Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20913894 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:03:19 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:03:19 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21162609 drjp81 : This is me: stunned and amazed.
:D
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said by drjp81 See Profile :

I think Dogbert works for bell...
Scott Adams did indeed work for SW Bell...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160508 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:35:48 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159904 drjp81 : I think Dogbert works for bell...
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Fucking you harder]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20987895 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:22:25 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20984884 lowlevel : Someone should make some vinyl stickers, that just say 'SUCK' to put in front of the 'er'. Maybe people would wake up then ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20984884 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:53:07 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20958753 koolgiy : To be honest, thats the shit that I'm actually going through right now. They lied BIG time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20958753 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:32:41 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957799 Omr : Funny how GM is now hedhing it's bets and going for a hail mary with the Chevy Volt ... seems cheap enough will they keep from going bankrupt before this gets officially debuted on 2010?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957799 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:09:32 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957274 Walter Dnes : > On the surface, this appears to be valid. However, look at
> where GM is today. By allowing bloat to continue, and having
> separate brands and no clear vision, GM is going down and
> going down fast.

With the possible exception of AMC before the the mid 1960's, Detroit was NEVER serious about small, fuel-efficient economy cars. GM originally introduced the Chevelle Malibu and Chevy Nova as "import fighters". This was to fend off the original Volkswagen Beetle, that was teaking sales away from their Chevrolet's flagship Impala model. By 1973, the 1973 Malibu was just as long as and 500 pounds heavier than the 1963 Impala. You don't even want to ask about the 1973 Impala.

When the 1973 Arab oil embargo hit...
* GM have bulked up it's Chevelle (and equivalants) to the size+weight of earlier "full size cars".
* Ford had dropped the Falcon.
* AMC had dropped the "Rambler American".
* Chrysler had bulked up the valiant to the point where it was no longer a small economy car.

If The small Chevelle and Valiant had been around in 1973, not to mention the Falcon, and Rambler American, Detroit would not have been in trouble.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957274 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:09:29 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954480 mlerner :
said by Omr See Profile :

Yeah I noticed the Cell Phone Carriers release worse plans every year following and grandfather the good plans. I've been with Fido for a while so I remember City Fido :( should of signed up, I remember the cheaper Unlimited Incoming options, I remember the Fido-Fido option having more daytime minutes.

The only competition I see is the gradual race to offer the least for the most. Also the trend seems to be tarnishing your in house brand, but retaining you with there other brand. Rogers overall generally in my opinion sucks, but surprisingly with Fido it's a bit better. Bells plans suck compared to Virgin and Solo, Telus' plans are horrible compared to Koodo.

When I was in the iWant iPhone phase I called up Fido and they wanted me to pay $110 "Network Administration" just so I can pay another $249 to re-sign a 3Year contract, wtf do I look stupid no way in hell am I paying $110 to thin air not even getting anything back for that. (Mind you I had a little over 14 months left before my 3Year contract was up). Anyways a knew a guy at Rogers retail management and he simply says to me don't listen to that jibberish because a little unknown fact is that you can stop terminate Fido if you had been with Fido for more than a Year and sign-up for Rogers and the ECF fee of $400 will be credited back to you so long as you remain for a Month over at Rogers (this works the other way around as well). Then I hesitated as ol'Red was a bastard, there plans are alright but contain too much caveats for me to like. So while I was pondering the move for 2 days I hear you can now do a phone upgrade with your Carrier (both Fido and Rogers) so long as you've been with them for 3months. I figured this might be a cheaper way of getting the iPhone and just paying for the phone not the fancy named fees. A day later and there is speculation massing up about a 3g defect in the iPhone, moral of the story is iPhone sucks ass.
After having been with both Fido and Rogers, I much prefer Rogers hands down. I've had no issues at all. Of course if you're on a City Fido plan or something similar then you should stay.

There seems to be some issues with the 3G on the iPhone but unless you are far from the towers or the signal is weak you should have no problems and I'm speaking from experience.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954480 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:16:37 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954467 Omr : Yeah I noticed the Cell Phone Carriers release worse plans every year following and grandfather the good plans. I've been with Fido for a while so I remember City Fido :( should of signed up, I remember the cheaper Unlimited Incoming options, I remember the Fido-Fido option having more daytime minutes.

The only competition I see is the gradual race to offer the least for the most. Also the trend seems to be tarnishing your in house brand, but retaining you with there other brand. Rogers overall generally in my opinion sucks, but surprisingly with Fido it's a bit better. Bells plans suck compared to Virgin and Solo, Telus' plans are horrible compared to Koodo.

