BSD24
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Middleboro, MA
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| reply to brooklynman4
Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing
said by brooklynman4  :So why did verizon buy mci for? For the backbone... |
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pfak
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join:2002-12-29
Canada
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| reply to Dogfather
In Canada at least, we've seen year over year slashing of corporate income taxes with no benefit at all to the average worker.
Have our wages gone up because of slashed corporate taxes? No. Have companies still tried to slash our wages and take away benefits? Yes.
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just a worker
@comcast.net | reply to TKJunkMail
Our union has yet to take pay cuts, will not sell out our retirees, or anything else you are fantasising about |
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tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
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Stewartstown, PA
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| reply to FiberTechV
said by FiberTechV :TO hottboiinnc: As a service tech, I more than earn my $30 an hour. I am exposed to more hazards on a daily basis than any other profession that I can think of. The hazardous things that I am exposed to on a daily basis in people's disgusting homes are well worth the company picking up my healthcare cost alone. The 3 skill sets (Phone, TV, Computers/Internet) that I have mastered are well worth my $30 an hour. Boy, ain't that the truth. I was a service tech in Harrisburg for 6 months. The shit I had to walk through and the smells I had to deal with in some houses. And in the outside, the fields of poison ivy and blackberry bushes I had to cut through. Ugh, I hated it.
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cwire
join:2007-06-07
Bedford, KY
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are those wireless employees climbing poles in snow storms? do they crawl underneath some of the nastiest houses that can be imagined to install jacks? no, the bulk of the wireless employees are desk jockeys. should they be paid the same as the guys who risk life and limb everyday to keep the network up? do you know who gets the call in the middle of the night when the t-lines are down that feed your precious cell towers? that would be me. i get up at 2am and drive to towns i've never been to, to repair the circuits that without, the towers would be useless. screw you, i will not settle for less because we are losing landline customers. there is a lot more to the union employees jobs than pots. we are the heart any of the baby bells. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to FiberTechV
And when his (the previous poster) phone goes out or he has a trouble he wants it fixed in less than 24hrs with no hassles, headaches, or issues. I bet he doesn't dare tell the guy fixing his line that he thinks he's an overpaid crybaby. |
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Pale_Rider
join:2004-10-18
Richmond Hill, NY
| reply to hottboiinnc
Seems to me that most of the anti union spleen vents on here come from folks who have never actually been union members.
Easy to just scream and yell and make generalizations about union members in general.
Wouldn't it be great if corporate America would simply pay people a decent wage and provide decent benefits? As opposed to simply shipping jobs overseas to cut costs and "Maximize shareholder value"?
Of course that doesn't happen, look at WalMart and their "Political Education" sessions where Obama and the democrats are reviled as pro union demons.Attendance is mandatory.Complain and you're fired.
Strange that the police, fire departments and teachers are all unionized but people don't bitch about them...why is that?
UPS is union, where's the bitching about that?
Southwest airlines, the only profitable airline these days is also one of the most heavily unionized airlines in the country, how'd that happen?
I've worked union and non union over my life, and I can honestly say I make more and have better benefits working union than nonunion. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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| said by Pale_Rider :Strange that the police, fire departments and teachers are all unionized but people don't bitch about them...why is that? They don't? That is news to me. I see people complain all the time about teachers and their high salaries and their unions.
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Pale_Rider
join:2004-10-18
Richmond Hill, NY
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing
Take your own advice, GET A NEW JOB.
You're the unskilled clown who continues to deliver and install appliances for Lowes or Home Depot, you sound like a miserable human being, take you own advice and quit,move on to greener pastures.
Learn a skill, get a trade, maybe you wont have to spend 4 hours in a farmhouse sweating for pennies.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| reply to mr man
said by mr man :Be happy for what you have. Cut your spending and invest..even a pension is not enough 10 to 20 years from now.. yeah thats it...invest. Buy shares in the same companies that are cutting US jobs by outsourcing and gutting the middle class by accepting non-union unskilled labor. Hope your grandchildren are happy working for Walmart!
"Weekends...brought to you by unions everywhere!" |
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Hellrazor
join:2002-02-02
Abyss
| said by S_engineer :said by mr man :Be happy for what you have. Cut your spending and invest..even a pension is not enough 10 to 20 years from now.. yeah thats it...invest. Buy shares in the same companies that are cutting US jobs by outsourcing and gutting the middle class by accepting non-union unskilled labor. Hope your grandchildren are happy working for Walmart! "Weekends...brought to you by unions everywhere!" You could buy stock in Verizon. If you guys think you are so good, the stock can only go up.
"Non-union unskilled labor" Now that is an amusing quote. So a union tech is automaticly better than a non-union tech? You clowns are so full of shit it isn't funny. I worked on both sides of the union fence. All a union does is protect screwoffs, screw everyone but the majority present for voting and brainwash people who can't think for themselves.
