kewlkeed
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Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D?
I see why brand name debates are pretty useless here as everyone nitpicks and argues them (And the gramatics of it) until they are blue in the face, when it all comes down to a personal preference.
I think the better thing to do, is ignore just about everyone here, PICK UP the darn thing in your hands, DO some shots with it, TRY some others, and then CHOSE the one YOU like. Not the one I like, or the one anyone else likes. If you like it and it works for you, then congrads, you now have the best camera in the world.
Asking what is the best camera (or even comparing two), is like asking what is the best car. Depends what you do, how you use it, and in the end, which just feels better to you. They're all gonna get you from A to Z in some way or another, and that's where your feeling needs to lead you.
People need to learn, it's not the camera that matters but the guy behind it that makes all the difference. |
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TigerNutz
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| Well put kewlkeed!
Some people have to go through several bodies/brands to find the one that fits their individual needs/tastes.   |
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Jodokast96
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said by kewlkeed  :I think the better thing to do, is ignore just about everyone here... Including you? Seriously though, you're right. While I certainly have my own preferences, I do try my best to explain the pros and cons of each, and try to make it as clear as possible what's fact and only my opinion. |
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normat
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said by ddevilduck :I recently bought the D60 kit. As a first time dSLR owner price was my main deciding factor. That and I liked how the D60 felt when holding it than the Canon Xsi felt. As far as lenses, I found myself using manual focus more than the auto focus just because I quickly learned that I wanted to control what was happening instead of letting the camera do it. Goodness, that has got to take some serious skill and good eyesight to manually focus a D60. |
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kewlkeed
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Hehehe Well yes actually in a way ignoring myself as well. Like I said I'm biased to Canon, but that's me and only me (If ya wanna follow so be it). I don't even like the idea of listing pros and cons because what may be a pro to me may turn someone else off.
For instance I think it's a massive con that the strobes I bought have an external sensor that fires them... I hate the idea, but for someone with a small camera that just wants to get their feet wet, you may have just handed them something that would have otherwise been utterly useless to them without it.
To all their own I think. I've outshot 10K cameras with a crap 1.3MP junker. Comes down to being in the right place at the right time, pressing the button, saying a small prayer (LOL) and looking at what you got. It certainly comes down to the photographer and their preferences and not the camera itself.
Also comes down to technique and how "far you will go" for a shot. I've gone neck deep in a lake with my rebel, I've taken it on roller coasters, and I've hung over the edge of moving vehicles with it. And again outshot someone with a 1D-MK3 all because I took the extra step, and tried not to wet my pants doing it LMAO! |
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gugarci
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Bergen Co | reply to drlouis
Like it's been mentioned, it's a tool. Go to a store and see which tool feels more comfortable to work with. |
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SueS
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said by Jodokast96 :said by SueS :He said, you CAN ONLY use EF S "only on the crop bodies" 100% correct. He didn't say on crop bodies, you can only use EF-S. If he said: "You can only use EF-S on the crop bodies", you would be correct. Using "only" twice creates the confusion. Using it once but in different places gives you two different meanings. But once you place it in the second postion, there is only one meaning, though a bit confusing. Just as long as the original poster understands the difference is all that is important. |
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kewlkeed
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Hehehe fun experience... When I say it comes down to the feel of it, this is how picky/bad I am...
I'm used to shooting Canon, so for me to use a 35mm or DSLR the controls are normally all in the same places and follow the same functions...
When I was originally using a Nikon to test with (I believe a D60 at the time too) I don't think I've ever swore so much in my life trying to find buttons and get them at the right time etc. Most of my shooting is done at high speed and doesn't get a second chance. So it burns my butt when I'm fumbling with controls (Not because they aren't there, or wrong, just that I don't know where they are in a heartbeat)
So yes it's all about the feel. I'm sure if I handed my cam to a Nikon fanatic they'd probably do the same lol |
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ddevilduck
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said by normat :said by ddevilduck :I recently bought the D60 kit. As a first time dSLR owner price was my main deciding factor. That and I liked how the D60 felt when holding it than the Canon Xsi felt. As far as lenses, I found myself using manual focus more than the auto focus just because I quickly learned that I wanted to control what was happening instead of letting the camera do it. Goodness, that has got to take some serious skill and good eyesight to manually focus a D60. i wouldnt say i have a good eye or skill.
