Re: Cable > DSL in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20924642 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26:37 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26:37 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20927753 elray :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

I know lots of people with DSL because they don't give a crap about 10Mb service. They are fixated on POTS and would rather have 1.5-3Mb service for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of cable.
We're not fixated on POTS.
When, or should I say, IF cable-voip offers a service level equivalent to POTS, then we'll look at it.

Cable has had a decade of opportunity to make their service viable. In my neighborhood, they've re-cabled four times in 18 months, but it (cable modem) still craps out daily.

I expect my phone to ring when it is dialed.
Circuit-switched POTS ensures that. VOIP, in all of its flavors, does not, and often, doesn't route the failed call to a working voicemail box. POTS does. When I dial 911, I expect to reach a 911 operator, who knows who I am and where I am, every time. POTS does this. Everything else doesn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20927753 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:13:38 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20927104 en102 : I've been on both, and typically will go for whatever deal works out best for 'me'.

1. I don't have HDTV sets, nor do I care for any of the hockey/football/sports packages. I can (and do ) get decent service on OTA digital.
2. I do care if the service is reliable (esp. Internet, as I telecommute) I don't need service higher than 3Mbps/512kbps, but it had better be up.
3. I do need voice, and I don't care if its voip (I use Skypeout for telecon calls).
4. I want a good price.

Eg. I have been on
DirecTv (went from $55 to $65/month for 3 sets on 'plus' package.
AT&T POTS/LD $40 + $4.99 for Canada + Tax/fees = $57 :mad:
DSL-Extreme: 3mbps/512kbps for $24.95 + taxes

TWC will be giving me: Digital (1 box) + analog + HSI + VoIP unlimited for $89/month + taxes/fees (probably $100 total).

In the long term, I may switch over to AT&T DSL for a better deal: AT&T DSL $30/month, Vonage/Call Vantage $25/month, and OTA digital TV.

Its next to impossible to move my phone number while on DSL-Extreme, so I'm taking this route.
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said by Mactron See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

T I only know one person who has DSL and that was because his cable service in Manhattan was awful.
I know quite a few here. The local Comcast franchise just plain sucks here. I just helped a friend here setup Dry Loop DSL here. Comcast hooked her up with USB Internet so she couldn't use it on her other computers. After many calls and tech visits Comcase basically told her Tough Luck. "We only promised you one computer connectivity". :huh:

She dumped Comcast cable TV, HSI and is very happy with her new DISH DVR and DSL. She saves ~ $20 a month too. :D ;)

Moral... Not all Cable Companies are created equally. Get over it Cable Shills. ;)
Im not even sure what "USB INTERNET" is. If the tech had an issue with her NIC he resorts to USB. They are not there to figure out any issues your system might have. Its your system.
If its hooked up via USB and the customer wants to unplug it and plug in another computer with Cat5 what is stopping them? There is nothing in the modem stating it needs a USB connection.

As far as customer service stating they only hook up one PC thats true. Unless its networking, the tech isnt going to have you line up every CP in the house and hook them up and install drivers on all of them.
They can of course.. and Im sure a charge will ensue.
In any event a tech using USB and installing drivers is actually the OPPOSITE of lazy. Its a last resort and for some reason the tech had to resort to it.
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CableTechs.org/"Horrible People with Integrity"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20926706 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:07:03 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20926131 Syncognition : Embarq includes NIC installation in a full install scenario. Not all ISPs are created equally. Some do only what is necessary to get service working for a customer, while others do only what is necessary to make the customer satisfied with how their service works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20926131 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:27:07 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20925610 bobjohnson :
said by Mactron See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

Story is full of holes here Mactron.
As they say the truth hurts. ;)
Deal with it.

My guess, they couldn't figure out release, renew to pull a new IP address. So USB it was. :p
Or they had a misconfigured firewall, or the NIC was bad, or the drivers for the NIC were not installed.. Cable techs and Phone techs are not Computer techs and guaranteed with your story if they were installing dsl on that computer it would have been hooked up usb also..
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said by telcolackey See Profile :

If she only had USB I expect this was a very old computer. To say that Comcast sucks because the tech could not figure out how to hook up outdated equipment probably running a very old OS is a bit of a general statement based on a isolated issue.
Yeah.. I see windows 98 and up computers with no ethernet and technically we aren't supposed to install anything less than Win Me, if I tell them no i can't install on this computer (which i don't tell them no) does that make att better? I have been installing dish, directv, and dsl takeovers for a month now. Why? Because bright house has free install, free equipment and $99 a month for Digital Cable, 7/1 internet and unlimited florida phone... DSL around here is very unreliable, but so is cable so price wins here anyways
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20925590 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:55:47 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20925569 jsz0 : ^^ You can use a USB connection on a modem on any computer if you install a driver. Perhaps he tried CAT5 and it didn't work for some reason? So he used USB instead? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20925569 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:50:40 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20925483 fiberguy : Maybe the moral to that story is that stupid people shouldn't own computers, especially these days. That story only isn't full of holes, it's not believable either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20925483 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:32:52 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20925473 fiberguy : Not to mention, I'm sure that there are 90% of the people that would agree that no one wants a "lazy" tech, much less a smart one, installing anything on their computers..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20925473 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:30:23 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924892 dadkins :
said by Mactron See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

We believe you Mactron, honestly! :D
Sorry, the truth hurt your feelings. :(
Have a great weekend. :D
Only thing that hurts is my sides from laughing! :D

You have a Great Weekend as well! :)
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said by Mactron See Profile :

Moral... Not all Cable Companies are created equally.
Not only that, not all regions of the same cable company are equal, either. Embarq DSL is much faster and more reliable than Roadrunner here, at the same price. When RR slaps on caps and overage fees, there's another advantage.

