Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? in Digital Imaging Technology http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20897153 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:58:07 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:58:07 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20918086 anon : i just got my nikon d60! very nice and comfortable..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20918086 Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:33:27 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20912648 kewlkeed : Bingo.

Best thing to do is get them in your hands and try them. If your camera shop isn't willing to put one in your hands and let you shoot, they aren't worth your time.

Every shop I've been to has been more than willing to hand me a unit with a card and batteries and let me shoot around the store (Even outside) to my heart's content. Only one was anal enough to say they wouldn't because "I looked too young to hand a serious piece of equipment" (This was Southgate mall in Edmonton for anyone who wants to blacklist a horrible shop, and that does include both of them in the mall, I was 22 at the time)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20912648 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:23:09 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20912174 pog : The fact is that most here have not had extensive hands-on experience with very many cameras. I'm an expert with my Pentax DS... but Canon 450D? Olympus E420? Not nearly an expert.

This means there's a whole lotta baseless conjecture and hyperbole. :)

Then there's the whole issue of relevance that you bring up... even if all the conjecture and hyperbole is not far off the mark, it doesn't necessarily have any practical meaning to the individual asking the questions.
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said by ddevilduck See Profile :

i agree with you that the viewfinder is small. i have to smooosh my eye right in there to see what I want well.
While it wasn't really my idea in the first place, I went ahead and made a chart of (calculated) actual viewfinder sizes here: »Comparing viewfinders
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said by turbonium See Profile :

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One plus for the D40 is that the flash sync is at 1/500 compared to the 1/250 for most other Nikon like the D40x/60/80.
Actually, this isn't all that helpful since the D40's lowest ISO is 200 whereas it's 100 for the D40x/60/80.

IOW, Nikon giveth with one hand and taketh away with the other. :)
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Auto ISO automatically ramps up the ISO as needed and lowers it when there's enough light. You never have to fiddle with ISO settings for the most part.

Hence, my choice was Nikon. Oh, and the Nikon SB400 flash was probably the other reason I went Nikon.

I shoot a D40 with a 18-200 VR lens. With the SB400, it's a great compact SLR package.

One plus for the D40 is that the flash sync is at 1/500 compared to the 1/250 for most other Nikon like the D40x/60/80.

Sssh. . .but there a guy named Ken who likes the D40 too. . . ;)
»www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recomme···eras.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20912059 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:31:15 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20910215 TigerNutz :
said by Rubicon See Profile :

D60 with the 18-55mm VR and 55-70mm VR is a good start.
I think you mean the 55-200mm VR.

Or a 18-200mm VR with the D60]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20910215 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:36:09 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20910191 Rubicon : D60 with the 18-55mm VR and 55-70mm VR is a good start.
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The shops are helpful and but tend to specialize in one brand so you'll often get a biased opinion. Places like Ritz/Wolf tend to carry all the bodies but aren't the best places for lenses. Sometimes you can find really good sales staff there as well.

Durability and battery life are really excellent among all of the major SLRs. Now there could be some durability differences if you'll be slamming it into rocks and dropping it into the ocean. From experience I can say my Rebel XT 350D that I owned for several years was more rugged than any cell phone I've ever owned.

IMHO, I'd rather go with a used higher end body (even with fewer mega pixels) than a newer lower cost body but that also has it's risks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20901022 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:26:58 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20901015 mromero :
said by drlouis See Profile :

What is a K10D?
»www.dpreview.com/reviews/PentaxK10D/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20901015 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:24:04 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20900948 drlouis : whoa! that's a lot of replies!

Well thanks everyone for the input, now I'm even more confused. What is a K10D? I can see clearly that I still have a lot of reading, and apparently playing to do.

I certainly didn't intend to start any in-fighting, I was just looking for some input on some of the things a newbie might not think of. Ie battery life, lenses, over-all quality/durability etc. I really do appreciate the help, and I have a lot to consider now. The biggest problem is gonna be there is a real dearth of shops that have camera's that retail for more than $200 around here. So getting them in my hands will be a challenge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20900948 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:52:53 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20900906 normat : Sort of why I like the Canon n0D line - old or new. I know the controls and can set them practically with my eyes closed. I also like the feel of a Nikon D200 but am not quite as familiar with Nikon setups.

