[Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 in Bell Canada http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20930542 en Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:52:28 EDT Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:52:28 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21251347 Ghetto_Child : Technician came today to fix some bad wiring which improved my throughput a little bit but the major hinderence was problems with the central or switching office or something. I guess they've fixed the problem at their location because the technician left a few hours ago and now my signal type is back to Fast-G.DMT from the Interleaved.DMT. Now all diagnostics pass and my speed is back to 3Mbits down and 800Kbits up. I'm just happy to be getting 100% throughput of what I paid for.

As my saying goes, newer isn't always better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21251347 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:46:32 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21184767 Ghetto_Child : The NTP in the SS4200 doesn't seem to work. I tried using time.nrc.ca then I tried both tick.greyware.com & ntp3.tamu.edu . None of which none of which accurately time stamped the firewall log. Does anyone know a reason why this doesn't work? I used the same syntax as the SS4200 manual and to no effect. The time.nrc.ca works perfect in the DI624's NTP Server setting.

Another thing, anyone has an opinion on this from the SS420 Status and Diagnostics pages?
The status page says Interleaved-G.DMT for many months along with slower internet speed/throughput; feels something like 1Mbits/s. Before the "upgrade" at the beginning of this year the dsl modem status page used to say Fast-G.DMT. During the "upgrade for about 1 or 2 months at the beginning of the year I saw ADSL2/+ accompanied with my speed bump from 3Mbit to 5Mbits/s. The diagnostics page inside the SpeedStream 4200 has been displaying for as long as I noticed the speed degrade:
Connections at the Carrier
Test | Description | Result
Ethernet to ATM | Test Ethernet connection to ATM | PASS
OAM Segment | Test ATM OAM segment ping | FAIL
OAM end-to-end | Test ATM OAM end-to-end ping | FAIL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21184767 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:36:36 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21184311 Ghetto_Child : Sorry if I misled you. My last reply wasn't a question. It was a statement of my findings. I was just saying that based on the results I've had with the 2 methods I've been told to try, I like the double NAT method more.

Do you think if I turn off the DI624 DHCP the SS4200 DHCP will be passed along to each client attached to the DI624? It just occurred to me that you might have meant to try that as the setup.

As for knowing what I want before I ask, well when I first started I knew what I wanted but obviously I didn't know how to ask. After getting the double NAT to work the way I wanted it to I am using the opportunity to ask and try other configs to learn about it. See plugging the SS4200 onto the LAN would have never occurred to me as workable anytime soon. I also could not have forseen the router functions being unusable (design limitations) and all this is letting me learn first hand, I can re-implement all this on any of my friends configs and repeatedly troubleshoot other similar configs I encounter by using the experience you all just helped me to gain.

I'll give you an example of my back and forth changes in config, SS4200 in router mode will ALWAYS be present, for the next few months the DI624 will be present in router mode as the 2nd device in the chain. After that the DI624 might be removed all together and the SS4200 will be plugged directly to a PC for a few months. After that a completely different 2nd device will be introduced; maybe a switch, maybe a different router (non-DI624) for a few months, after that a wireless access point might be introduced or the DI624 or an SMC 2804 will be used as the 2nd device purely just for the wireless transmission. So every few months or every few weeks I might be changing back and forth between all these configs as I play with programs, learn about access and network throughput.

In the future I want to build a cluster server and run it on the same network as my standalone PCs. I intend to scale the server starting with 2 nodes and increasing by 1 as I learn how correctly until I have 6 nodes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21184311 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:06:05 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21182426 ggpr : btw, if this comes purely down to port triggering,upnp,etc... not working, its because of the double nat.

at that point you have to set the dlink to be the default dmt or set many (lots and lots) of port forwards manually and have to keep adjusting these port forwards every time you load a new app. Using the dmt feature, at that point your bypassing all router capabilities of the ss4200 leaving you pretty much at the same solution people have told you before, use the modem as a modem (not router).

