how-to block ads
|
|
Share Topic
 |
 |
|
|
| reply to pnh102
Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing People should realize Verizon is a 1+ billion dollar profitable QUARTERLY company 4 many yrs, It can afford to TAKE care of me. This is not GM or Airlines, where my fellow union members did sacrifice their wages/benefits. VZ is extremely profitable, and now with FIOS IN NYC, A CASH COW, and I mean a cash cow. it has the money and I as a 28 yr employee of NYTEL/AT&T/NYNEX/BELL ATLANTIC AND NOW VERIZON, BETTER take care of me instead of giving chairman of the board & 5 other directors 82 Million dollars last yr. Come on people UNIONS has lost ground since Regan fire air traffic controllers & Clinton ok NAFTA. we as THE COMMON WORKER are now paying the price for it. Verizon CATERS TO BIG BUSINESS'S/WALL ST & SHARE HOLDERS, UNIONS CATERS TO THE WORKING MAN. SO IT IS DAVID VZ GOLIATH. I am so upset that the company hired contractors and especially brought out MCI (NOW VERIZON BUSINESS)Verizon busines is non-union people, AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT STATES NEW BUSINESS WORK IS "FOLDED" INTO THE UNION, BUT verizon does not look at it that way. They are breaking a contract & fios installed by contractors, that also is contractual, and they are breaking that. This is stuff "outside" folks don't see/know. The union employee is getting less work, then ask if we wanna leave (makes us an offer.)It is very scary and an omen, UNIONS don't have the bargaining and muscle anymore like we use to. Shit I want to work, I am a damn devoted "working" union man, but Verizon don't want me, so I ain't leaving quietly. Again A BILLION DOLLARS PLUS each quarter in PROFITS. trust me they can afford to spend roughly 3 billion dollars it cost each yr to take care of the union employees which is benefits (100+ billion dollar a yr company). They got the money. & remember I am on the landline side of the house which is shrinking, we know that, but again verizon wireless (which also is not union) made 1.5 million new customers this QUARTER. and on top of that now Verizon brought AL-Tel wireless 10 million customers for 28 BILLION and so stupid is 5 billion is the price & 23 billion of it is 'DEBT" NOW THAT IS A WASTE OF MONEY. so again, if u have 28 billion 2 buy another company, u can take care of me. Verizon has no foot to stand on. it has money and as a 28 union employee I want my piece of it. Absolutely no reason for this bargaining to be so stupidly intense. CWA/IBEW Union employees don't ask for the world, only to be compensated "fairly". Verizon will be for ever NEW YORK TELEPHONE, I cant wait for AT&T to buy Verzion so I can wear my New York Telephone Shirt. Remember history, at disvestire, there were 7 baby bells now there are two (well 3 Qwest) are now left, DO I SEE MO-NO-PO-LY AGAIN???? believe me it will happen... | | |
|
Reviews:
 ·WOW Internet and..
| they do take care of you already. they pay a part of your health care and they give a job with a raise. If you don't like what they already give you go find another job who will give you want you want. VZ does not owe a dime nor job.
and they do NOT have to take care of YOU, your family nor anyone else who works for them. Their purpose is to service their customers and turn a profit at doing so and put more money back in the company. Not pay you damn greedy ass union employees who think you need to hear $40+ an hour sitting your ass putting a fiber optic line in PVC for 3 hours or taking 8 or more hours to install FiOS when you have 2 others set for install the same day but you don't have to install them becuase the Union says you have such a long period to install each of them; VZ can't do anything to you. I call it BULLSHIT! If you don't like the way comapnies work i suggest you start your own and let your employees become union and start paying what they want plus 80=% in their healthcare. It won't happen you'll be on here bitching about how you hate unions too.