I thought it was kinda simple, you turn the ring thing toward the front of the lens till what you see in the viewer looks the way you think it should. I dont have a photographer's eye so what I think may be good is not good to someone else. |
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normat
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clubs: | No, I just find it rather hard myself to manual focus with the smaller viewfinders. They just aren't built for that anymore.
Though I'll sometimes MF with a tripod and stationary subject. |
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ddevilduck
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Minneapolis, MN | i agree with you that the viewfinder is small. i have to smooosh my eye right in there to see what I want well. |
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Jodokast96
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That's not picky at all. That's exactly why I suggested the D80 over it, and why I personally love the K10D. And it's exactly the reason I decided not to get an XTi when purchasing a DSLR. The XTi was the camera I was going to buy, no doubt about it. But I was given the advice to actually hold one before buying anything. So I did. Picked one up. Ok, feels fine. Then I picked up the Sony A100 next to it. Whoa! How much better did that feel. Now I just had to pick up the D80. Bigger whoa! That thing was awesome! Now I had to rethink everything. In the end, it was Pentax. I knew that no matter which camera I bought, I'd get a good quality picture, certainly one that was better than my skills. But it was the feel, and to a lesser extent certain features, that made my mind up for me. |
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normat
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Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D?
Sort of why I like the Canon n0D line - old or new. I know the controls and can set them practically with my eyes closed. I also like the feel of a Nikon D200 but am not quite as familiar with Nikon setups.
I haven't had the pleasure to try the Pentax line but the more manufactures making good equipment the better. |
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drlouis
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whoa! that's a lot of replies!
Well thanks everyone for the input, now I'm even more confused. What is a K10D? I can see clearly that I still have a lot of reading, and apparently playing to do.
I certainly didn't intend to start any in-fighting, I was just looking for some input on some of the things a newbie might not think of. Ie battery life, lenses, over-all quality/durability etc. I really do appreciate the help, and I have a lot to consider now. The biggest problem is gonna be there is a real dearth of shops that have camera's that retail for more than $200 around here. So getting them in my hands will be a challenge. |
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mromero
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| said by drlouis :What is a K10D? »www.dpreview.com/reviews/PentaxK10D/ |
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normat
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Not sure where you are but there is usually a shop or two in most places. The major stores (Best Buys and Circuits) tend to be a pain as their displays are often broken an nobody cares or really understands the products. That and they have those high tension security cables that make it feel more like fishing than photography.
The shops are helpful and but tend to specialize in one brand so you'll often get a biased opinion. Places like Ritz/Wolf tend to carry all the bodies but aren't the best places for lenses. Sometimes you can find really good sales staff there as well.
Durability and battery life are really excellent among all of the major SLRs. Now there could be some durability differences if you'll be slamming it into rocks and dropping it into the ocean. From experience I can say my Rebel XT 350D that I owned for several years was more rugged than any cell phone I've ever owned.
IMHO, I'd rather go with a used higher end body (even with fewer mega pixels) than a newer lower cost body but that also has it's risks. |
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Rubicon
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D60 with the 18-55mm VR and 55-70mm VR is a good start.
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TigerNutz
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1 edit | said by Rubicon :D60 with the 18-55mm VR and 55-70mm VR is a good start. I think you mean the 55-200mm VR.
Or a 18-200mm VR with the D60 |
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One thing that Nikon and Pentax have in most of their bodies that Canon doesn't is Auto ISO.
Auto ISO automatically ramps up the ISO as needed and lowers it when there's enough light. You never have to fiddle with ISO settings for the most part.
Hence, my choice was Nikon. Oh, and the Nikon SB400 flash was probably the other reason I went Nikon.
I shoot a D40 with a 18-200 VR lens. With the SB400, it's a great compact SLR package.
One plus for the D40 is that the flash sync is at 1/500 compared to the 1/250 for most other Nikon like the D40x/60/80.
Sssh. . .but there a guy named Ken who likes the D40 too. . .
»www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recomme···eras.htm |
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