If you don't understand what I just said, then I recommend you to read up on the following
1) How does nat work
2) How does port triggering work
3) How does upnp work
4) How do basic firewalls and/or gateways work]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21182426 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:04:17 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21182389 ggpr : 1)I told you to disable the dhcp on the dlink for that reason.
2)If you want to use the router functions of the dlink then you must use it as a router.
3)If your so set on using double nat for any reason then I forgotten as to why your asking questions in this forum.
4)My final recommendation comes to a couple possibilities
a) leave setup as is
b) use your dlink as router and ss4200 as bridge mode (I recommend and has been suggested before)
c) put setup back to where it was

This ends my help as I feel you know what your asking but at the same time you don't. In other words you still keep contradicting yourself.

Before asking another question, please figure out what you want before you ask for a solution.

You stated before you wanted to use the ss4200 as the router because thats how you want to leave things setup for the future. Now you tell me you want the dlink there. If you want the dlink there, then put the ss4200 in bridge mode. but I suspect you will repeat yourself and state you want to only have the ss4200 there again. --see the loop?

You have all the answers. Only you can decide which answer your looking for. Have fun.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21182389 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:55:44 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21182307 Ghetto_Child : So I've been using the SS4200 in router mode plugged into LAN1 on the DI624 and I have to say I don't like it very much. I find the double NAT far easier to manage/understand than using the SS4200 on the LAN ports. Plus you lose alot of DI624 functions using just the switch side of the DI624, like:

NTP client, for some reason the NTP can only use the WAN side to communicate and without NTP the DI624 loses the time & date after each router reboot.

Status/Trffic logging of packets, protocols, and IPs. All network activity is only logged when crossing the WAN so now internet activity is going LAN-LAN there's no logging.

I havn't tested for sure but I'm guessing port triggering can't be used if the SS4200 is on the LAN side. I prefer to be able to trigger incomming WAN traffic with the DI624 that's being port forwarded from the SS4200.

Can't use DHCP if you want to access the internet because the DI624 DHCP points to its WAN port so all PCs must have static IP settings.

Can't use the Ping function in DI624 to ping the internet for troubleshooting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21182307 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:32:12 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21174024 Ghetto_Child : Ok I'll try it on the LAN side, see this is something not mentioned on the portforward.com website (not taking the forum into account) and according to you would be much more efficient than following the directions on the portforward.com website to the letter.

You've proven my point that if I ask questions from someone experienced I'll learn what's wrong with what I was attempting and get guidance on how to fix it. All these suggestions are not even hinted at on the website. I guess because it's too exceptional to be thought of as an issue that needed instructions for.

Thank you everyone regardless, I'm gonna try out the SS4200 on the LAN side and see how I like it. Still the double NAT I find simple to understand. I'm basically copying all the forwarding "concepts" from one device to the other but paying attention to expansions in the IP numbers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21174024 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:11:38 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21171140 ggpr : The dlink says to put the modem on the wan port because its under the assumption its acting as a modem.

It is no longer just a modem when your using the firewall capabilities of it; hence you just make use of the switch side of the dlink.

Its not that double nat won't work. It will. It just adds that extra step that isn't needed. It adds that extra device that can fail. It also makes port forwarding more cumbersome as you will now have to tell 2 devices to port forward and hope everything works. If you use an option like dmt, then it completely negates the modems capabilities of it firewall. There are some protocols that are more complicated then a simple port forward and require special assistance where a double nat will not work (but I'm not sure if these firewalls do that anyways).

As long as the modem has a firewall, it shouldn't put you at more risk (at least not mentionable). At this point you would be doubting the quality of the firewall ability's of the units.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21171140 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:20:44 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21170817 Ghetto_Child : well I thought NAT gave a bunch of IPs behind the one external IP it's plugged to, hence daisy chaining is a method of expanding a network or banking on child networks behind a single IP per network so to speak.

