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Re: Please!

reply to Jafo232
I have "shared" music with my entire block before - my last car had (roughly) 1260 WATTS RMS @ 0.5% THD.

Music?
Ever hear about Internet Radio?
Ever hear about recording software?
Many of us have, and recording music is not illegal.

Music is so unimportant - to me at least.
Movies, well, I am a member at a site where I can rent movies for next to nothing(less than $1.00).

So, all this posturing about theft and stealing is rather pointless.
Copying, no matter what anyone tries to say, is not "stealing", period.

Some of you are... funny.
You go right ahead and keep telling yourselves that copying is theft/stealing/piracy.
If it makes you happy, I'm ok with it!

Now, I have to add a few items to my ORB page - see ya!
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Think outside the Fox... Opera

reply to jjoshua
Please explain the difference? I mean, I get HBO, am I allowed to record movies from that? I'm PAYING for HBO, and the movies are exactly the same as the DVD I'm renting. Again, apart from the DMCA, which I don't follow, please explain the difference? The only difference I see is the convenience for me. It's more convenient for me to copy it from a DVD than it is for me to record the exact same thing from HBO. So you're telling me, that the law states I can't place/time shift the media, I LEGALLY ACQUIRED, to a different device, so I can watch it on my own schedule? Please, stop drinking the **AA kool-aid. The fact that I don't CHOOSE to watch it on their terms, does not mean that I give up all rights to watch it. I PAID THEM MONEY for the product, how I use that product is up to ME. I don't give up my rights just because 'they say' I give up my rights.
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The happiest countries are the most secular. The struggle AGAINST corporations is the struggle FOR humanity!

reply to dadkins
I think it's pretty clear that your view of "property" is a bit different from some of us. Not trying to pigeonhole you but your POV is aligned with libertarian thinking... IOW, not denying all property rights but not believing in perpetual rights, etc.

This is all fine, so far. How to handle the concept of property and maintain a society is something humanity has grappled with forever, experimenting with all sorts of theories and models, etc.

Theories aside... there's the small technicality that our society already has a working model that does not match your POV. Here's a write up on "property"... »www.lectlaw.com/def2/p100.htm

reply to dadkins
The only insults here are yours. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, instead of supposing that you're just being a complete idiot. I can only assume now that when you've lost an argument, all you can do is resort to name-calling. I've always known you're opinionated, and that's fine. But really, shouldn't you be looking in a mirror when you say these things?

I'm no kid, nor do I act like one. Pity I can't say the same about you. I think you knew perfectly well that I didn't mean something that I myself had dropped--sidewalk, street, wherever. I just don't pay that much attention to trash on the ground. But if you're so bad off that you look for money just lying around, then maybe your coworkers should be careful not to leave any lying on their desks--you don't seem to mind taking other things that you know don't belong to you.

BTW (that means "by the way"), I've been a registered member at BBR since 2002, although I've been coming to the site for longer than that (well before it became 'BBR'); I just don't bother to login almost all of the time. Why should I? To impress people like you? Sure.

reply to captain456

said by captain456 :

said by dadkins:

said by ja2007123:

Copying without the authorization of the author is illegal don't you think.
If I go to blockbuster, and I take a laptop, I can make a copy of the dvd and that would be stupid and illegal.

So my point, it doesn't matter if the original is in possession of its owner, you are making a copy WITHOUTH authorization.

There is no theft! No one stole anything.

It is Copyright Infringement at best! Nothing more!

Bring your scenario to my house.
Grab________ DVD or Blu-ray.
Knock yourself out!
Now what?
I paid money for my discs.
If you ask me, I have no problem with you having a copy - of any media I own.
CDs
DVDs
Blu-rays
Games
Applications
Insert data here ___________

Since I allowed you access to my library, you did not steal anything... did you?

You are not a pirate, you are not a thief.
Even if you were to look at it from the point of view of the author - it is not theft!
*I* would never call you a thief - you didn't steal anything! You copied it!

All my childhood growing up I was always told to share...
Want one?

