Topic 'Re: That $800 T1 Line' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907104 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:42:09 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:42:09 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20940467 said by nnaarrnn:

Yeah, I can provide a t-1 just about anywhere in the state (WV) for around $300.
A month? or damn equipment?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20940467 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:31:33 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20938290 said by Nightfall:

said by joeMI:

I'm in the central U.P. of Michigan and I've looked into the T1, etc. in the past. Way too expensive in our area.

With 3 year contract, AT&T charges:
$2100 per month for 1.5Mbps
$4200 per month for 3.0Mbps
$6100 per month for 4.5Mbps
$8000 per month for 6.0Mbps

And how do you suggest I share this with the neighbors when it's 1000 or more feet between houses separated by dense woods and not every house would want it?

IMO, that's just not a realistic solution for *most* rural residents. The cost of the local access is the killer.
There are people here that like to talk big when it comes to "affording a T1" and buying it. The fact of the matter is that no one wants to spend money even on a cheap T1. Even in the best case when they are about $400, no one will buy that. I know I wouldn't want to rely on my neighbors when it comes to sharing one either because you can never trust them to keep paying you every month.

The simple fact of the matter is that no one is going to buying the highest tier. At least no one with any common sense. :)
Purchasing (and reselling) a T1 is an idiotic move for any person who isnt also a licensed provider in their state. Not only can it be illegal to do so without proper permission, but you also have no real way of collecting the money each month from the other "users". The people posting "its so easy, just buy a T1" need to get a clue and have their heads examined.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20938290 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:36:58 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20936308 said by joeMI:

I'm in the central U.P. of Michigan and I've looked into the T1, etc. in the past. Way too expensive in our area.

With 3 year contract, AT&T charges:
$2100 per month for 1.5Mbps
$4200 per month for 3.0Mbps
$6100 per month for 4.5Mbps
$8000 per month for 6.0Mbps

And how do you suggest I share this with the neighbors when it's 1000 or more feet between houses separated by dense woods and not every house would want it?

IMO, that's just not a realistic solution for *most* rural residents. The cost of the local access is the killer.
There are people here that like to talk big when it comes to "affording a T1" and buying it. The fact of the matter is that no one wants to spend money even on a cheap T1. Even in the best case when they are about $400, no one will buy that. I know I wouldn't want to rely on my neighbors when it comes to sharing one either because you can never trust them to keep paying you every month.

The simple fact of the matter is that no one is going to buying the highest tier. At least no one with any common sense. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20936308 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:44:00 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20935842
With 3 year contract, AT&T charges:
$2100 per month for 1.5Mbps
$4200 per month for 3.0Mbps
$6100 per month for 4.5Mbps
$8000 per month for 6.0Mbps

And how do you suggest I share this with the neighbors when it's 1000 or more feet between houses separated by dense woods and not every house would want it?

IMO, that's just not a realistic solution for *most* rural residents. The cost of the local access is the killer.
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But you can not tell me that VZ isn't getting something out of NTelos as far as installation or something else either Ntelos or your company could be eating the install/build out cost if there is one being charged. VZ will not build out a line for free if they're going to spend their own $$$$ and not get anything out of it besides a few dollars for the loop charge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20912874 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:18:39 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20912860 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20912860 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:14:59 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20911079
VZ / Fairpoint is waaaay different. They may have a tariff that says they have to but here in Ohio is a different story with that.

Residential is not the same as commerical as far as services offered.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20911079 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:24:14 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910776
Now Frontier is capping all its residential DSL lines at 5 gigs combined up and down.
Frontier providing DSL to your area in not much of an improvement. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910776 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:22:37 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910659 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910659 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:02:51 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910657 said by keyboard5684:

Yep, a T1 line, even in my remote area, is about $480 a month. I would certainly take that T1 line over satellite.Including loop charge?
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Back then, there were no cable modems, or DSL for that matter.

But they WILL install a T-1 anywhere they have a wire. I signed a 1 year contract, and it was the best money I ever spent. Back then, The best sites were only 3-10mb/sec, and have my personal T-1 was a major coup. And the price, stayed the same, whether I used 1% or I used 100%. Eventually, when I moved, I had to give it up.

But, look at it this way, if your option is 'crappy, high latency, LIMITED BITS, satellite, vs a MUCH BETTER, but more expensive T-1, I'd take the T-1 any day. So what if a neighbor moves or cancels. I'd just get a new one. If you are willing to sign a 1-year contract, the PORT CHARGE for a T-1 is usually less than $100.00/month. The rest of the charge is just pure slush for the greedy megacorp telco.
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However there where install fees which could be eliminated with a 2 year contract.