When I was in the iWant iPhone phase I called up Fido and they wanted me to pay $110 "Network Administration" just so I can pay another $249 to re-sign a 3Year contract, wtf do I look stupid no way in hell am I paying $110 to thin air not even getting anything back for that. (Mind you I had a little over 14 months left before my 3Year contract was up). Anyways a knew a guy at Rogers retail management and he simply says to me don't listen to that jibberish because a little unknown fact is that you can stop terminate Fido if you had been with Fido for more than a Year and sign-up for Rogers and the ECF fee of $400 will be credited back to you so long as you remain for a Month over at Rogers (this works the other way around as well). Then I hesitated as ol'Red was a bastard, there plans are alright but contain too much caveats for me to like. So while I was pondering the move for 2 days I hear you can now do a phone upgrade with your Carrier (both Fido and Rogers) so long as you've been with them for 3months. I figured this might be a cheaper way of getting the iPhone and just paying for the phone not the fancy named fees. A day later and there is speculation massing up about a 3g defect in the iPhone, moral of the story is iPhone sucks ass.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954467 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:12:53 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954455 Last Parade :
said by bryanviper See Profile :

ooooo so those stupid ads I see in the subway everyday are from bell....I should of known.

Somebody should go around putting teksavvy stickers over bells dumb ads =)
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954455 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:09:48 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954317 mr_hexen : lol
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954317 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:16:33 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954287 drjp81 : Fricken brilliant!
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»bill of 289.34 is wrong- lawsuit against bell?

I am looking into a legal avenue as all else has failed, including my health.

misrepresentation - look up what it means in regards to civil actions

About describes the every day experience of bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20946971 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:13:49 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945906 tertech :
said by anon149 :

And when a company realises that its artificial restrictions may start to cost it customers, the come up with the idea of contracts that reduce the churn. And once contracts are in, they can screw customers all they want and customers can't leave.
Companies direct their marketing at getting new customers, not retaining existing ones. A contract ensures they can completely ignore that customer for the term. They are also counting on customer apathy. Many people can't be bothered to look for a new ISP, bank, insurance company, etc; they just keep renewing their existing ones. When they finally come to the realization that they have been ripped off and decide not to renew their contract at the end of the term - that's when all the special offers to renew suddenly appear.

As long as customers accept this business model, it will be the way that business is conducted. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945906 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:39:21 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945674 anon : >That would be like GM dropping Chevrolet, Pontiac, and
>Buick, and making Cadillac more competitive. From a purely
>dollars and cents POV, it would be stupid. If SOME
>customers are willing to pay extra, the company would be
>stupid not to take their money

On the surface, this appears to be valid. However, look at where GM is today. By allowing bloat to continue, and having separate brands and no clear vision, GM is going down and going down fast.

I'll give you a very good example of a company that also marked up its prices because of its name: Digital Equipment Corporation. It refused to lower its prices to compete against windows because it claimed it was not in the same market and wanted to preserve the quality image of its brand etc etc etc. Digital went down. Big time. It was the 2nd largest computer company in the world before.

The legacy companies such as Bell who think that can price their services at a premium because their marketing department tells them that their brand is strong enough to get people to willingly pay more for "quality" will go down just like Digital. It is but a matter of time. As soon as people discover there are alternatives without stupid contracts or hidden fees or service restrictions, they switch and never come back.

You can argue "But Bell has Solo and Virgin". But that doesn't change the fact that if a Mobility customer switches to Solo or Mobile, it is because the Bell brand has been hurt and that customer doesn't want to buy other bell services.

A competitive company offers different tiers of service under the same brand. It simplifies advertising, branding, distribution and hence reduces overall costs and strenghtens the brand.

The problem with Bell is that it cripples certain services in order to preserve older legacy offerings that are prices at much higher levels.

So if you want a fixed IP with Bell, you need to pay megabucks because Bell doesn't want corporations to swicth from Bell's extremely expensive services to some low cost offering. Same mentality as Digital, trying to protect a non-growing market by sabotaging the growing market.

And when a company realises that its artificial restrictions may start to cost it customers, the come up with the idea of contracts that reduce the churn. And once contracts are in, they can screw customers all they want and customers can't leave.

Bell Mobility could offer high value services and low cost services under the same brand if it wanted. Same network, same quality of reception/coverage. No point in creating separate entities.