I never thought of putting the SS4200 on one of the DI624 LAN ports. Interesting idea, an alternative I'll try just so that I understand what the difference is. The reason I was daisy chaining is because I don't intend to keep the DI624 there permanently. I'm using it temp to split up the internet, randomly I will use the internet from SS4200 directly to a PC. ATM I'm using the DI624 in between.

I didn't mention the 2nd router because my primary concern was if I am forwarding ports from the internet across the SS4200 correctly. I wanted to start with the first device and worry about the DI624 after I found out if the SS4200 is forwarding correctly and after I had learned how to use the PFWDing on the SS4200 correctly.

I didn't want to worry about the DI624 right away but I brought it up because of all the comments and so many questions to why I wanted to know what I was trying to ask.

All of you are saying the double NAT is complicated but I havn't seen anything complicated about it yet. It's like 2 sides of a coin, you can have the same IP number and they are actually pointing at 2 different uhm "nodes". the 2nd NAT expands 1 IP address into a network of IPs, like exponents I guess. Multiplying 1 external IP into 255^4 nodes right?

I figured out how that works on my own when I was playing around with setting the DI624 to have the same IP number on the LAN and the WAN and noticing that the two IPs were not pointing to the same node.

So now another question is if daisy chaining both in router mode is such a bad idea why do they have the uplink port on the DI624 and the WAN configuration page inside the DI624 and all the manuals and manufacturers instruct you to plug the DSL modem into the uplink port on the DI624? That's what I'm using right now, SS420 plugged to uplink on DI624 and 2-3 PCs on ports 1-3 of DI624. DI624 has 5 ports including the uplink port.

Also if I plug the SS4200 directly onto LAN1 of the DI624 instead of the dedicated uplink port. Doesn't that put me at more risk since the internet will be directly on/inside my LAN? Won't that require more traffic management to secure from unwanted entries/invasions?

The way I have it set up seems easier for me to manage/understand, everyone on the LAN (everyone behind the DI624) is being seen by the SS4200 192.168.2.10. the DI624 sees everyone on the LAN as individuals like 192.168.0.100 and 192.168.0.101 and etc. This seems like a simple idea to manage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21170817 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:18:25 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169393 ggpr : I first have to say...

I was intriguingly following along as the suspense was building...then the climax came (2 routers in series) and the ending is kinda slow and boring.

First of all, your setup is wrong unless you know what you are doing (not when your trying to do something else...like you are now). It is over-complicating things when they don't need to be. ie: you have to do port forward on both units for it to work and have a pretty good idea how nat works as well (lots of reading).

you have the equipment to do what you want so long as you can turn everything off on the dlink. (dhcp, etc...)

do NOT use the wan port on the dlink. hook all computers and ss4200 to the lan ports. at this point your dlink should be acting as a switch.

now you only have to worry about configuring the ss4200.

I must say that portforwards on the ss4200 to work with static ip's only is rather...well...crude.

on a side note: Doctor Olds has done a great job at answering your questions this far and the fault does lie in the fact that you failed to mention your setup as well as were quite vague as to your problem. I have to stress that fact that the unmentioned 2 routers definitely would have guaranteed that no-one would have been able to answer your questions (like saying your car doesn't work and later mentioning you have an EMP device beside it). When you mentioned the 2 ip ranges earlier, I thought you were using a wider ip range with a subnet of 255.255.0.0.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169393 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:14:21 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169371 anon : when all else fails...

Its Bells fault.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169371 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:09:34 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169240 Ghetto_Child : yes I know that routers contain switches but switches are not routers and that large corporations use many managed switches through a single router.

I'm not looking for just the answer, I'm discussing (although you all see it as arguing) with you my situation, what I want and what's happening when I try different things. I want to use the SS4200 for as many functions as possible and the DI624 I'm using just to split the connection amongs all the PCs, log/manage internal LAN to LAN activity, and eventually use the DI624 to do triggering from behind the SS4200, as in SS4200 forwards only what my custom rules allow and the DI624 just triggers whatever is received.