In case you haven't noticed the big union shops like the UAW are falling apart. The unions have priced themselves right out of business in the US. It isn't the big corp pushing companies overseas, it is the overpaid union workers who are bancrupting them. Notice the nice overpaid union autoworkers who halfed new hires wages? Now tell me who is selling out? |
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Rossco17
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Never been in union huh? |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA
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| reply to pfak
Depends on what you consider a benefit. Your unemployment rate is fairly stable while ours has risen sharply. Also the IMF predicts Canada's economic growth to exceed that of the US for 2008. But our economies are tied together and as the US economy continues to collapse, we'll drag you down with us and the only hope for Canada are policies that will stimulate investment and jobs. |
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sparky57
join:2003-05-18
New Bedford, MA | reply to cwire
As a Verizon CO tech in New England,I couldn't have said it better. We are the Network! |
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SteveCon
IBEW 2222 Boston, MA
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join:2004-09-02
Burlington, MA | reply to cwire
Dead on, Brother! |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA
| reply to pnh102
»www.urbandictionary.com/define.p···rm=union
an association that uses thuggery, hooliganism, bribery and blackmail to get the wage level raised above its true value for lazy workers |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| reply to neotorian
said by neotorian :Because if we don't stand our ground, the company will walk all over us. What they were bringing to the table wasn't just as simple as making us pay a percentage of our health benefits; they wanted to take our retirement, extend and reduce any future raises, and basically drastically reduce what we got in the previous contract. Don't take any of this personally, but this is what really irks me about unions. Not just your union, or "blue color" unions or sports unions. Just unions in general.
A union have a contract. The contract expires, is renegotiated...whatever the circumstances, but ultimately the old contact is no longer in effect. During the renegotiations it's just presumed that everything must get better otherwise the union workers get screwed.
We live in a more or less free market society. Workers should get paid what the market wants to pay them, and conversely, the market should pays what the people are worth. If either side is not happy with the arrangement then don't accept the contact...but then you have to live with the consequences. As a worker, then that may mean you are going to go without any pay and/or job. For the company, that may mean that your best workers are going to go elsewhere and your quality of worker will suffer.
That's not a negotiation, it's a giant company trying to cut costs at the place where it should be giving back a little more because it's us that keep this company going. Any worker at a company can say that they are the ones that keep the company going. And to some degree that is true.
But answer me this, do you have any co-workers that only do average, or below average work? Any medium or large company has a few people that fit into that category. Do they keep the company going? They may do some, but they aren't the ones that are really moving the company. If they aren't really moving the company forward, why are they still around? That's right...the union.
I work in a very small web development company. Total current workforce: 5. We were 6, but we recently let someone go. He fit in the average or slightly below average category. Yes he helped out some, but he wasn't putting in 40 hours of work for a 40 hour paycheck that others put in. He wasn't slacking off nor did he take excessive breaks. His effort just wasn't enough and we cut him. In a union environment, I don't think it would have been possible to just cut him...we'd have to go through all sorts of bureaucratic red tape, making our eventual losses even more.
I won't argue that unions once served a purpose. In the late 19th century unions made a definite impact on ending child labor, improving safety, increasing pay, etc. Fast forward though to the 21st century. Child labor laws really aren't an issue any more. While there are dangers in the workplace, I don't think there are too many major companies that are exploiting their workers with unsafe work conditions that a union can help fight. So it's really just down to compensation...and non-union workers don't seem to have problems, in general, being compensated.
It probably an overly broad generalization, but to me it would seem that the ones that have the most to benefit from unions sticking around are the the under- or average-achievers. The above average worker is the type that companies want to have around and typically do something to keep them around. |
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dennismurphy
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join:2002-11-19
Parsippany, NJ
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| reply to cwire
said by cwire :are those wireless employees climbing poles in snow storms? do they crawl underneath some of the nastiest houses that can be imagined to install jacks? no, the bulk of the wireless employees are desk jockeys. should they be paid the same as the guys who risk life and limb everyday to keep the network up? do you know who gets the call in the middle of the night when the t-lines are down that feed your precious cell towers? that would be me. i get up at 2am and drive to towns i've never been to, to repair the circuits that without, the towers would be useless. screw you, i will not settle for less because we are losing landline customers. there is a lot more to the union employees jobs than pots. we are the heart any of the baby bells. Amazing how this happens every 4 years ... you folks have absolutely NO CLUE about the wireless industry and how it works.
Guess what?
You're damned right Wireless has folks climbing towers. You're damned right they deal with customers day in and day out. You're damned right they get called in the middle of the night to keep things running.
You're not the only ones out there working your tails off. If landline is the 'heart' of the baby bells, then wireless is the brains of the operation. |
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plat2on1
join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
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| reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather :Verizon doesn't compete in a global economy and doesn't have to compete with anyone but other domestic suppliers. And they would only suffer pay cuts in the open market because of gov't failure to enforce employment law. Gov't always kisses the ass of big business and loves illegal labor. Outsourced labor (like tech support) should also face 1000% tariffs. actually verizon does compete on a global market, for capital.
tariffs lol..yeah protectionism really works..  |
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