I haven't had the pleasure to try the Pentax line but the more manufactures making good equipment the better. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20900906 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:33:23 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899167 Jodokast96 : That's not picky at all. That's exactly why I suggested the D80 over it, and why I personally love the K10D. And it's exactly the reason I decided not to get an XTi when purchasing a DSLR. The XTi was the camera I was going to buy, no doubt about it. But I was given the advice to actually hold one before buying anything. So I did. Picked one up. Ok, feels fine. Then I picked up the Sony A100 next to it. Whoa! How much better did that feel. Now I just had to pick up the D80. Bigger whoa! That thing was awesome! Now I had to rethink everything. In the end, it was Pentax. I knew that no matter which camera I bought, I'd get a good quality picture, certainly one that was better than my skills. But it was the feel, and to a lesser extent certain features, that made my mind up for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20899167 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:26:35 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898950 ddevilduck : i agree with you that the viewfinder is small. i have to smooosh my eye right in there to see what I want well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898950 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:45:17 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898925 normat : No, I just find it rather hard myself to manual focus with the smaller viewfinders. They just aren't built for that anymore.

Though I'll sometimes MF with a tripod and stationary subject.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898925 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:40:40 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898867 ddevilduck :
said by normat See Profile :

said by ddevilduck See Profile :

I recently bought the D60 kit. As a first time dSLR owner price was my main deciding factor. That and I liked how the D60 felt when holding it than the Canon Xsi felt.

As far as lenses, I found myself using manual focus more than the auto focus just because I quickly learned that I wanted to control what was happening instead of letting the camera do it.
Goodness, that has got to take some serious skill and good eyesight to manually focus a D60.
i wouldnt say i have a good eye or skill.

I thought it was kinda simple, you turn the ring thing toward the front of the lens till what you see in the viewer looks the way you think it should. I dont have a photographer's eye so what I think may be good is not good to someone else.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898867 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:30:14 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898469 kewlkeed : Hehehe fun experience... When I say it comes down to the feel of it, this is how picky/bad I am...

I'm used to shooting Canon, so for me to use a 35mm or DSLR the controls are normally all in the same places and follow the same functions...

When I was originally using a Nikon to test with (I believe a D60 at the time too) I don't think I've ever swore so much in my life trying to find buttons and get them at the right time etc. Most of my shooting is done at high speed and doesn't get a second chance. So it burns my butt when I'm fumbling with controls (Not because they aren't there, or wrong, just that I don't know where they are in a heartbeat)

So yes it's all about the feel. I'm sure if I handed my cam to a Nikon fanatic they'd probably do the same lol :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898469 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:14:05 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898459 SueS :
said by Jodokast96 See Profile :

said by SueS See Profile :

He said, you CAN ONLY use EF S
"only on the crop bodies" 100% correct. He didn't say on crop bodies, you can only use EF-S. If he said:

"You can only use EF-S on the crop bodies",

you would be correct. Using "only" twice creates the confusion. Using it once but in different places gives you two different meanings. But once you place it in the second postion, there is only one meaning, though a bit confusing.
Just as long as the original poster understands the difference is all that is important.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898459 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:12:35 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898451 gugarci : Like it's been mentioned, it's a tool. Go to a store and see which tool feels more comfortable to work with. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898451 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:11:11 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898350 kewlkeed : Hehehe Well yes actually in a way ignoring myself as well. Like I said I'm biased to Canon, but that's me and only me (If ya wanna follow so be it). I don't even like the idea of listing pros and cons because what may be a pro to me may turn someone else off.

For instance I think it's a massive con that the strobes I bought have an external sensor that fires them... I hate the idea, but for someone with a small camera that just wants to get their feet wet, you may have just handed them something that would have otherwise been utterly useless to them without it.

To all their own I think. I've outshot 10K cameras with a crap 1.3MP junker. Comes down to being in the right place at the right time, pressing the button, saying a small prayer (LOL) and looking at what you got. It certainly comes down to the photographer and their preferences and not the camera itself.

Also comes down to technique and how "far you will go" for a shot. I've gone neck deep in a lake with my rebel, I've taken it on roller coasters, and I've hung over the edge of moving vehicles with it. And again outshot someone with a 1D-MK3 all because I took the extra step, and tried not to wet my pants doing it LMAO! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898350 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:51:52 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898309 normat :
said by ddevilduck See Profile :

I recently bought the D60 kit. As a first time dSLR owner price was my main deciding factor. That and I liked how the D60 felt when holding it than the Canon Xsi felt.