Lets step aside from all this for a moment, I have a side question, how come on my DI624 when I set triggering rules for uTorrent by setting TCP & UDP ports 32459 as the trigger and setting TCP & UDP ports 32459 as the public port; uTorrent can't get access? This is without making changes on the SS4200. However leaving the SS4200 the same and turning off the DI624 triggering on 32459 but turning on forwarding for the same both TCP & UDP ports 32459 in the "Virtual Server" page of DI624 makes uTorrent work/communicate? What's the difference?

Maybe this info from the DI624 Device Info page will help you guys too
LAN
MAC Address
IP Address 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
DHCP Server Enabled

WAN
MAC Address
Connection fixed IP
IP Address 192.168.2.10
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway 192.168.2.1
DNS 192.168.2.1 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169240 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:42:11 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169199 sbrook : You've been given the best advice that you can be given but you want to carry on down the road of I'm right and I want you to help me prove it.

Like Dr Olds ... I'm throwing my hands up in despair.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169199 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:32:37 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169181 Doctor Olds : OK, I bite my tongue.

You apparently have no investment in trying to learn and you want this handed to you on a silver platter. Not from me.

I will close with, do you know why thousands of dollars Cisco Routers only have one or two Ethernet ports? I'm talking about the Cisco Routers that handle HUGE traffic for hundreds of other smaller Routers. It is because they are designed to work in a Rack with Switches that come with 12, 24, 36, 48, 64 and even 128 ports to attach to the Cisco.

[att=2]

All Routers started out without having a built in switch and initially came with one Ethernet port meaning if you required sharing the Router, you purchased a Multi-port Switch.

»Re: 4200 or 5360?

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169181 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:28:44 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169176 Ghetto_Child :
said by sbrook See Profile :

Remember that your 4200 is assigning only 1 IP address right now, and that's the IP to the router, and that's a 192.168.*.* address. Your 192.168.*.* addresses assigned for your local systems are the addresses known only to your DI624. They are Not known to the 4200. Say your DI624 gets 192.168.0.255 from the 4200. Say you've assigned 192.168.0.2 and .0.3 to two of your LAN computers. Now none of your LAN computers can look directly at the 4200 because they can't reach 192.168.0.255 because the DI624 cannot forward packets to that IP. It's a non-routable IP address - and the 4200 being on the WAN side of the DI624 requires routing!
But my LAN clients CAN see the SS4200, my LAN is 192.168.0.* and the SS4200 is 192.168.2.1 and right now each PC on the LAN can access directly the SS4200, the WAN side of my DI624 is static 192.168.2.10. The DHCP range in the SS4200 is .2.10-254 so the .0.255 or any .*.255 will never be given to the DI624 from DHCP. Also my DI624 WAN is set static to 192.168.2.10 so that will never change either. The only DHCP I use sometimes is on the LAN side or DI624 to PC. Everything else I have set manually static. Also the DI624 forces all outbound DHCP to match the first three portions of the LAN IP.

Now my idea of triggering is that any port incomming on the DI624 WAN side will trigger a LAN side port to open on a specific IP. Alternatively I could also use the portforward.com triggering software so that the PC triggers the DI624 to open/close ports and the SS4200 just continuously forwards to the DI624 no matter if DI624 is open or closed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169176 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:27:54 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169024 sbrook : the 4200 will act as if it's a DSL firewall router. As you note, it only has a single port, not multiple ports. It will assign the IP addresses to multiple hosts if they are connected up via a switch or hub.

The DI624 router is a multiport DSL/Cable router ... not a switch or hub and whilst you can get it to operate as one in a limited way, you cannot, unlike non-NATP routers, eliminate many of the NATP functions which are what are causing you grief now.

