Topic 'Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell...' in forum 'TekSavvy' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20892883 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:13:47 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:13:47 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20897118 said by sbrook:

Bell Aliant covers the maritimes ... it doesn't cover ON and QC, except in as much as Bell Canada has essentially brought Aliant into ON and QC to do some of the work it did itself in the past.
Thinking the Aliant name was mostly just used in a Trust structural play for tax purposes.
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20897118 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:51:27 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20896882 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20896882 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:01:54 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20894480
»bell.aliant.ca/english/index.asp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20894480 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:09:34 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20894396
? (NFLD)
Island Tel (PEI)
Maritime Tel & Tel (NS)
NB Tel (NB)
Bell Canada (QC, ON)
MTS
Sasktel
AGT (alberta)
BCTel

Plus we had (have) a number of small independents like Thunder Bay.

So, no, MTS was not a small independent ... they were Manitoba's Regional telco.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20894396 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:51:58 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20894266 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20894266 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:18:48 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20894039 said by sbrook:

MTS is a small independent telco???? PARDON????

Compared to Bell Canada, yes, Manitoba Telephone System is comparatively small, serving only the province of Manitoba, but they are still a significant player.
Before Allstream they were only significant in Manitoba.
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"If bullshit was money this guy would be richer that Bill Gates." - quote by olebiker on Mirko Bibic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20894039 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:23:38 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893944
Compared to Bell Canada, yes, Manitoba Telephone System is comparatively small, serving only the province of Manitoba, but they are still a significant player.

MTS was still big enough to buy out AT&T Canada to form MTS Allstream and thrust itself on the national stage.

Allstream provides residential LD and dialup internet services in Ontario. It is a major payphone provider and business telephone service provider outside of Manitoba. It is also a major BUSINESS services DSL provider outside Manitoba.

MTS Allstream never was "small" and is now a major player, so their involvement in getting Bell to play with more reasonable rules could have some very interesting side effects! Go MTS Go!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893944 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:03:12 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893869 said by cfraser2:

I am shocked anybody thinks MTS Allstream would do anything to help anybody except themselves. To think they are "better" than Bell and more believable in their pronouncements would be a huge mistake based on their past behavior. It must be because they don't get the press in Ont/Que that they do out west...
MTS is a small independent telco, they have no need to get involved in business elsewhere. With Allstream however, they serve many big businesses so they need to be involved in these issues.
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"If bullshit was money this guy would be richer that Bill Gates." - quote by olebiker on Mirko Bibic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893869 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:48:43 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893838 said by Bellundo :

What has this got to do with anything? Right now we're seeing newsgroup service being dropped by many isps in America. We know kiddy porn has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Now soon we're going to see if the isp's reduce the subscription prices like Canada didn't do or if these American isp's get sued for dropping usenet service and not reducing the subscription rates.
Some of the dropping of newsgroups is that in litigation-happy USA if 12-year old Junior accesses porn newsgroups you could have your ass sued. If the ISP doesn't offer newsgroups then the liability shifts to the customer who must subscribe to his/her own service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893838 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:43:35 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893805 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893805 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:35:21 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893663 said by R0CKY:

said by mlerner:

As long as it's reasonable pricing, I'm all for it. It's interesting that MTS is getting into this battle, I don't think even Allstream does wholesale.
Believe they do Business/Corporate class DSL.
They do that and a lot more, including non-DSL connectivity solutions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893663 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:01:04 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893401 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893401 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:50:55 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893049 said by R0CKY:

said by mlerner:

As long as it's reasonable pricing, I'm all for it. It's interesting that MTS is getting into this battle, I don't think even Allstream does wholesale.
Believe they do Business/Corporate class DSL.
Ahh.. I'm only familiar with their VoIP services.
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"If bullshit was money this guy would be richer that Bill Gates." - quote by olebiker on Mirko Bibic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893049 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:21:45 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893043 said by mlerner:

As long as it's reasonable pricing, I'm all for it. It's interesting that MTS is getting into this battle, I don't think even Allstream does wholesale.
Believe they do Business/Corporate class DSL.
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893043 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:20:34 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893036 --
"If bullshit was money this guy would be richer that Bill Gates." - quote by olebiker on Mirko Bibic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893036 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:19:49 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893024 --
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893024 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:15:58 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893004 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20893004 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:12:37 EDT Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20892946
Still wonder how the non-ATM side of Bell's infrastructure, where they've spent millions on, is doing on capacity as it has yet to be discussed or disclosed!
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20892946 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:00:19 EDT One of the other battles currently going on against Bell... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/One-of-the-other-battles-currently-going-on-against-Bell-20892883
»www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2008/···7266.htm

In this Application to the CRTC, MTS Allstream asks that the Commission reclassify Aggregated ADSL Access services as essential. If granted, the Commission would order ILECs to change the pricing of Aggregated ADSL Access services to reflect essential facility principles, namely that the service be priced at Phase II costs plus a fixed mark-up of 15 per cent.

In support of its Application, MTS Allstream points out that in Bell’s 150508 Application with respect to ADSL Access service (such as Bell’s GT 5400 service and as distinct from Aggregated ADSL Access service), Bell indicated that it would be too costly and inefficient from a network provisioning perspective for it to comply with the Commission’s order in Decision 2008-17 that Bell provide ADSL Access service at each central office in order to address the problem of users served via fibre-fed remotes. MTS Allstream also pointed out that aside from the problem of remotes, the ADSL Access service included an outmoded ATM-based interface. Furthermore, MTS Allstream pointed out that in Decision 2008-17, the Commission found as a fact that it was not economically feasible for competitors to co-locate in each central office and that in the majority of cases, there were no viable alternatives to access end-users other than through the ILECs’ Aggregated ADSL Access services and the cable-company provided third party Internet access (TPIA) services.

In light of the foregoing, MTS Allstream submitted that until such time as ADSL Access service is made available in a way that overcome both the problem of remotes and the problem of the outmoded ATM-based interfaces, MTS Allstream submitted that Aggregated ADSL Access services should be classified as essential.

This one could be interesting to follow, specially with all the abuse on the GAS/5410 side of things right now....
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