Ask yourself what happens to Bell's "premium" pricing abilities when its brand gets stained ? Their whole business model falls down because Bell is now riding on its former image and is screing customers instead of trying to be competitive and improving services.

The interesting aspect is that perhaps thise whole "white label internet reseller" speeches by Bibic is what Bell wants to do in the future: Get the independants to be Bell's low cost brands. And Bell would fully control the service offering and pricing (for instance, control how much extra gigs above 60gigs would be billed at).

Companies should strive to imporve their services and be competitive. They couldn't strive to screw their customers as much as they can get awat with. Rogers has been like that for some time, and now Bell is joining the ranks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945674 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:56:32 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944311 d3ath : nice how bell now wants former bell customers back. LOL
Look at their site telling why you should choose bell. One that caught my mind was

"Super fast access speeds²
We have one of the largest fibre optic networks in Canada, and we continue to bring this leading-edge technology to even more homes, improving your Internet experience."

Bell makes me laugh! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944311 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:55:37 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943318 nanook : Jack Nicholson explains why we are not worthy of Bell's rebranding, logo and new ads.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943318 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:54:14 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20942505 cpsycho : under the internet page: »assistance.sympatico.ca/?languag···egion=ON

You no longer see the sympatico logo. Might be more leverage against sympatico for anti trust.

Also they have a pic of a vaio. Is bell getting in bed with sony BMG?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20942505 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:13:05 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20941254 chronoss2008 : we'd see a coke advert under it, Microsoft above and on both sides you'd see a bell beaver]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20941254 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:15:05 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20941238 fatness :
said by ShadPTR See Profile :

I wonder how much money the marketing genius made with this campaign. :uhh:
If Advertising People Created the Stop Sign
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ya
your right funny some place called that someone entered me into some contest for one and i won , hting is they want a credit card and 140$ ROFL SCAAAAAMMMMM

ya
me feeling a bit better and i actually am laughing at the whole thing , i have caught them doing so much bad stuff its incredible more people dont and havent taped them doing more crap, they even once sent me to there secret credit agency ( who told me to tell bell never to do that again) and the guy gave me a free credit check ....100% healthy ....
MY lil war restarts again tomorrow when the boxes for the pvrs have yet to arrive and some odd kinda bill arrived saying i owe 60$
with all the credits for the BS of july OVER 430+ $
they owe me 13$ for july and as i had no phone for 25 days of that month i just miss the billing cycle there so no phone charge , and ONLY 22$ from expressVu ( canceled )
as this account should have been canceled any moron trying to ealry termination fee me , i have told htem , any more BS im just going to pass it to legal service and let em handle it, my health cannot be allowed to fail cause a bunch a nit wits didnt go take a business course like i did.
( hint: business administration , with major in information systems might help )
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P.S. I wonder how much i have cost bell in support issues since last november......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20941219 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:08:59 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20941160 ShadPTR : I wonder how much money the marketing genius made with this campaign. :uhh:

Like many have stated, the company is busted from the inside out.

sidenote: Chronoss2008, poor guy, you need a vacation. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20941160 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:00:15 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20941096 chronoss2008 : oh ya ill add this after "knowingly or unknowingly" shutting off my phone service due to fraud the jerks actually asked me if i wanted internet with them.....OMG IT IS FUNNY.

MY RESPONSE:::::
"NOW, look at the monitor see how many times since last November i have called you, realize its all about the internet, and you want to sign me up to net , no thanks ever."
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to the guy above
no instead they will just auto charge any credit card they can whether it has authorization or not. Getting caught gets the response "well we knowingly or unknowingly made a mistake", ROFL LOL HAHAH OH YA definitely a mistake.

1st bill you for termination when they aren't entitled to it then credit me back all that and then go after a expired credit card that was replaced on said account that was later renewed ( not before another card had to be used to keep account active)

They dont like those money mart credit cards as you can put the amount you know you owe and if bell tries that over charge BS it wont happen.......

THANK YOU MASTERCARD FOR A GREAT IDEA, never get ripped off by lamer ISPS or other shite, put cash on card spend online its done no hastles......
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FIRE EVERYONE IN INDIA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20941096 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:45:08 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20934303 agaver : lol...
I saw the ad the other day...
They really suck!
I'm wondering if they will call u 2 months later after your cancellation to ask u " please don't cancel with us "
Too funny people! Too funny!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20934303 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:31:05 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931770 DJ R : this thread is hilarious.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931770 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:46:39 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931582 Walter Dnes :
said by anon149 :

It is really stupid of large corporations to develop subbrands to offer affordable services and keep the main brand to milk the idiots willing to pay more and willing to sign contracts. (Rogers->Fido, Telus->Koodo, Bell->Solo and Virgin).

