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Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing
Yeah, VZ union was like 80,000+ members now only 65,000.
My problem is NOT with the union employee that works at all. I have utter and complete disgust for the "union" itself. They, the CWA I know for sure, makes more than the employees do that are union members. A state rep who answers the phone makes $90,000 a year. Ever see a state rep or your union? I doubt it. They send your union reps to negotiate with the big "boss" in the room (he makes $200k or more for speeches and doing nothing).
Your two unions should have run ads in NYC and elsewhere giving people a full explanation of the things facing you and will eventually face them. Instead, they put out ads like "your call cannot be completed as dialed" so non-union people just found their "strike" a power play. Add in the lack of fixing things or installing things right and the public is like, "Hell, fire 'em!"
Unions have gone downhill because a lot of people don't trust them. They can negotiate a sucky contract then make you vote. The vote is secret at the local so no oversight. It barely passes. Of course, companies will give one type of craft a good deal and screw the other one--playing the union members against each other. Companies will also give Union Reps plum jobs to keep them happy while everyone else is getting screwed.
Unions also spend a lot of your money in politics backing the worst candidates possible. They backed Clinton and Clinton hit them with NAFTA. I'd say half the companies in the USA HATE NAFTA. Unions should really hate NAFTA.
VZ knows they need the techs so will give techs a good deal while screwing the office. I've read union contracts, before and after, and found that was the deal. Your office staff has tons of controls while techs have almost none in comparison. So, the office staff gets screwed by not meeting all those controls. In other words, the union is selling you out for the side that can get the contract passed. Screw the rest of them.
Your union is public information at unionfacts.org.
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I'd point out that Circuit City's management is currently learning painfully that firing your most experienced workers and hiring cheaper replacements. Unfortunately, it's a lesson that frequently needs to be relearned...there is a real value to paying for workers with experience who know what they are doing.
That being said, I'd be all for unions if I hadn't seen them protecting some really worthless employees. I love the idea of unions in theory. In practice, it's just extra politics that you have to navigate in order to get ahead and extra protection for the incompetent.
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said by SteveCon  :Dead on, Brother! Amazing to see people here defending a multibillion dollar company they have no stake in against the workers who keep the company going and making millions for its execs and top investors. You people defending corporations are just little joes with no class conscience who are always potential victims of these corporate vultures you like to defend, keep that in mind.
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Unions are only 8.8% of all U.S. labor (not counting gov't union jobs--in other words, lazy gov't employees). That was twice that about 15 years ago.
Corruption in unions and unions effectively breaking companies, like GM, Ford, with their overpaid wages is why they are on their way out. GM and Ford's stupidity is 50% to blame but the other 50% rest on their unions. Only professional unions, have no idea why, are increasing. If unions, the CWA, think they will unionize WalMart, they are on crack or herion. They unionized other grocery stores and look at the results--WalMart crushes them. I really don't see how Winn Dixie stays afloat next to a WalMart here when prices are about 10% lower at WalMart. Well, 4 employees at Winn Dixie and maybe 30-40 at WalMart is why. And, no, Winn Dixie employees make minimum wage, which is less than WalMart ($10 an hour for most).
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| I find the posts by people who are against Unions quite interesting, and almost laughable to boot.
Without beating a dead horse here, too much, I have come to realise that most people who despise unions are either jealous or have worked in a retail/supermarket union, and think their experiences are indicative of all unions.
While not a perfect system, every worker in this country owes their job and the benefits/conditions to a Union worker and the union they are members of, for fighting for those benefits/rights.
Unions exist to fight for worker's rights and to protect their membership from management abuses.
Union or not, a bad worker will be terminated, average and above will continue to work, as it should be.
Workers have ZERO say in what happens at any company, so they can not be held accountable for mismanagement at the companies they work for.
Union labor is more highly trained and more efficient than their non-union counterparts, so the pay differential is negligible and in most cases a job can be cheaper with union workers.
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Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing
said by jwersan :Union labor is more highly trained and more efficient than their non-union counterparts, so the pay differential is negligible and in most cases a job can be cheaper with union workers. I call bs right there. I am currently working in a large building, the previous electrical contractor in the building was union, I am non union. I am retro fitting line voltage HCAC controls, and the shoddy work the previous company did was a joke. There is no consistency, some blatant unsafe connections and then the units where they installed the controls but never made the final connections. |
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| said by seige101 :said by jwersan :Union labor is more highly trained and more efficient than their non-union counterparts, so the pay differential is negligible and in most cases a job can be cheaper with union workers. I call bs right there. I am currently working in a large building, the previous electrical contractor in the building was union, I am non union. I am retro fitting line voltage HCAC controls, and the shoddy work the previous company did was a joke. There is no consistency, some blatant unsafe connections and then the units where they installed the controls but never made the final connections. Well I too have seen the opposite, BLATANT electrical code violations and numerous unsafe conditions by non-union electrical workers..
Even at the job I am at now, the electrical code violations would run pages, if the inspectors were to show up, and this is in a building that is historically non-union.
I have also been on union jobs where the "customer" orders us to do work a certain way, usually in violation of electrical codes, or we are out!
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| said by jwersan :said by seige101 :said by jwersan :Union labor is more highly trained and more efficient than their non-union counterparts, so the pay differential is negligible and in most cases a job can be cheaper with union workers. I call bs right there. I am currently working in a large building, the previous electrical contractor in the building was union, I am non union. I am retro fitting line voltage HCAC controls, and the shoddy work the previous company did was a joke. There is no consistency, some blatant unsafe connections and then the units where they installed the controls but never made the final connections. Well I too have seen the opposite, BLATANT electrical code violations and numerous unsafe conditions by non-union electrical workers.. Even at the job I am at now, the electrical code violations would run pages, if the inspectors were to show up, and this is in a building that is historically non-union. I have also been on union jobs where the "customer" orders us to do work a certain way, usually in violation of electrical codes, or we are out! Someone ought to start a blog... the whistleblower kind!
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said by jwersan :I have also been on union jobs where the "customer" orders us to do work a certain way, usually in violation of electrical codes, or we are out! If thats the case honestly you or your company should refuse to do that work, union shop or non union shop. |
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