As far as lenses, I found myself using manual focus more than the auto focus just because I quickly learned that I wanted to control what was happening instead of letting the camera do it.
Goodness, that has got to take some serious skill and good eyesight to manually focus a D60.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898309 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:44:44 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898300 Jodokast96 :
said by kewlkeed See Profile :

I think the better thing to do, is ignore just about everyone here...
Including you? ;) Seriously though, you're right. While I certainly have my own preferences, I do try my best to explain the pros and cons of each, and try to make it as clear as possible what's fact and only my opinion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898300 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:43:59 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898296 TigerNutz : Well put kewlkeed!

Some people have to go through several bodies/brands to find the one that fits their individual needs/tastes. :D ;) ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898296 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:42:06 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898273 kewlkeed : I see why brand name debates are pretty useless here as everyone nitpicks and argues them (And the gramatics of it) until they are blue in the face, when it all comes down to a personal preference.

I think the better thing to do, is ignore just about everyone here, PICK UP the darn thing in your hands, DO some shots with it, TRY some others, and then CHOSE the one YOU like. Not the one I like, or the one anyone else likes. If you like it and it works for you, then congrads, you now have the best camera in the world.

Asking what is the best camera (or even comparing two), is like asking what is the best car. Depends what you do, how you use it, and in the end, which just feels better to you. They're all gonna get you from A to Z in some way or another, and that's where your feeling needs to lead you.

People need to learn, it's not the camera that matters but the guy behind it that makes all the difference.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898273 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:38:08 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898049 Jodokast96 :
said by SueS See Profile :

He said, you CAN ONLY use EF S
"only on the crop bodies" 100% correct. He didn't say on crop bodies, you can only use EF-S. If he said:

"You can only use EF-S on the crop bodies",

you would be correct. Using "only" twice creates the confusion. Using it once but in different places gives you two different meanings. But once you place it in the second postion, there is only one meaning, though a bit confusing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898049 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:57:26 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897864 SueS : He said, you CAN ONLY use EF S, and I corrected that statement only.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897864 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:26:37 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897835 Jodokast96 :
said by SueS See Profile :

This is not correct info. I only use EF lenses on my XT. I have no EF S lenses.
He's right. If you only use EF lenses, you have nothing to worry about. But if you end up with an EF-S lens for the XSi, you won't be able to use it on any of their FF bodies. Of course it's probably a long shot that he'll every have one, but you never know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897835 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:20:42 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897793 SueS : This is not correct info. I only use EF lenses on my XT. I have no EF S lenses.

You cannot use EF S lenses on full frame cameras however.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897793 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:13:05 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897533 X Man : Price was/is the driving factor for me too, make no mistake. I'm on a low-budget plan. I run a Pentax K100D and a mish mash of ancient MF screw-mount glass along with the kit 18-55mm lens.

I bought the Pentax purely based on price. The cheapest DSLR was going to win in my case. However that doesn't mean I think the IQ or ISO performance of my Pentax is as good as a CMOS sensor in a Canon. In fact, I'm certain it's not.

Regards,
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I don't think this is a problem with other manufactures, I know Nikon DX lenses can be mounted on full frame digital or film bodies with no mechanical issues.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF-S_lens_mount]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897523 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:11:41 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897512 ddevilduck : as a novice, I am not really able to tell the difference between the focusing action between lenses.

Maybe later as a get more experience I can start being concerned with all the neat little things of white balance, smooth focus action. I am learning, but since its still a new hobby, price is for me a driving factor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897512 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:08:49 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897227 X Man :
said by TigerNutz See Profile :

Manual focus...wow, what a concept. ;)

oh, wait..... is that what Ansel Adams used?
Right, but again manually focusing an auto-focus lens blows. Another thing that sucks is a lot of modern manual focus lenses are really auto-focus lenses with the AF parts ripped out.

I use manual focus lenses 75-80 % of the time but they are old M42 mount pieces. Heavy Metal and smooth dampened focus.

Regards,
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said by ddevilduck See Profile :

I recently bought the D60 kit. As a first time dSLR owner price was my main deciding factor. That and I liked how the D60 felt when holding it than the Canon Xsi felt.