Why not make the main brand competitive ?
That would be like GM dropping Chevrolet, Pontiac, and Buick, and making Cadillac more competitive. From a purely dollars and cents POV, it would be stupid. If SOME customers are willing to pay extra, the company would be stupid not to take their money. And setting up an "economy brand" gives them "the best of both worlds". I.e. high profit margin on suck^H^H^H^H customers who use the expensive service, and a little bit of profit on the "economy brand" customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931582 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:26:29 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931549 Candoo3 :
said by anon149 :

So, this George Cope guy comes in, and changes the logo, changes the ads, changes the product names, but we are still throttled, still intends to impose 60 gig limits etc etc.

If this Cope guy is to make only cosmetic changes to Bell, Bell will continue to go down.
With their antics of the past few years, they probably believe the new marketing twist will make ppl think that it's a totally new Bell. Lots of folks have heard the hype of the OTPF buyout, and will have the frame of mind that major positive changes are about to take place. The new cosmetic changes will probably sucker enough new customers in. I doubt that it will do much in the way of damage control, for customers that already have a bad taste in their mouth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931549 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:16:13 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931390 inferno_gn : Hi there,

I'll sure miss "Sh*tpatico", but at least I can call them now Sh*tter... *lol*

inferno_gn
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I remember a similar move.

The first thing the last CEO of Digital Equipment Corp. did was to change the Digital logo, and zap the common "DEC" name, forcing every employee to use "Digital" instead.

The logo change was amazing. They changed it to a different hue of red, and more importantly, they changed the dot on the i from a square dot to a round dot to indicate the new Digital would be more flexible and less rigid. Woopty Doo !

Afterwards, Palmer proceeded to destroy Digital to scale it down so it could be sold to someone (Compaq bought it). Palmer never fixed Digital, in fact it sabotaged it, killing DEC's profitable products as sacrificial offerings to Bill Gates so that DEC could sell Windows.

So, this George Cope guy comes in, and changes the logo, changes the ads, changes the product names, but we are still throttled, still intends to impose 60 gig limits etc etc.

If Bell really wanted to fix things, it would start by folding its "Solo" mobile brand into Mobility (or whatever the new name will be) and not impose stupid limits/fees on the core mobility product offering (contracts, system access fees etc).

It is really stupid of large corporations to develop subbrands to offer affordable services and keep the main brand to milk the idiots willing to pay more and willing to sign contracts. (Rogers->Fido, Telus->Koodo, Bell->Solo and Virgin).

Why not make the main brand competitive ?

If this Cope guy is to make only cosmetic changes to Bell, Bell will continue to go down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20930961 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:58:22 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20930875 d3ath : i'm kinda confuse what bell said on their website, idk if it is true, but what i think its total bs what bell said...
»bellmove.ca/en/on/backtobell

Every Minute of every hour of every business day, another person comes back to bell home phone service.
That is total BS ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20930875 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:38:20 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20926696 tranceduden : I dunno, Bell obviously paid some fancy agency millions for the new ad campaign, but the ER shit really baffles me, and I am in the entertainment/ad business . ER ?? WTF

:hmm:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20926696 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:03:06 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20926174 chronoss2008 : WELL audio tape your phone calls , i had the above happen to me and i fought to get things righted, and I WIN.
(in st ten days of november 07 - dropped a 160gb
went back to net dled 84GB of lost data.
Then bell changed account to a 7 megabit 60 GB capped account and refused as i said to HONER the CONTRACT.
This is also a classic case of 'misrepresentation'
which is a class actionable in ontario.

And i will be doing an interview with a law student at cippic the clinic that Michael Geist runs.

Also the last thing bell did to me got them a CRTC complaint that was rectified with days of the complaint.

Do not think that because bell rights (we can screw you in this contract in so many ways) that in fact said contract would be even valid in a court of law. If it were found to be too lop sided it could be invalidated.