Frame-relay for some reason does have a mileage fee. Not sure why, set tariff rates in the state of PA maybe?

You are in Ohio so it may be a completely different story, but here, no real install fee problem. This is a very rural area so they do have to install a lot of repeaters (one a mile about I think is the rate) but in many cases they are already there (the telco just adds a card).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910227 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:37:57 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910120 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910120 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:18:30 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910110
the ILEC gets the last and final say on where they will put a T1 or anything of that sort. you should know that. If they do not want to put it in a residential area or can not due to they do not have the equipment there they can and will BILL the carrier for that and then you will bill the customer. That's even if the ILEC would do it.

The chances of it being done in a residential area?!? SLIM to NONE!

Even with Frontier- i don't see them doing it especially after the cap they put out.

But on another note-- go to the ISP B2B forum and check there about getting a T1 quote. Lots of people there will compete for your business and provide you quotes within a few minutes. They won't have to "check" with their boss.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20910110 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:17:11 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20909670 said by WVBill:

Hmmm - very interesting. OK, so I live outside of Summit Point, WV. Frontier is my telephone company. The CO is in Charles Town - about 8 miles away (the way the crow flies) so I can't get them to provide DSL.
Way outside the range of any 3g broadband.

Can you run a T1 to my house? How much? Seriously.

I live in a small subdivision of 10 homes. If I could set up a WiFi hot spot off my T1 and split the cost of the T1 (Let's say $500?), we could do lots better than Hughesnet.

Is this dreaming or a real possibility?

WVBill
why don't you just give us your home address and we'll check it out?
:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20909670 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:56:39 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20909398 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20909398 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:14:34 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908674 said by karlmarx:

Do the math if you will. Look at it on the 'pay by bit' rate. A $1000.00 T-1 will get you about 450GB/month, or about $2.20/GB. A Hughsnet will get you about call it about 17GB/month for $300.00. Thats about $17.00/GB

Hell, get 4 people, and equally sharing, you still get over 100GB/month each for LESS than you would pay hughesnet for 17GB/month
I can tell you that I would certainly not sign a $1000 a month, multi year contract, just assuming that 4 other people will go in on it with me. Even if I did, who would those four people be? Do you choose friends, neighbors, or just random people? Do you make them sign a legal document that they will pay every month? What if they move, who is going to pay their $200 share? Who calls the telco if there is an issue on the line?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908674 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:17:35 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908580 said by GPSF0L :

So what you're saying is, since they have a monopoly for high-speed, they can charge those folks whatever they want and put whatever restrictions they want--- I see. Glad you do.. but do you really? Where is the "monopoly" that you speak of?

Google is your friend.. "satellite internet" - and then also look at »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly ... check it out.

void of all that.. see the other two replies above mine as well. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908580 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:58:37 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908576 huge assumption that consumers will utilize the connection 100%, the cost per GB is closer to $1/GB for a T-1 (assuming $1K/mth) versus $12.46/GB (assuming service cost of $190 and a 500 MB/day cap). Of course, these numbers aren't very relevant for a majority of people who won't, or can't, utilize their connections 100%.
said by karlmarx:

Hell, get 4 people, and equally sharing, you still get over 100GB/month each for LESS than you would pay hughesnet for 17GB/month
Surprisingly you make an interesting comment. This essentially equates to "if the ISPs won't bring service, the consumers (distinction is consumers, not government) should provide it themselves", which is great and what I have advocated several times. A single T-1 is easily capable of supporting a coop of 20 or 30 average users. Redoing the math of $1K/mth for a 30-user coop, we get each user paying $33.33/mth plus cost of infrastructure and support. Forcing an equal share mechanism, each user also can utilize up to 33 GB/mth (16 GB/mth download only), which is more than double what you'll get via HughesNet with a 500 MB/day cap.

The problem is, most people don't have the expertise or desire to take on a coop such as this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908576 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:58:17 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908559 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908559 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:55:21 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908505 said by karlmarx:

Do the math if you will. Look at it on the 'pay by bit' rate. A $1000.00 T-1 will get you about 450GB/month, or about $2.20/GB. A Hughsnet will get you about call it about 17GB/month for $300.00. Thats about $17.00/GB

Hell, get 4 people, and equally sharing, you still get over 100GB/month each for LESS than you would pay hughesnet for 17GB/month
Its a good plan...if you can find 5 people willing to eat $200 a month for internet access. Then if someone drops out, who eats his $200 cost?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908505 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:46:43 EDT Rip off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Rip-off-20908472
"If you are not completely satisfied, you may cancel your service within 30 days of activation. Installation charges are not refundable. If you are on the $0 Upfront Plan, you will incur a $400 equipment and installation fee.