As far as lenses, I found myself using manual focus more than the auto focus just because I quickly learned that I wanted to control what was happening instead of letting the camera do it. With that I purchased 3 additional lenses that for really cheap that works really well but dont have AF.

As a noob to cameras one thing I am learning, you have to try the cameras out then pick the one you like.
Good for you!

Manual focus...wow, what a concept. ;)
Next thing ya know people will be using primes and zooming with their feet.

oh, wait..... is that what Ansel Adams used?
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As far as lenses, I found myself using manual focus more than the auto focus just because I quickly learned that I wanted to control what was happening instead of letting the camera do it. With that I purchased 3 additional lenses that for really cheap that works really well but dont have AF.

As a noob to cameras one thing I am learning, you have to try the cameras out then pick the one you like. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897112 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:50:03 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897022 kewlkeed : I would go with the Canon myself too. I think the big selling point for me with the Canon when I bought it was the fact that the lenses, be they 20years old etc, will not usually have any problems. I have to admit I have Canon 35mm stuff as well so that biased me a bit because I already had stock that was interchangeable.

I can't remember what model of Nikon it was that I tried, but I disliked some of the ways how it handled, but that was a couple months ago so I don't even remember what it was. I just remembered it feeling "weird/wrong" in the sense of trying to drive on the other side of the road or something. Just didn't "fit" well. But I guess that's expected from one vendor to another.

I think my selling point was compatibility with my current stock more than anything else.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20897022 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:32:06 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896966 Edit This : Canon is better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896966 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:21:52 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896376 gugarci : You can also look at D80 as they have come down in price.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896376 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:02:24 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896286 jza80 :
said by drlouis See Profile :

So the question is: which one would YOU prefer for portraits (and learning photography in general) and why?
If your considering Nikon, I would look at the D80. D40, D40x, and D60 all have limitations with AF (only AF with lenses that have motors). D80 does not have this limitation and its a step up from the D60.

As for why. Well I don't like the feel, button layout, and ergonomics of Canons.

Its a decision you'll have to make, but I suggest looking at and playing around with whichever ones your considering and go from there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20896286 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:09:17 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20895926 drlouis :
said by X Man See Profile :

The Nikon D60 can only AutoFocus lenses that have built-in motors.Nearly all new AF lenses for Nikon have motors. Still, that might very well limit the lower end or used lens options for that body. And manually focusing, auto focus lenses, sucks.
I'd noticed the difference in AF, but wasn't sure which way would be preferable. I'm also cheap (but I'd rather pay good money for good equipment than save money and get second rate gear.)
said by X Man See Profile :

I don't know, but I believe the Canon wins in every category except price. Lens Compatibility, Better high ISO performance, Better resale value, Live View! Digic III CMOS Sensor....

So, I'd say the Canon would be more satisfying and leave you with more head-room to grow into.
The Canon is lookin' pretty good right now I have to say.

Thank you for the input. definitely worth more than $0.02 to me :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20895926 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:18:33 EDT Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20895714 X Man : The Nikon D60 can only AutoFocus lenses that have built-in motors.Nearly all new AF lenses for Nikon have motors. Still, that might very well limit the lower end or used lens options for that body. And manually focusing, auto focus lenses, sucks.

I'm cheap, so such a limitation would be a deal breaker for me, but maybe not for you.

The Canon? Well, nobody ever got fired for buying Canon. :)

I don't know, but I believe the Canon wins in every category except price. Lens Compatibility, Better high ISO performance, Better resale value, Live View! Digic III CMOS Sensor....

So, I'd say the Canon would be more satisfying and leave you with more head-room to grow into.

My 2¢

Regards,
Mike
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Now I cant decide. I know - KNOW, my skill will be the limiting factor for quite a while, but I'd much rather have equipment that I can grow into rather than upgrading when I outgrow my equipment. I've read the (excellent) reviews of both cameras at dpreview.com, and am still unsure.

The main intended use will be portraits (family pictures of the wife and kids) mostly. I'd also really like to learn other aspects of photography, but I get the feeling they're both very capable cameras for "learning" on.

So the question is: which one would YOU prefer for portraits (and learning photography in general) and why? Also, lenses. is there an advantage in this department for one or the other brand?

Thanks,
Louis]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20895635 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:46:44 EDT