Note this example:
you cancel your bell phone: they charge you 4 deactivation style fees totalling almost 200$.
If they cancel it..."we are not honoring your contract period"
They get no such charges.
That is a perfect example of unfairness in a contract.
If bell or other ISPS had to also pay the users for dishonoring contracts they'd be a ton lot more nice, and it would make it harder for them to break a contract, so they would only offer what they can.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20926174 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:40:54 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20922062 yabos : Don't they do this every year or so anyways? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20922062 Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:35:38 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20922056 a1_Andy : I want bells new slogan to be the same as the original one "owend by the people for the poeple".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20922056 Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:34:52 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20918278 anon : Ex-Bell employee here, left quite a few years ago...
I was a coach, had a trainee under me that was placing sales on every call, had to fire him...
I approached my manager at the time to ask how to go about it, the "Q" was a little busy, so the manager decided to leave him on the phone and told me to track his calls... he took a total of over 25 calls in a few hours, all of them with sales placed on the client's account...
How's that for bad, the guy ended up being fired at the end of the day but bell management decided to leave him on the phones until the "service level" went down...
meantime 25 client's got screwed with "added services"...
There's plenty of fraud there... he was doing it for about 2 weeks every day before he got caught...at average of 100 calls or more per day, do the math...

I got many many more stories... ! hehe!

But what the guy wrote is 100% truth...at the time I was there, every employee had an express incentive card... they would have cash bonuses put in for sales made every month... many employees I recall having average of 150$ deposited every month... Out of that, depending on the bonus (2$-10$ depending on the sale) it can translate to 25 clients average of sales or more... how many of those getting screwed?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20918278 Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:10:26 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20917979 nomo bell : From P2PNET.NET:
"The whole thing is run like a joke. There is no acocuntability. A rep could upgrade you to the highest tier without even talking to you in order to get his commsion, and you would NOT be able to get out of the charges.
If the rep put in notes how its meant to look, your paying up."

Wow! There have been some posts in the forums with complaints similar to what this former employee is saying. To hear it from a former employee adds weight to those complaints. Can you say F R A U D!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20917979 Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:49:10 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20917181 anon : Blunder]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20917181 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:46:22 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916861 Kareeser :
said by nanook See Profile :

LG's slogan in French is "LG est merveilleux." The word "belle" in French means beautiful, while "merveilleux" means wonderful.
Wouldn't "merveilleux" translate into "marvelous"? Or does translation in french not work that way, just to screw with us anglophones? :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916861 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:41:27 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916743 bryanviper : ooooo so those stupid ads I see in the subway everyday are from bell....I should of known.

Somebody should go around putting teksavvy stickers over bells dumb ads =)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916743 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:14:52 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916331 invictive : LG's slogan in french is actually: Vive la vie! It's not a direct translation (live life)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916331 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:50:59 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916322 nanook :
said by j3richo See Profile :

I'm confused with this "er" crap, what the hell is it supposed to mean?
[Insert your second least favourite ISP] is hell. Bell is heller.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916322 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:49:28 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916274 The Flash :
said by j3richo See Profile :

I'm confused with this "er" crap, what the hell is it supposed to mean?
errr, ask bell ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916274 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:37:31 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916171 j3richo : I'm confused with this "er" crap, what the hell is it supposed to mean?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20916171 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:14:05 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915964 The Flash :
said by p2pnet See Profile :

@ The Flash.

Excellent ;)

»www.p2pnet.net/story/16648

Cheers!
Jon
I'm famous yay]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915964 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:18:24 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915935 p2pnet : @ The Flash.

Excellent ;)

»www.p2pnet.net/story/16648

Cheers!
Jon]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915935 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:12:35 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915876 drjp81 : Une Bell gagne de crosseurs
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Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915876 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:01:33 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915485 nanook : If we had truth in advertising Bell's slogan would be "la cupidité est Bell."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915485 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:48:36 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915455 mr_hexen : you think the slogan is short for "Emergency Room" because wholesalers are killing them? :D

Bell: Crappier than the other

Bell: ERRRRR we suck.

lol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915455 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:43:27 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915360 shepd :
said by nanook See Profile :

It just occurred to me that it could also be a reference to "la Bell(e) province."
Quebec's always getting the short end of the stick. Confederation, then a takeover by Bell? Maybe it's time they make good on what it says on their license plates. :-D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915360 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:27:41 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915243 mazhurg :
said by nanook See Profile :

Also beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Evidently OTPP sees something beautiful in Bell. After all they have placed a $35B bet on that beaverpig.
Don't you believe it. OTPP wanted the beaver Bell for the pelt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915243 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:07:55 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915214 nanook :
said by shepd See Profile :

"La vie est Bell"...
It just occurred to me that it could also be a reference to "la Bell(e) province."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915214 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:03:36 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915130 nanook :
said by shepd See Profile :