VZ SHOULD LOCK YOUR ASS OUT! KILL THE UNIONS! WE HAVE LABOR LAWS FOR A REASON! UNION'S SUCK! LOCK 'EM OUT VZ! | |
| reply to Discolarry1
Tell me in your words what do you mean by "fairly"? You don't pay for health care and you make a wage higher than many jobs out there. And sorry, the auto industry was extremely profitable too, and they lost revenues, and they closed plants, and they laid off union workers. Find out what they are doing today? | |
 CabalPremium
join:2007-01-21
Austin, TX | reply to Discolarry1
Always something for nothing. Sad. | |
| reply to Discolarry1
said by Discolarry1:People should realize Verizon is a 1+ billion dollar profitable QUARTERLY company 4 many yrs, It can afford to TAKE care of me. This is not GM or Airlines, where my fellow union members did sacrifice their wages/benefits. VZ is extremely profitable, and now with FIOS IN NYC, A CASH COW, and I mean a cash cow. it has the money and I as a 28 yr employee of NYTEL/AT&T/NYNEX/BELL ATLANTIC AND NOW VERIZON, BETTER take care of me instead of giving chairman of the board & 5 other directors 82 Million dollars last yr. Come on people UNIONS has lost ground since Regan fire air traffic controllers & Clinton ok NAFTA. we as THE COMMON WORKER are now paying the price for it. Verizon CATERS TO BIG BUSINESS'S/WALL ST & SHARE HOLDERS, UNIONS CATERS TO THE WORKING MAN. SO IT IS DAVID VZ GOLIATH. I am so upset that the company hired contractors and especially brought out MCI (NOW VERIZON BUSINESS)Verizon busines is non-union people, AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT STATES NEW BUSINESS WORK IS "FOLDED" INTO THE UNION, BUT verizon does not look at it that way. They are breaking a contract & fios installed by contractors, that also is contractual, and they are breaking that. This is stuff "outside" folks don't see/know. The union employee is getting less work, then ask if we wanna leave (makes us an offer.)It is very scary and an omen, UNIONS don't have the bargaining and muscle anymore like we use to. Shit I want to work, I am a damn devoted "working" union man, but Verizon don't want me, so I ain't leaving quietly. Again A BILLION DOLLARS PLUS each quarter in PROFITS. trust me they can afford to spend roughly 3 billion dollars it cost each yr to take care of the union employees which is benefits (100+ billion dollar a yr company). They got the money. & remember I am on the landline side of the house which is shrinking, we know that, but again verizon wireless (which also is not union) made 1.5 million new customers this QUARTER. and on top of that now Verizon brought AL-Tel wireless 10 million customers for 28 BILLION and so stupid is 5 billion is the price & 23 billion of it is 'DEBT" NOW THAT IS A WASTE OF MONEY. so again, if u have 28 billion 2 buy another company, u can take care of me. Verizon has no foot to stand on. it has money and as a 28 union employee I want my piece of it. Absolutely no reason for this bargaining to be so stupidly intense. CWA/IBEW Union employees don't ask for the world, only to be compensated "fairly". Verizon will be for ever NEW YORK TELEPHONE, I cant wait for AT&T to buy Verzion so I can wear my New York Telephone Shirt. Remember history, at disvestire, there were 7 baby bells now there are two (well 3 Qwest) are now left, DO I SEE MO-NO-PO-LY AGAIN???? believe me it will happen... The air traffic controller issue is not relevant. Congress passed a law that made it illegal for the gov't union to strike, to protect the people. Reagan was upholding the law as set forth by Congress.
NAFTA opened up free trade. If American companies have goods to sell, doesn't it make sense to try to be able to sell to as many as possible? That allows a company to grow, hire more employees, who will pay taxes, expanding the tax base, which means more revenue for the gov't...... | |
 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
4 edits | All NAFTA did was send manufacturing jobs out of the country along with the jobs of their suppliers. The ever increasing trade deficit despite the falling dollar PROVES free trade to be a total failure. And it's free trade policies that have our economy in the toilet.
US based business will NEVER be able to compete with slave wages paid overseas. And they'll certainly not compete with nations with no labor standards, no environmental standards and often gov't subsidies.
Free trade isn't fair trade. | |
1 edit | said by Dogfather:All NAFTA did was send manufacturing jobs out of the country along with the jobs of their suppliers. The ever increasing trade deficit despite the falling dollar PROVES free trade to be a total failure. US based business will NEVER be able to compete with slave wages paid overseas. And they'll certainly not compete with nations with no labor standards, no environmental standards and often gov't subsidies. Free trade isn't fair trade. Strongly disagree. A weak dollar is a monetary issue. And now, with a weak dollar, some have speculated that manufacturing would come back into the country.
Joseph Schumpter (late economist) had a phrase, "Gales of Creative Destruction", as economies transitioned from jobs of one type to jobs of another. This country is more service-oriented than it was years ago.
100 or more years ago, I'll bet everyone was saying the same about blacksmiths, who used to be quite prevalent back then. We also heard how computers were going to replace people for work, but instead, we needed far more people to program, fix, and write software for them.
Trade deficits occur for other reasons too. When our economy is stronger, we import more than we export.