Remember that your 4200 is assigning only 1 IP address right now, and that's the IP to the router, and that's a 192.168.*.* address. Your 192.168.*.* addresses assigned for your local systems are the addresses known only to your DI624. They are Not known to the 4200. Say your DI624 gets 192.168.0.255 from the 4200. Say you've assigned 192.168.0.2 and .0.3 to two of your LAN computers. Now none of your LAN computers can look directly at the 4200 because they can't reach 192.168.0.255 because the DI624 cannot forward packets to that IP. It's a non-routable IP address - and the 4200 being on the WAN side of the DI624 requires routing!

Now similarly, the 4200 cannot see the LAN computers because the DI624 cannot route 192.168.0.* packets from the WAN to the LAN unless you forward everything!

It ends up being one huge dogs dinner of a mess.

You'll never be able to cascade triggers through this mess even if the 4200 can trigger.

Do yourself a favour. Set up the 624 to act as your DSL router and put the 4200 in bridge mode. It will save you a LOT of grief. The extra workload on the DI624 in this configuration will be negligible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21169024 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:56:14 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168834 Ghetto_Child : Ok what is so impossible about my idea? I want the SS4200 to be the router, I want the DI-624 to act like a switch, I know it's not necessarily acting like a switch now but I'd like to make it act like a switch. Still the SS4200 has only 1 port so are you suggesting that the SS4200 can actually see more than just the one LAN port it has? Are you suggesting it's possible to make the DI-624 give all the PCs/IPs connected to it directly over to the SS4200 so that the SS4200 can manage it?

This would be ideal for me but I don't see how to do that?

I did notice that the SS4200 doesn't have triggering in it, I thought I could still get triggering done since the DI-624 has it, but that's a final step after I get forwarding done properly then I'll play with triggering. What's wrong with the SS4200 in router mode forwarding ports to the DI-624 and then the DI-624 does triggering? Sounds possible but you guys will have to tell me why that cannot work, I can't forsee that with my current knowledge]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168834 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:12:20 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168814 Doctor Olds : You didn't find any guides on Double NAT/NAPT as it is not a suggested or recommended configuration. You would not have the 192.168.0.X IPs if your were using the second Router as a Switch so that comment in your post is just not true, but that shows you are in fact using it as a Router. You just don't know which mis-information or false info to post next. Plus you don't know that Port Triggering (A Router feature, not a Switch feature) is not going to work ever when behind another Router that does not have that Feature.

Good luck getting anything except super simple applications using only one port like uTorrent to work behind Double NAT/NAPT as they just won't failing with a unsolvable error (unsolvable because you don't want to use one Router and have the 4200 just be a Bridge Modem).

I'm done.
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If you're cascading routers like this you'll have more problems than you can imagine.

Either you need to use the 4200 in bridged mode (modem only) with the DI-624 managing your network, OR you need to run the 4200 as a Router assigning IPs and the hub/switch looking after internal traffic.

Remember that the router will NOT pass non-routable traffic and you'll create a non-routing layer between the 4200's router/firewall and the DI-624!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168752 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:55:07 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168692 Ghetto_Child : Well I'm skimming the last 3 responses because you guys have brought up so many questions it might take me a while to answer. First I dont' want to use the 4200 as a bridge, I want the 4200 to do all firewall, port traffic management, internet dns, gateway, etc. I want the DSL modem to do all the management. I was first trying to use it directly onto the computer but the rest of my family had been needing the access simultaneously. Before this whole thing started in this thread I was planning to build a router out of a PC from scratch but I havn't reached that stage yet.

So back to the modem, first I tried configuring it directly onto a PC, then other family members needed simultaneous access so I plugged in a DI-624 to be used just as a switch and to manage client to client traffice inside the LAN, I want the 4200 to do everything else. I went back and forth playing with settings following portforward.com's guides and plugging the modem directly to the pc and through the router to try and isolate why I was having internet trouble, browser crashes, packet loss. Turned out the culprit was likely the NOD32 when you put checks on the items populated under "Web Broswers" and "Active Mode". It scans activity in web browsers. If my IE6 is checked the whole internet gets packet loss and trying to access the DI-624 and SS4200 web interfaces caused the page to endlessly seek but never find, incompletely load pages, or make the browser crash.