EDIT: Got VCR? Got DVR? Do you know what they do? They copy.
Does that also make you a thief?

I have the whole 1st season of Robot Chicken on one of my HDDs - part of season 2.
Did I "Steal" them?

Yes it is theft. Do you not understand that you do NOT OWN THE MOVIE even if you buy the DVD? You own the physical dvd and that is all. You DO NOT own the content on the DVD. All you bought was the privalige (or in softwares case lisence) to watch the movie. It's not yours to share with even your friends. by doing so you are STEALING the content on the DVD. and no I'm not in the industry and yes I've done the same thing myself I just am man enough to admit it is not right and I don't have to lie to myself and others to sleep at night.

reply to karlmarx
So you're saying that if you rent the movie, you should have the same "rights" to watch the movie as someone who actually purchased the move?

Why not just make a few extra copies and give them to your friends... You could say that you are place shifting your movie so you could watch it at your friends house whenever you want to time shift it over there.

When you rent, you haven't acquired anything. Again, a 5 year old can grasp this concept.

reply to dadkins
Basically, you're equating copying movies from DVDs that you don't own to finding $5 bills on the sidewalk? So, you have, what? dozens, hundreds, ...thousands? of movies that you've copied? You just sort of found them lying around? Wow, some street. Or was it on the "information superhighway" that you found them? And you just have no idea who the owner is, so you're just keeping them safe for the owner till he/she shows up to claim them? You are such a nice guy.

Or is your motto "finders keepers, losers weepers"? "Take what you can, give nothing back"? (Harrr)

OK, let's not call it theft--you don't seem to understand what the word means anyway. Do you even accept that it's wrong to copy copyrighted material that you don't own and for which you don't have authority from the owner to do so? (The term "copyright" should have made it clear to you.) Or are you so deluded as to not understand even this?

Hey, I don't care... "infringe" all the crap you want to--I have no respect for anyone associated with either the RIAA or the MPAA, but don't try to hold on to some moral high ground when you do it. You just make yourself look clueless. You've taken something that wasn't given to you by its owner. That's theft.

reply to captain456
Please post the criminal law stating copying is theft then. You can't, because it doesn't exist. Thanks for posting your uninformed opinion, based off what you read from people who had interests in misleading you.

reply to meh37
You're being delusional if you think the issue with file sharing and intellectual property/copyright is black and white like you are claiming it is. You say "making a copy for yourself is OK, making a copy for someone else is not".

So what if I buy a movie, and I decide to make a copy for my three year old son (since he destroys disks). It's not for me, but him. Now i'm a theif? What if it was for my adopted son? what if it was for my 18 year old son (who act's like he's 3)? what if he doesn't? What if it's for my cousin who's lived with me for 20 years? what if it's for my cousin who technically lives next door but practically lives at the same house as me? What if my retail copy gets stolen can I use my sons copy? What if I thought it was stolen but my son had put it in the trash instead? By law am I not allowed to make any copy ever for any reason? And so on and so on and so on... There is no clear cut law that differentiates where that line is.

Copyright infringement is certainly NOT theft in particular semantics, and the cases and penalties in law are most certainly not the same. In fact it would be much cheaper if in fact the infringer had simply committed theft and stolen a movie from a store, rather than copied a movie without authorization. The law differentiates the acts, yet you do not. That's fine I suppose, but it's probably better to keep it to yourself if that's the case.

reply to Jafo232
I'm pretty sure he would care less if you copied his car (duplicated it in such a way as to not deprive him of his own use of it) and shared it with your friends.

I doubt the police man would care if you had a duplicate of the car just so long as you had payed taxes and insurance.

Hertz may be upset if you rent a car from them, duplicate it and then take back the rental because now you simply do not have to rent from them again, but that would seem to be an issue with their business model at that point.

reply to delusion FTL
Read up on Fair Use and what "personal use" means. Personal use is typically defined as for yourself and others in your domicile. If your son (or cousin) lives with you, then that's Fair Use. If your son does not live with you, that is not Fair Use.

What you don't understand about Fair Use is your problem.