Some things might need to be fixed, but NAFTA isn't a failure. Look at the unemployment rate. About 7% when enacted, and bottomed at 3.9% before the late 2000 recession. The Fed used to worry about inflation occurring at 6% unemployment, but was taught the lesson that more people working isn't inflationary.
edit: BTW, look at the chart of the dollar. It's been base-building since February, and has been stronger as of late. Oil is a dollar-denominated asset, so a good part of the rise in prices was due to the dollar index falling from over 120 six years ago, to about 70 earlier this year. With the oil bubble bursting, that will act as a tax cut and economic stimulus, helping strengthen the dollar which is already shown signs of turning around, and that stronger dollar will in turn affect oil prices again. Most people don't realize wholesale gasoline prices have fallen by almost 60 cents in the last couple of weeks, it just isn't all reflected at the pump yet. The dollar is also affected by what other central banks do with their currency. The Euro is way too strong, and the EU has kept rates way too high for what is going on there. | |
| reply to hottboiinnc
YOU SOUND UPSET AT THE COMMON UNION PERSON, BUT THEN AGAIN U AIN'T IN MY SHOES. You would want the same thing. U really distate union man, but that is ok, this is america free speech, i repsect your comments, but also again, U are not in my shoes. so if u got a job, and are paying for your benefits, then DO BAD FOR YOU. and each yr your employer will continually stick it 2 u. Being union ain't that badd. don't be angry, we are just talking... | |
| reply to mr man4
fair is: when a company is profitable then its own workers should share in the profits. We are only asking for our benefits to remain the same or will of course take more, again realize they have the money. Yes auto was extremely profitable but a company is run by managers, not union/or common workers, i blame the big guys WHO MADE the decision in the auto industry. people really don't realize we are asking for a fair package, not the world. just because people pay for their benefits don't mean we have to. We are extremely profitable and will forever be. it is called MONOPOLY, and thats the way it is and I am in it. Again if u were in my shoes u think differently. I respect your comments. | |
 JRW2R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
kudos:5
·Optimum Online
| reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:All NAFTA did was send manufacturing jobs out of the country along with the jobs of their suppliers. The ever increasing trade deficit despite the falling dollar PROVES free trade to be a total failure. And it's free trade policies that have our economy in the toilet. US based business will NEVER be able to compete with slave wages paid overseas. And they'll certainly not compete with nations with no labor standards, no environmental standards and often gov't subsidies. Free trade isn't fair trade. Someone who UNDERSTANDS reality...
When NAFTA was first proposed, those involved wanted to change the "F" in it from "free" to "fair", and all the companies screamed bloody blue murder!
The auto industry is in the mess it is in because of MANAGEMENT decisions, and has little to do with anything the unions have negotiated for.
One of the first things the auto industry did after NAFTA was signed, was to close plants in the US and open them in Mexico, all the while telling the unions they had no money to modernise the plants in the US, yet they could build BRAND NEW plants in Mexico. 
--
RIAA/MPAA... Bite me!!!!
In constant search for intelligent life on Earth! | |
| reply to MrSpock29
the air traffic controlers only wanted what they deserved and yes did not have a right 2 strike, but please "protect the people". that is true, but Reagan was purely anti union and pro business, just like Bush. NAFTA IS garbage, the businesses all manufacture in canada/mexico & elsewhere casuse it is easier to pay someone 1.00 or less, yes or less than to pay american $7.00+ with benefits. LOOK AT OUR EXPORTS TO IMPORT RATIOS. we are getting FXXK by our american companies manufacturing good overseas and profitable very handsomely, P.S. Hershey chocolate Bar is not he american bar anymore, it is manufactured in MEXICO... please nafta is crap. we lost out the commen american worker. Again i repsect your comments. | |
JRW2R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
kudos:5 Reviews:
·Optimum Online
| reply to MrSpock29
said by MrSpock29:[Look at the unemployment rate. About 7% when enacted, and bottomed at 3.9% before the late 2000 recession. You're being myopic if you are ONLY looking at the percentages of unemployment. Real wages are what you should be looking at and that has been declining for OVER 30 years. When someone loses a 40K job and takes a 30K job, the employment percentages may not change, but that person's real income has decreased...
BTW, other reasons for declines in unemployment are due to people who give up looking, not by them finding a job.
Jobs at Wal-Mart have increased over the past few years, has that had a positive impact on wages?
I doubt it. 
--
RIAA/MPAA... Bite me!!!!