"La vie est Bell"

I don't speak French very well, but I think LG might have something to say about this...
LG's slogan in French is "LG est merveilleux." The word "belle" in French means beautiful, while "merveilleux" means wonderful. There is a difference. You can put lipstick on a pigbeaver to make it look beautiful but you cannot make it wonderful ;)

Also beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Evidently OTPP sees something beautiful in Bell. After all they have placed a $35B bet on that beaverpig.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915130 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:50:33 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915126 drjp81 : LG's slogan would be translated "La vie est bonne."
La vie est Bell(e) in english equates to= Life is beautiful.
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Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20915126 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:49:04 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914991 jerseyjoe123 : "ER"..... LOL

I can hear it now:

Customer: "Why am I getting billed for bandwidth overages? I purchased the unlimited package!"

Bell: ER.... No, you didn't. We don't offer it."

Customer: "But the Bell sales person said that you offer it when I signed the %@*# contract!

Bell: ER.... No, we don't."

Customer: "Then I want to cancel my service!!"

Bell: ER.... No, you can't. Read the fine print of your contract."

Customer: "EERRRR!!!!" ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914991 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:27:41 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914917 shepd : "La vie est Bell"

I don't speak French very well, but I think LG might have something to say about this...

»ca.lge.com/en/about/corporate/ht···ogan.jsp

Perhaps someone could remind me if it really is a play on words to make "Life is good".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914917 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:17:29 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914825 The Flash :
said by HiVolt See Profile :

bigbrother

:D
lol

here are the ER ads that they advertised

haha...another forum I visit, someone suggested to complete the "er" word by adding some letters in front it.

that would be some ad :D
Click for full size
 
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:D
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,,!,,('-'),,!,,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914721 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:41:47 EDT Re: Heres a few... ok 20. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914575 lowlevel : reamER
abusER
berserkER
betrayER
bloodsuckER
bludgeonER
deceivER
deflowerER
nutcrackER
deprivER
desolatER
extortionER
fleecER
garnishER
hangovER
moneygrubbER
muggER
nutcrackER
racketeER
knobgobblER]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914575 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:18:57 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914493 drjp81 : god wrangling stick pole gazin monger
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Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914493 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:02:41 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914481 anon : wanna be teksavvyer]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914481 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:00:48 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914425 neuromancer1 : scammer]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914425 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:50:49 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914380 anon : Moth**f**ker]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914380 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:42:00 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914355 Gokuu : Crappier

Lamer

Outsourcer

Backstabber

said by The Flash See Profile :

Let's play a game. Describe Bell using words ending with "er".

(That's what all those er Ads are all about, if you've seen them recently)

Throttler
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914355 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:37:06 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914349 anon : It can't be Cheaper?! that wont be in the list!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914349 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:36:42 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914332 chronoss2008 : (censored)er

LOL you guess]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914332 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:34:50 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914230 The Flash : Let's play a game. Describe Bell using words ending with "er".

(That's what all those er Ads are all about, if you've seen them recently)

Throttler]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20914230 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:18:00 EDT Re: Cough.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20913926 TSI Gabe :
said by Gokuu See Profile :

"La vie est Teksavvy"

It rhymes too! ;)
lol it does.
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TSI Gabe - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20913926 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:27:18 EDT Cough.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20913915 Gokuu : "La vie est Teksavvy"

It rhymes too! ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20913915 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:25:20 EDT Re: Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20913900 R0CKY : P2Pnet picked up another interesting article...

»www.p2pnet.net/story/16643
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20913900 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:23:09 EDT Bell believes that re-branding will save the day... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20913894 Gokuu : I had to laugh when I saw the following in the Globe this morning:

We all know that Bell has NO idea what "customer- focused" really means.

»www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet···ing/home


With Frank and Gordon dispatched back to the wilderness last week, BCE Inc. is launching a new marketing campaign Friday to replace the animated beavers.

With the tag lines “La vie est Bell” in Quebec and “Today just got better” in the rest of the country, Canada's largest phone company hopes to reposition itself against formidable competitors in the wireless, TV, Internet and land line communications market.

“The new Bell brand underlines that we are moving forward as a company and as a service provider, with new services, a new strategy and a new goal,” George Cope, president and chief executive officer of BCE and Bell Canada, said in a news release. “It's a straightforward and customer-focused brand that directly supports the Bell team's goal: To be recognized by customers as Canada's leading communications company.”
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