
and one more thing; VZ should have kicked all your asses to the curb when you started to picket before the deadline. That would have all taught you a lesson.
LOCK OUT ALL OF YOU DAMN UNION EMPLOYEES AND TEACH YOU A LESSON. | |
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing Take your own advice, GET A NEW JOB.
You're the unskilled clown who continues to deliver and install appliances for Lowes or Home Depot, you sound like a miserable human being, take you own advice and quit,move on to greener pastures.
Learn a skill, get a trade, maybe you wont have to spend 4 hours in a farmhouse sweating for pennies.
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| TO hottboiinnc:
As a service tech, I more than earn my $30 an hour. I am exposed to more hazards on a daily basis than any other profession that I can think of. The hazardous things that I am exposed to on a daily basis in people's disgusting homes are well worth the company picking up my healthcare cost alone. The 3 skill sets (Phone, TV, Computers/Internet) that I have mastered are well worth my $30 an hour. | |
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tim_k
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing said by FiberTechV :TO hottboiinnc: As a service tech, I more than earn my $30 an hour. I am exposed to more hazards on a daily basis than any other profession that I can think of. The hazardous things that I am exposed to on a daily basis in people's disgusting homes are well worth the company picking up my healthcare cost alone. The 3 skill sets (Phone, TV, Computers/Internet) that I have mastered are well worth my $30 an hour. Boy, ain't that the truth. I was a service tech in Harrisburg for 6 months. The shit I had to walk through and the smells I had to deal with in some houses. And in the outside, the fields of poison ivy and blackberry bushes I had to cut through. Ugh, I hated it.
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Here | And when his (the previous poster) phone goes out or he has a trouble he wants it fixed in less than 24hrs with no hassles, headaches, or issues. I bet he doesn't dare tell the guy fixing his line that he thinks he's an overpaid crybaby. | |
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Pale_Rider
join:2004-10-18
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| Seems to me that most of the anti union spleen vents on here come from folks who have never actually been union members.
Easy to just scream and yell and make generalizations about union members in general.
Wouldn't it be great if corporate America would simply pay people a decent wage and provide decent benefits? As opposed to simply shipping jobs overseas to cut costs and "Maximize shareholder value"?
Of course that doesn't happen, look at WalMart and their "Political Education" sessions where Obama and the democrats are reviled as pro union demons.Attendance is mandatory.Complain and you're fired.
Strange that the police, fire departments and teachers are all unionized but people don't bitch about them...why is that?
UPS is union, where's the bitching about that?
Southwest airlines, the only profitable airline these days is also one of the most heavily unionized airlines in the country, how'd that happen?
I've worked union and non union over my life, and I can honestly say I make more and have better benefits working union than nonunion. | |
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| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing said by Pale_Rider :Strange that the police, fire departments and teachers are all unionized but people don't bitch about them...why is that? They don't? That is news to me. I see people complain all the time about teachers and their high salaries and their unions.
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| | mr man
join:2008-08-02
Denver, CO
| Tell me in your words what do you mean by "fairly"? You don't pay for health care and you make a wage higher than many jobs out there. And sorry, the auto industry was extremely profitable too, and they lost revenues, and they closed plants, and they laid off union workers. Find out what they are doing today? | |
| | | Discolarry
join:2008-08-03
Freeport, NY
| Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing fair is: when a company is profitable then its own workers should share in the profits. We are only asking for our benefits to remain the same or will of course take more, again realize they have the money. Yes auto was extremely profitable but a company is run by managers, not union/or common workers, i blame the big guys WHO MADE the decision in the auto industry. people really don't realize we are asking for a fair package, not the world. just because people pay for their benefits don't mean we have to. We are extremely profitable and will forever be. it is called MONOPOLY, and thats the way it is and I am in it. Again if u were in my shoes u think differently. I respect your comments. | |
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Boston, MA | Always something for nothing. Sad. | |
| | MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| said by Discolarry :People should realize Verizon is a 1+ billion dollar profitable QUARTERLY company 4 many yrs, It can afford to TAKE care of me. This is not GM or Airlines, where my fellow union members did sacrifice their wages/benefits. VZ is extremely profitable, and now with FIOS IN NYC, A CASH COW, and I mean a cash cow. it has the money and I as a 28 yr employee of NYTEL/AT&T/NYNEX/BELL ATLANTIC AND NOW VERIZON, BETTER take care of me instead of giving chairman of the board & 5 other directors 82 Million dollars last yr. Come on people UNIONS has lost ground since Regan fire air traffic controllers & Clinton ok NAFTA. we as THE COMMON WORKER are now paying the price for it. Verizon CATERS TO BIG BUSINESS'S/WALL ST & SHARE HOLDERS, UNIONS CATERS TO THE WORKING MAN. SO IT IS DAVID VZ GOLIATH. I am so upset that the company hired contractors and especially brought out MCI (NOW VERIZON BUSINESS)Verizon busines is non-union people, AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT STATES NEW BUSINESS WORK IS "FOLDED" INTO THE UNION, BUT verizon does not look at it that way. They are breaking a contract & fios installed by contractors, that also is contractual, and they are breaking that. This is stuff "outside" folks don't see/know. The union employee is getting less work, then ask if we wanna leave (makes us an offer.)It is very scary and an omen, UNIONS don't have the bargaining and muscle anymore like we use to. Shit I want to work, I am a damn devoted "working" union man, but Verizon don't want me, so I ain't leaving quietly. Again A BILLION DOLLARS PLUS each quarter in PROFITS. trust me they can afford to spend roughly 3 billion dollars it cost each yr to take care of the union employees which is benefits (100+ billion dollar a yr company). They got the money. & remember I am on the landline side of the house which is shrinking, we know that, but again verizon wireless (which also is not union) made 1.5 million new customers this QUARTER. and on top of that now Verizon brought AL-Tel wireless 10 million customers for 28 BILLION and so stupid is 5 billion is the price & 23 billion of it is 'DEBT" NOW THAT IS A WASTE OF MONEY. so again, if u have 28 billion 2 buy another company, u can take care of me. Verizon has no foot to stand on. it has money and as a 28 union employee I want my piece of it. Absolutely no reason for this bargaining to be so stupidly intense. CWA/IBEW Union employees don't ask for the world, only to be compensated "fairly". Verizon will be for ever NEW YORK TELEPHONE, I cant wait for AT&T to buy Verzion so I can wear my New York Telephone Shirt. Remember history, at disvestire, there were 7 baby bells now there are two (well 3 Qwest) are now left, DO I SEE MO-NO-PO-LY AGAIN???? believe me it will happen... The air traffic controller issue is not relevant. Congress passed a law that made it illegal for the gov't union to strike, to protect the people. Reagan was upholding the law as set forth by Congress.
NAFTA opened up free trade. If American companies have goods to sell, doesn't it make sense to try to be able to sell to as many as possible? That allows a company to grow, hire more employees, who will pay taxes, expanding the tax base, which means more revenue for the gov't...... | |
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| | Corydon
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| I'd point out that Circuit City's management is currently learning painfully that firing your most experienced workers and hiring cheaper replacements. Unfortunately, it's a lesson that frequently needs to be relearned...there is a real value to paying for workers with experience who know what they are doing.
That being said, I'd be all for unions if I hadn't seen them protecting some really worthless employees. I love the idea of unions in theory. In practice, it's just extra politics that you have to navigate in order to get ahead and extra protection for the incompetent.
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