In constant search for intelligent life on Earth! | |
| reply to JRW2
said by JRW2:said by Dogfather:All NAFTA did was send manufacturing jobs out of the country along with the jobs of their suppliers. The ever increasing trade deficit despite the falling dollar PROVES free trade to be a total failure. And it's free trade policies that have our economy in the toilet. US based business will NEVER be able to compete with slave wages paid overseas. And they'll certainly not compete with nations with no labor standards, no environmental standards and often gov't subsidies. Free trade isn't fair trade. Someone who UNDERSTANDS reality... When NAFTA was first proposed, those involved wanted to change the "F" in it from "free" to "fair", and all the companies screamed bloody blue murder! The auto industry is in the mess it is in because of MANAGEMENT decisions, and has little to do with anything the unions have negotiated for. One of the first things the auto industry did after NAFTA was signed, was to close plants in the US and open them in Mexico, all the while telling the unions they had no money to modernise the plants in the US, yet they could build BRAND NEW plants in Mexico. Keep in mind capital flows where it can get the best return on investment. Maybe we should be looking there, since we have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, just barely behind Japan. No one wants to see jobs leave this country, but job markets always change, that is part of growth and evolution. Again, why is no one complaining about protecting blacksmith's anymore, since their jobs pretty much died off? In 100 years, the economy will be different still, and the types of jobs will also be different. The new jobs of today might be on their way out then. | |
1 edit | reply to JRW2
said by JRW2:said by MrSpock29:[Look at the unemployment rate. About 7% when enacted, and bottomed at 3.9% before the late 2000 recession. You're being myopic if you are ONLY looking at the percentages of unemployment. Real wages are what you should be looking at and that has been declining for OVER 30 years. When someone loses a 40K job and takes a 30K job, the employment percentages may not change, but that person's real income has decreased... BTW, other reasons for declines in unemployment are due to people who give up looking, not by them finding a job. Jobs at Wal-Mart have increased over the past few years, has that had a positive impact on wages? I doubt it. If they've been declining for over 30 years, then why blame NAFTA which has been around for 10? Can't have it both ways.
I am well aware of the issues with data, believe me (re: Unemployment decreasing). However, these issues have always existed, if they just started TODAY, then it would be different.
The computer field makes a lot of money now, a field that didn't exist much at all 30 years ago.
Job re-training is something that should be emphasized, as that would be helpful too. | |
 JigsawStardust We ArePremium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH | reply to Discolarry1
IMHO then i think its time to put some hard core Tariffs on these company's.I work for the auto Industry and its in shambles Gas has alot to do with it but also People no longer have the good jobs to buy those 30k(or even 15k) Cars so they sit at the dealers and the ball starts rolling down the hill. I for one would Welcome another Cold War at least most of the Jobs stayed in the United States and there was a middle class now its Rich or Poor.
--
"It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."-George Carlin
| |
DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to MrSpock29
We're not talking obsolete jobs like blacksmithing. Where talking good jobs like coding, manufacturing and engineering that are being outsourced because the gov't is rewarding the outsourcing. | |
1 edit | reply to hottboiinnc
TO hottboiinnc:
As a service tech, I more than earn my $30 an hour. I am exposed to more hazards on a daily basis than any other profession that I can think of. The hazardous things that I am exposed to on a daily basis in people's disgusting homes are well worth the company picking up my healthcare cost alone. The 3 skill sets (Phone, TV, Computers/Internet) that I have mastered are well worth my $30 an hour. | |
| reply to hottboiinnc
TO hottboiinnc:
As a service tech, I more than earn my $30 an hour. I am exposed to more hazards on a daily basis than any other profession that I can think of. The hazardous things that I am exposed to on a daily basis in people's disgusting homes are well worth the company picking up my healthcare cost alone. The 3 skill sets (Phone, TV, Computers/Internet) that I have mastered are well worth my $30 an hour. | |
DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to MrSpock29
NAFTA accelerated the decline of US based manufacturing and when the plants left the trickle down effect decimated their suppliers.
I supply tooling to companies like Acument, Alcoa and Robert Bosch and see first hand what happens when a US factory closes and reopens in China or Malaysia. They buy tooling from there instead of here. And I certainly can't compete with slave wages being paid there or against their total lack of labor and environmental standards. Hell, the freight costs alone are a deal killer, no matter how cheap the dollar gets.
When jobs are outsources, EVERYONE loses except the shareholders. Customers don't even benefit as the quality of goods goes in the shitter...lead in toys, poison dog food and toothpaste... | |
| reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:We're not talking obsolete jobs like blacksmithing. Where talking good jobs like coding, manufacturing and engineering that are being outsourced because the gov't is rewarding the outsourcing. My point is, that when those jobs started on a major decline long ago, they weren't obsolete back then either. Nor am I saying manufacturing jobs are or should be obsolete. I am talking about CHANGE. The marketplace changed, and other areas saw job creation, where those saw job destruction. "Gales of Creative Destruction".
| |
|