I turned off the feature and can now browse just fine, so now I'm at the utorrent problem I was having. I followed the portforward guide but had no way of knowing where I was supposed to forward the ports to, the PC or the immediately next client/device. I wasn't sure if the 4200 was supposed to forward ports to the PC's IP address or to the DI-624 external IP or to the DI-624 internal IP. I didn't know if I needed to forward a different port to each IP or the same port to each IP. I couldn't find a scenario using the SS420 in router mode with a network router attached to it as the client. With all the crashing and lost packets I didn't know which error was the cause or even which setting was causing the error. Hence I needed someone with experience to guide me with questions and suggestions. BTW I did try using different IPs, different ports, using the guides on portforward.com but everytime I went through the guide and did what it said to do, the results were unsuccessful and I had no way of finding out why.

Now uTorrent seems to be working ok, I didn't have to change the SS4200 DHCP range (default is .2.10-254), turns out I needed to forward different port per PC to the immediately next device on the SS4200, so I sent all ports to .2.10, then I needed to use the virtual server page in the DI-624 to forward the ports to each individual IP. So that's 32459 to .0.100 and 56856 to .0.101

My next set of concerns is getting the Applications page in the DI-624 to work, that page sets port triggering rules but when I set a rule to match the virtual server page and then turn off the rule in the virtual server page so that I can enable the triggering rule on the applications page. It doesn't forward, so I need to know why what I'm doing doesn't work.

Next concern after that is getting ports correctly forwarded/triggered for MSN Messenger 7.0, and any other applications I might need to use in the near future. An explanation of the default firewall rules in the SS4200 would be nice as I'd like to custom the rules so that only what's useful to block is blocked and what should be allowed is allowed. The "LOW" firewall setting in the SS4200 has a long list of rules, there's also MEDIUM, HIGH, ICSA 3.0a Compliant, and Custom.

Currently I'm using DHCP assinged from the DI-624 to the clients. It's working for the forwarding and I know what to do if my PC receives the wrong IP address from DHCP.

So in short I want to manually configure everything so that the SS4200 does all the work in router mode and the DI-624 only takes care of LAN side work. I don't want the SS4200 in bridge mode either.

Now I'm gonna go back and re read your last 3-4 posts to comment on anything I missed out in this reply

And my motivation for doing all this "work" is because by learning how all this works and how/why my network needs to have the instructed settings will teach me about this level of network management, it's faster to learn from asking questions about how it should be done because I'm very slow at reading, I spent a good 3-4 days reading the port forwarding and triggering guides and the explanations on the progression pages but the result was it didn't give me any new insight on what might be wrong about my setup that could be causing it not to work as the site said it should.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168692 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:40:41 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168631 anon : this as it winds down has been one of the most comical reads in any of the canadian forums in quite sometime]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168631 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:29:54 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168603 Kringle : All that for "reset your 4200"? Astounding. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168603 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:26:13 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168182 Doctor Olds :
said by X10A See Profile :

If you are running a router behind, why don't you turn your modem into bridge mode instead? IMO you don't need 2 router in a home network with 2 different NAT and most likely 3 layer of firewall. Without a semi good understanding of networking the most slightest mis-config will drive you up the roof. That will eliminate half of your issue.
Amen Brother! I'm with you 100%
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said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

I thought you meant that shrinking the dynamic IP given by the speedstream is required for an unmentioned reason.
Wow, you think is has been unmentioned? You still don't grasp the reason?
said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

Also the forwarding rules I have set in the speedstream modem I put 1 rule for one PC and another for the 2nd PC. They are using 2 different ports for uTorrent.