If you cancel after 30 days and are on the Upfront Payment option, there is a $400 service termination fee. If you are on the $0 Upfront Plan, there is a $400 equipment and installation fee, and a $400 service termination fee. For both the Upfront Payment option and the $0 Upfront Plan, you may return your HughesNet modem and radio (transmitter) to receive a refund of $200."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Rip-off-20908472 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:42:12 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908379 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20908379 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:26:35 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907947
Hell, get 4 people, and equally sharing, you still get over 100GB/month each for LESS than you would pay hughesnet for 17GB/month
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Can you run a T1 to my house? How much? Seriously.

I live in a small subdivision of 10 homes. If I could set up a WiFi hot spot off my T1 and split the cost of the T1 (Let's say $500?), we could do lots better than Hughesnet.

Is this dreaming or a real possibility?

WVBill]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907895 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:54:48 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907807 said by cooldude9919:

said by DrModem:

Is looking more affordably equal every day.
T1's can be had for much less (~$400-$500) depending on your loop distance and if the LEC will even install in a residential address. Get a few neighbors to share and it starts to look pretty decent.
Thats an incorrect statement. T1's can be had some places for $400 to $500, but certainly not all. There are many areas of the country where the loop alone will cost you almost $1000 (or considerably more), IF you can even get a T1 at all. Realistically people buying a $300 a month satellite connection are probably not able to buy "cheap" T1s, otherwise many would.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907807 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:40:40 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907804 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907804 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:40:25 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907700
Feel free to build and launch your own satellite and offer whatever you want for $19.99/month. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907700 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:25:29 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907686 said by GPSF0L :

they can charge those folks whatever they want and put whatever restrictions they want--- I see.If the limitation of the service capability demands it, yes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907686 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:22:10 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907632 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907632 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:14:56 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907609
If you are even considering this high tier package, probably because you are rural, consider a T1. The price is more but advantages are far more. Plus, the speeds will actually seem far better than what you get from satellite. Yes, they say 3 megs (5 megs, sorry) but in reality I doubt you will really appreciate it. The "Feeling" on a T1 line while surfing and then sitting on a satellite connection (even VSAT systems) are completely noticeable.

That is another thing. The heading seems to make everyone think there is just HughesNet or WildBlue for satellite broadband, that is not true. If you want to, you can install a VSAT system, use the BGAN network, there area a lot of options usually only used by businesses or people that really travel to places like the jungle, but it is an option which is forgotten. They do not advertise much because
A. They do not need to, they have plenty of customers.
B. Those systems do not want to overload anything like the residential services do.

But still, in most areas (at least here) it makes no difference where you live, a T1 HAS to be run if you order it, and the ILEC HAS to deliver it, part of the negatives to being an ILEC (the ILEC runs the local loop but order from the carrier like ATT or Sprint, or whatever, but the ILEC has to put in that loop) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907609 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:10:08 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907582 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907582 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:06:01 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907544 said by cooldude9919:

said by DrModem:

Is looking more affordably equal every day.
T1's can be had for much less (~$400-$500) depending on your loop distance and if the LEC will even install in a residential address. Get a few neighbors to share and it starts to look pretty decent.
If Hughesnet is your option for broadband, odds are you aren't going to get a T1 for $400-$500 a month. People that far out in the sticks are going to get rates around $800 if not more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907544 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:58:59 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907539 said by DrModem:

Is looking more affordably equal every day.
If HughesNet is your only option for broadband, the T1 line for $800 is a viable option if you have the extra $500-$600 per month. Not many have that just laying around.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907539 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:57:39 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907440 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907440 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:39:30 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907425 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907425 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:37:10 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907417 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907417 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:36:17 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907291
Also, a lot of you are saying "no thanks". But do realize, that this is only the next best thing to dialup--which is still a lot of folks' only other alternative.
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Is looking more affordably equal every day.
T1's can be had for much less (~$400-$500) depending on your loop distance and if the LEC will even install in a residential address. Get a few neighbors to share and it starts to look pretty decent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907289 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:16:29 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907237 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907237 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:08:27 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907214
And with that $300 a month you get caps, 1200ms latency, horrible tech support and horrible speeds during peak hours.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907214 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:05:13 EDT Re: That $800 T1 Line http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-800-T1-Line-20907127 --
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