As far as surviving, the telcos need to roll out DSL where the cablecos have declined to serve. There are still plenty of people out in the fringe desperate for HSI, many would even pay a (small) premium for it.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

We believe you Mactron, honestly! :D
Sorry, the truth hurt your feelings. :(
Have a great weekend. :D
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said by Mactron See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

Story is full of holes here Mactron.
As they say the truth hurts. ;)
Deal with it.

My guess, they couldn't figure out release, renew to pull a new IP address. So USB it was. :p
The original connect had to pull IP when modem powered up - with either connection.

There is no need for release renew when swapping connection type.
Resetting or powercycle of modem(at most) is all that is needed.
USB was used (most likely) at user request/approval as it would require running the install software to install USB drivers - but you already know this, right? :p

Getting way too deep in here for me. LOL!
We believe you Mactron, honestly! :D
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Story is full of holes here Mactron.
As they say the truth hurts. ;)
Deal with it.

My guess, they couldn't figure out release, renew to pull a new IP address. So USB it was. :p
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924778 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:33:36 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924773 BillRoland :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Story is full of holes here Mactron.
I have to agree. The believability of what he wrote is predicated on all of us being idiots and never having looked behind the cable modem.

The only lazy person is the person too lazy to unplug the USB, plug in the CAT5 and power cycle the modem.
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said by Matt See Profile :

That is because - FiOS being the exception - cable in most areas is a much better product than U-Verse or DSL. Factor in bundle pricing, quicker installation times, and the highers speeds that are marketed and it's a pretty easy choice. I only know one person who has DSL and that was because his cable service in Manhattan was awful.
FIOS is an exception ONLY if they market it right. They are not. And, that billing system sucks. Trust me, VZ investors are starting to consider a lot of changes at VZ. I own a ton of their stock. If I don't start seeing returns by end of 2010, I'll be voting with the crowd that wants to fire the top management.
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

I know lots of people with DSL because they don't give a crap about 10Mb service. They are fixated on POTS and would rather have 1.5-3Mb service for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of cable.
I know a few just like that... but I also get to hear about xxxMB taking forever to download too.
I get the same complaints of cable users suffering from BT traffic shaping. Grass is always greener on the other side.
Yep, from either side, huh? :o
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said by dadkins See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

I know lots of people with DSL because they don't give a crap about 10Mb service. They are fixated on POTS and would rather have 1.5-3Mb service for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of cable.
I know a few just like that... but I also get to hear about xxxMB taking forever to download too.
I get the same complaints of cable users suffering from BT traffic shaping. Grass is always greener on the other side.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924733 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:23:31 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924731 dadkins : You say lazy.
To connect USB, drivers have to be installed - more work.
To connect CAT5, plug it in - no installation of drivers.

For more than one computer to be used, sub either gets to pay for Home networking and all hw/installation/setup is handled and supported by Comcast

*OR*... user gets to connect their own router - themselves - no installation by Comcast and no support.

Story is full of holes here Mactron.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Something missing from this story. :hmm:
Full true story.
6 Mo. old Dual Core computer with no issues.

Your Comcast franchise maybe a BMW...
The Comcast franchise here. is a YUGO. :huh:
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CAT5 is easier(no driver install needed).
If the tech was truly lazy, CAT5 would have been used.

Why should she have to do it? Comcast will NOT connect, or support, a router.
The USER will have to add it later themself.

Something missing from this story. :hmm:
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

I know lots of people with DSL because they don't give a crap about 10Mb service. They are fixated on POTS and would rather have 1.5-3Mb service for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of cable.
I know a few just like that... but I also get to hear about xxxMB taking forever to download too.
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Think outside the Fox... Opera]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924651 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:08:56 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924642 Mactron :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Yeah, too hard. :hmm:
Not for me.. Apparently it's to hard for Comcast and their "Techs" ! :huh:
And why should She have to do it? :o

Bottom line, Comcast "Techs" are Lazy and/or incompetent and Comcast doesn't give damn about the customer here.
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924642 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:05:55 EDT Re: Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924623 dadkins : WTF? Neither you nor anyone else could power off the equipment and yank the USB and connect CAT5?

Yeah, too hard. :hmm:
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said by Matt See Profile :

T I only know one person who has DSL and that was because his cable service in Manhattan was awful.
I know quite a few here. The local Comcast franchise just plain sucks here. I just helped a friend here setup Dry Loop DSL here. Comcast hooked her up with USB Internet so she couldn't use it on her other computers. After many calls and tech visits Comcase basically told her Tough Luck. "We only promised you one computer connectivity". :huh:

She dumped Comcast cable TV, HSI and is very happy with her new DISH DVR and DSL. She saves ~ $20 a month too. :D ;)

Moral... Not all Cable Companies are created equally. Get over it Cable Shills. ;)
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924529 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:35:05 EDT Cable > DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924408 Matt : That is because - FiOS being the exception - cable in most areas is a much better product than U-Verse or DSL. Factor in bundle pricing, quicker installation times, and the highers speeds that are marketed and it's a pretty easy choice. I only know one person who has DSL and that was because his cable service in Manhattan was awful.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20924408 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:05:57 EDT