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Re: Can you hear me now? said by fiberguy:said by cowboyro:The last thing I want during a 5-7 hrs flight is listening to people talking on the phone while I'm trying to take a nap. Most certainly, because god knows your nap takes presidence over someone else s desire on how to use the space they paid for.. and who knows, maybe paid twice as much as you. and what about the fact that i paid... who knows maybe twice what they did for my space. god knows their call takes presidence over my nap. it sounds like you might be one of the @$$holes that most of us are concerned about!!
Personally, I HATE people sleeping next to me because they, or their drool or snoring, or bad breath (or unfinished drink of their tray) winds up on me. If someone wants to sleep, either buy a 1st class ticket, or rent a hotel. no... if you want to talk so bad on your phone...rent a car!! | | |
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said by fiberguy:said by cowboyro:Fortunately enough cellphones don't work at cruising altitude  Your final nail for the coffin. Cell phone use on board would be handled by on-board repeaters. OMG, we agree in all but one thing. Even without repeaters, cell phones do work at 30,000 feet. However they do have a tendency to switch towers rather easily. 
There have been a couple of shuttle missions with HAM radio operators on board with nothing more than 5 watts on a handheld radio communicating to ground stations on simple setups.
As I landed in both ATL and SRQ this week, the captain let people use their phones as soon as we left the main runway and taxied to the gate. As soon as that happened, you would think people hadn't used their phone in days. Long conversations with people there were going to see in minutes. I had a friend call me when his plane arrived late as soon as the jet was off the runway and told me he just got in and I had to cut him off. However he spent 90 minutes because he had to go through customs. | |
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All you're really saying is that you think your "rights" are more important than someone else's "rights" (and while I don't remember the Right to Nap being in the Bill of Rights, I do remember there being something about Freedom of Speech). If you want to nap, then you'd be better off getting something from Audible Books--the constant drone (but in a good way) of certain speakers should put you right to sleep.
I'm all for silencing obnoxiously loud people, but to simply say "No Talking" (in public, in a seat that someone paid just as much for as you did [probably]) is, at the very least, presumptuous. | |
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Etiquette: what someone else believes to be proper behavior
I have no doubt that you're cocksure that you have a right to go through life never being annoyed by the idiots around you. If someone is being--in your opinion--obnoxious or discourteous, then you could inform him/her of that yourself (as a first attempt). Or do you consider it rude to talk to people you don't know? Many talkers don't aim to be annoyingly loud; they just aren't aware. Just ask them to be a little quieter, and if that doesn't work, then call the attendant. But don't go around telling people that they don't have a right to talk in public--it's not likely to get you very far. | |
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| said by meh37 :
Etiquette: what someone else believes to be proper behavior
I have no doubt that you're cocksure that you have a right to go through life never being annoyed by the idiots around you. If someone is being--in your opinion--obnoxious or discourteous, then you could inform him/her of that yourself (as a first attempt). Or do you consider it rude to talk to people you don't know? Many talkers don't aim to be annoyingly loud; they just aren't aware. Just ask them to be a little quieter, and if that doesn't work, then call the attendant. But don't go around telling people that they don't have a right to talk in public--it's not likely to get you very far.
who said that people shouldn't have a right to talk? No one is asking for a silence policy on planes. Babys can still whine. Teenagers can still giggle and "OHMIGAWD", and you can still talk to yourself if you want. Most of us who actually pay for our own tickets and fly frequently, however, don't see why anyone has a need to talk on a cell phone during the flight, nor why we should be forced to listen to that for hours on a flight we certainly can't get off of.
I'm all for special sections for people who want to carry on their obnoxious "can't wait til i land" phone conversation on the plane. Call it the business+ section, put it in the back of the plane (it's best on 727s and MD-80s!), and go talk til your heart's content - next to everyone else who's shouting over the loudness of the engines.
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Holy crap... I think that makes two now this month. If we keep this up, the end is near. lol | |
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said by digitalfreak:Poor baby. I find the business traveler to be worse than anyone else. They are usually grossly overweight and have nasty body odor. They're also constantly pecking away on their laptop keyboard or shuffling through mounds of paper that end up all over the place when they drop it. Let's see, I'm not over weight, I don't use my laptop, I don't shuffle paperwork, I don't stink, and I do pay stay out of coach.
You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. I can assure you this, business travelers don't hold up security check points ANYWHERE NEAR the occasional traveler. You'll also find that the industry caters TO those smelly, laptop using, paperwork shuffling, fat travelers. What does that tell you...?
Being that I've traveled enough this year alone for a few free round trip tickets, I can tell you that I don't see those fat people you speak of doing what you say on their computers. But, let's remove those alleged people and see what happens to that ticket you buy to go home to grammy's place on turkey day. | |
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kudos:3 | reply to big jake
where does your sleeping trump their desire to talk? If it's a red-eye flight, that's one thing, but I'm sorry, I just don't see where you sleeping on the plane is more important than someone else.