My speedstream is on 192.168.2.1, my router WAN is 192.168.2.10 and the router's LAN IP is 192.168.0.1 so my PCs are always getting .0.100 and up for DHCP
Jaw Dropping Wow, talk about leaving out basic details..

Dude, your 4200 *IS* a Router. You don't use another Router behind it unless you simply don't know what you are doing or what that you actually have and when you do have a second Router, you should simply place the 4200 into Bridge/Unconfigured Mode. Then only one Router is in Control and only needs to be configured for Port Forwarding. Instead you are performing Doubled NAT/NAPT for no reason.

»Bell Canada Internet FAQ »How do I change into bridged mode on the 4200?

Truly speaking you have made an comedy of incomprehensible errors and beginner mistakes by all the withholding of info for some unmentioned reason and finally tell us you are running two Routers at the very end? Instead of this I need a Tutorial BS, if you had just posted this is my setup and this is what I would like to learn to do, we could have been done months ago. This info is in the Forum several times about using the 4200 as a Modem only when you have a second Router so this shows you did not use any of the resources already here nor did you bother to use the Forum search feature to see what the well known about fix was.

I'm just shaking my head is total disbelief.
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but imo if you were able to say at the beginning "I need help to config my utorrent to accept a incoming port on a clean Ss4200 with a router behind and with all the network address info" you may have saved tones of time to read/flame.

After 2 pages you have finally stated some useful info that we may have a better understanding of your current network and have yet to understand what exactly are you trying to achieve.

If you are running a router behind, why don't you turn your modem into bridge mode instead? IMO you don't need 2 router in a home network with 2 different NAT and most likely 3 layer of firewall. Without a semi good understanding of networking the most slightest mis-config will drive you up the roof. That will eliminate half of your issue. Then it is as easy as simple forward port in your router, open port and forward to the proper computer (ip/name).

BTW, I would strongly suggest you put all your computer on DHCP, assigning all computer on a reserve list will easily solve your issue, changing your nic? just bind the MAC address when you change NIC will solve the problem easily.

EDIT: if you want to learn them I strongly suggest you to pick up some book around "network+, or even CCNA if you decide to go further. Also Dawson college/champlain college/ Concordia have some relative cheap course on these networking subjects. Getting a guide on how to will not help you understand anything in this field since it only require the slightest change in an environment and you need a diff. method to solve the issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167697 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:52:55 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167261 Ghetto_Child :
said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

Up to now the only new useful info anyone has given was that my DHCP IP range inside the modem needs to be shrunk down. This is something never mentioned on portforward.com and
Really? That is again you skimming the details and not reading the info there as you don't have the needed minimum basics like you think you do. Plus you don't know the Speedstreams are setup with no free IPs as the entire LAN range is used for DHCP which must be corrected.

»portforward.com/networking/static-xp.htm
quote:
Dynamic vs Static IPs

Most routers assign dynamic IP addresses by default. They do this because dynamic ip address networks require no configuration. The end user can simply plug their computer in, and their network will work. When ip addresses are assigned dynamically, the router is the one that assigns them. Every time a computer reboots it asks the router for an ip address. The router then hands it an ip address that has not already been handed out to another computer. This is important to note. When you set your computer to a static ip address, the router does not know that a computer is using that ip address. So the very same ip address may be handed to another computer later, and that will prevent both computers from connecting to the internet. So when you asign a static IP addresses, it's important to assign an IP address that will not be handed out to other computers by the dynamic IP address server. The dynamic IP address server is generally refered to as the dhcp server.

That is them telling you to make sure the Static IP is not inside the DHCP Pool of addresses (aka DHCP Range) but that it must be outside the pool of addresses used/assigned by the DHCP Server. You obviously did not understand that, and you chose to ignore it rather than ask what it meant.