I don't know what everyone is all bent out of shape about. Personally, I think the majority of people here condemning this activity are largely VERY in-frequent fliers. For the most part, when you're on a plane, the hum of the engines and the other white noise largely cancels out voice. Just about every flight I am on, in seat conversation or not, the flights are typically very quiet and I don't hear others talking. | |
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| said by fiberguy:where does your sleeping trump their desire to talk? If it's a red-eye flight, that's one thing, but I'm sorry, I just don't see where you sleeping on the plane is more important than someone else. Because sleeping on the plane doesn't interfere with anyone else. If it does, push the bastard back into their seat, and that's it. They probably won't even notice.
I don't know what everyone is all bent out of shape about. Personally, I think the majority of people here condemning this activity are largely VERY in-frequent fliers. For the most part, when you're on a plane, the hum of the engines and the other white noise largely cancels out voice. Just about every flight I am on, in seat conversation or not, the flights are typically very quiet and I don't hear others talking. That's because when you're talking to someone next to you, you don't have to speak very loudly. Thus the white noise is sufficient. Cell phones simply aren't as clear as talking to the person next to you, so people speak louder and slower (and more annoyingly) to be clear. Hell, I was in denver last month at the airport trying to catch some sleep in the quiet terminal waiting for a flight, and some chick gets a call on her cell phone and then practically shouts her entire conversation clearly enough that I, 6 rows away could clearly keep up with her half of the conversation without trying, and so much that as I looked around me at other waiting passengers, we made eye contact and rolled our eyes at the selfish nuisance.
You see, there were parents with babies, groups of teenagers, adults reading books, a few of us trying to catch some sleep (that's, you know, what VERY FREQUENT fliers have to do sometimes); and of all of those people the only one that was annoying was the self-centered 25 year old girl on her cell phone. And her important, can't wait conversation? Why was Tracy not talking to Ashley anymore.
Those are the types of people who obviously don't care enough to speak at a reasonable volume in a very quiet United terminal, and who would very likely not be any better on a crowded plane where no one can get away from their pointless jabbering.
Me sleeping doesn't interfere with you reading, listening to music, watching the videos, or any of the other random (quiet) things you can do on a plane to keep yourself entertained. You shouting on the phone interferes with ALL OF THE ABOVE for me, and my fellow passengers immediately in front, behind and next to you.
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"who said that people shouldn't have a right to talk?"
Well, for starters, several people in this thread alone: no talking while they're trying to nap... in public. | |
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Apparently YOUR sleeping on the plane is interfering with someone else right to have a conversation because you want quiet...
You can continue to go on and attempt to justify how you somehow have these rights - BUT YOU DON'T! You're trying to regulate the person next to you, and not yourself. Your reasoning about "sleeping doesn't interfere with the person next to you".. YES! IT DOES! Any activity in 22" of space will interfere with the person next to you. Guess how much sleep someone in the isle and middle seat gets when the guy at the widow has to use the lavatory?
You some how have this notion that when you're in an airport or on a plane that they are hotels and you must sleep. Maybe, before you fly, you should - um, SLEEP! The whole world doesn't need to shut up so you can nap.. get that through your head already and knock off the petty rants.
I suppose you haven't been on a plane with babies have you? I suppose they shouldn't fly either by your rules.. their ear popping crying will probably disturb your precious nap.
No matter how YOU try to justify your views, airports are hotels and aren't for people to sleep in.. sorry. No matter how you try to justify it, YOU don't have the right to determine what is and isn't a valid phone conversation.. you somehow think you have that right. Roll your eyes all you want.. you look like the idiot, not the person on the call. (And yea.. if the person is obnoxiously loud, it's a little rude, but in a public place, she can do it. It's not a library, it's a terminal)
The next argument you make is containing the word "reasonable".. I am assuming, rightfully so, that no level of volume someone speaks at, you give a VERY good impression that someone shouldn't use their phone at all around you.. I don't find YOU reasonable at-all, so you trying to argue what reasonable is lost.
Again, if you don't like to fly with "dealing" with other people - then stay on the ground. I will say this.. listening to the news today talking about air line prices, I agree with analysis's.. air travel needs to go back to a premium luxury to a point ... the prices need to go back up. Airlines are for profit companies. Airline travel is not a right. I hope the price rises more - it will only weed out self-centered, overly intolerant, under-rested people like you. The world doesn't revolve around you, OR your naps. I suggest a white noise machine at night so you won't be so prone to fall asleep every day.. or get checked for sleep apnea or something. | |
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| said by fiberguy:Apparently YOUR sleeping on the plane is interfering with someone else right to have a conversation because you want quiet... Your thought process is absolutely amazing. I'm really not going to even respond to it.
You can continue to go on and attempt to justify how you somehow have these rights - BUT YOU DON'T! You're trying to regulate the person next to you, and not yourself. Your reasoning about "sleeping doesn't interfere with the person next to you".. YES! IT DOES! Any activity in 22" of space will interfere with the person next to you. Guess how much sleep someone in the isle and middle seat gets when the guy at the widow has to use the lavatory? You're the type of dude that would blame the victim of a murder for walking in the way of the bullet. Who cares if the murderer was being a nuisance?! Right? AMIRITE?
Sleeping isn't an activity and it certainly doesn't disturb anyone else. Hell, I mentioned reading, watching the shows and listening to music too, but that's fine that you choose to beat the straw man. None of those interfere with anyone else. Shouting on the cell phone interferes with all of the above.
You some how have this notion that when you're in an airport or on a plane that they are hotels and you must sleep. Maybe, before you fly, you should - um, SLEEP! The whole world doesn't need to shut up so you can nap.. get that through your head already and knock off the petty rants. If you could read, which it's blatantly obvious that you can't, you'd have saw that I had absolutely no problem with the group of (moderately loud) teenagers, or the mother with her baby (which occasionally cried). You'd have seen that the only person who was a nuisance to EVERYONE else was the person on the cell phone yacking loud enough for everyone to be able to recite back precisely what her conversation was, whether they were next to her or all the way across the waiting area. Has nothing to do with my desire to catch up on rest, or the other adult's desire to read. I wasn't a nuisance to the lady reading, or the teenagers, or the mother with child, nor were any of them to me or each other. Only 1 person was a nuisance. Your friend, loud-cell-phone-yacker.
I suppose you haven't been on a plane with babies have you? I suppose they shouldn't fly either by your rules.. their ear popping crying will probably disturb your precious nap. This is where it's obvious you don't actually read what others say, because I elaborated on PRECISELY this situation and what my opinion on it is.
No matter how YOU try to justify your views, airports are hotels and aren't for people to sleep in.. sorry. No matter how you try to justify it, YOU don't have the right to determine what is and isn't a valid phone conversation.. you somehow think you have that right. Roll your eyes all you want.. you look like the idiot, not the person on the call. (And yea.. if the person is obnoxiously loud, it's a little rude, but in a public place, she can do it. It's not a library, it's a terminal) 1. Read
2. comprehend -- very important
I could give a damn about the validity of her phone conversation. I DO care when she's loud enough to annoy the guys on the tarmac loading bags. If I had any belief that people like you and her would speak at a reasonable volume like the majority of reasonable fliers do, then I wouldn't be against people talking on phones on cramped airplanes. However, thanks to your posts, i'm now even more set against the above situation, since I now see the mindset behind such people isn't a mere obliviousness to how loud they are (something which could be easily righted with a kind request), but a downright entitlement to be as annoying as you want to be in public, regardless of your effect on others, merely because you're just that important.
And for your posts, I sincerely thank you.
The next argument you make is containing the word "reasonable".. I am assuming, rightfully so, that no level of volume someone speaks at, you give a VERY good impression that someone shouldn't use their phone at all around you.. I don't find YOU reasonable at-all, so you trying to argue what reasonable is lost. Are you reading at all? If you were, you'd see that I have no problem with people talking once we land. Once we're on the ground, I could care less. People already turn on their cell phones to talk right when the phone lands - have I complained about that? Absolutely not. I am highly entertained by your inserting what I supposedly have and haven't said, without choosing to quote where i've supposedly said it...
Again, if you don't like to fly with "dealing" with other people - then stay on the ground. I will say this.. listening to the news today talking about air line prices, I agree with analysis's.. air travel needs to go back to a premium luxury to a point ... the prices need to go back up. Airlines are for profit companies. Airline travel is not a right. I hope the price rises more - it will only weed out self-centered, overly intolerant, under-rested people like you. The world doesn't revolve around you, OR your naps. I suggest a white noise machine at night so you won't be so prone to fall asleep every day.. or get checked for sleep apnea or something. And this is where you go from being misguided to downright misinformed and possibly worse. Mind telling me which for-profit airline was the most successful over the past 10 years? Mind researching which airline is the only airline in the United States to post profits every year for the past 35 years?
Here's a hint: It's a for profit company that is synonymous with low cost carriers in the United States, and it puts the big boys to shame. It's based in my hometown, and it competes with American Airlines which is also from my hometown. That enough for ya?
Industry analysts = corporate shill. Good job.
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1 edit | said by tiger72:said by fiberguy:Industry analysts = corporate shill. Good job. You're an idiot!
But, I will answer one questions.. South West.. you know why? It's ONLY because they learned how to hedge fuel.. if it wasn't for that, they'd be hurting. Try to tango with me.
Note: I'll definitely gladly take this hit for this one. | |
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