Enjoy.
I did read that part already and I do know how static and dynamic works, I always set my IP to static, I even set my router (not the speedstream) to take a static IP behind the dsl modem. I like static because you don't have to wait for the lease to reconfigure and you always know what IP the PC has in the LAN. Yeah I know I could use Static DHCP but I don't want to use that at the moment because I might change my NICs.

I thought you meant that shrinking the dynamic IP given by the speedstream is required for an unmentioned reason. I can assure you my network setup does not contain more than one PC trying to use the same IP. I have a max of 3 PCs on the network, usually only 2, and each of the PCs are always given the exact same IPs on the LAN when using DHCP, especially since only 1 PC is always on/connected.

Also the forwarding rules I have set in the speedstream modem I put 1 rule for one PC and another for the 2nd PC. They are using 2 different ports for uTorrent.

My speedstream is on 192.168.2.1, my router WAN is 192.168.2.10 and the router's LAN IP is 192.168.0.1 so my PCs are always getting .0.100 and up for DHCP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167261 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:42:22 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167257 Doctor Olds :
said by sbrook See Profile :

When you do this, your application can be in three states ...

1) Shut down (which would give you "stealth")
2) Active with no established connections (which is "closed")
3) Active with established connections (which is "open")
Slight correction if I may.

1) Application on PC Shut Down, but PF active and correct then the PC responds that the port is Closed.
2] Application on PC Running with PF active and correct regardless of outbound connections the response is Opened as returned by the Application/Program.
3] Application on PC Running or not, PF not active or not correct then response is Stealth as the Router drops all unsolicited and unforwarded ports equally.
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said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

Following the link in your message I ran some of their tests, the site says all my ports are stealthed, when I told it to ping my uTorrent port 32459 it says the port is "closed" ...
This is certainly a confusing response, but I THINK there may be some clues here.

Remember what stealthed, closed and open mean.

I liken it to walking past a house in the dark.

Stealthed means that it's so dark, you can't see the house. In other words, nothing whatsoever happens on those ports, you get no response from the port and your connection times out.

Closed means it may be dark, but there's a light over the door. You try the door, but it's locked. You can't get in.
In other words, when you try those ports, you get an error message back saying "closed".

Open means it may be dark, but there's a light over the door. You try the door, and somebody's waiting at the door to open it for you. In other words, when you try those ports, you actually get a "connected" response.

There are only 2 states that you can see from the other side of a router if there's no port forwarding for an inbound connection ... either stealth or open, and open doesn't help you because somebody else has the connection!

Now stealthed is the default scenario without port forwarding for INBOUND connections. If you want an external connection to establish a connection to your application without your application establishing a connection first, then you need to port forward.

This essentially exposes your application to the internet as if it were connected directly to the modem without a router. When you do this, your application can be in three states ...

1) Shut down (which would give you "stealth")
2) Active with no established connections (which is "closed")
3) Active with established connections (which is "open")

Note that if the router is not port forwarded, then you cannot see "closed". So from your bit of diags presented, you are actually port forwarding. The problem must therefore lie in the application. Is the application actually open, and have you allowed inbound connections?

Messenger spam is irrelevant to the problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167180 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:27:23 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167172 Doctor Olds :
said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

Up to now the only new useful info anyone has given was that my DHCP IP range inside the modem needs to be shrunk down. This is something never mentioned on portforward.com and
Really? That is again you skimming the details and not reading the info there as you don't have the needed minimum basics like you think you do. Plus you don't know the Speedstreams are setup with no free IPs as the entire LAN range is used for DHCP which must be corrected.

»portforward.com/networking/static-xp.htm
quote:
Dynamic vs Static IPs

Most routers assign dynamic IP addresses by default. They do this because dynamic ip address networks require no configuration. The end user can simply plug their computer in, and their network will work. When ip addresses are assigned dynamically, the router is the one that assigns them. Every time a computer reboots it asks the router for an ip address. The router then hands it an ip address that has not already been handed out to another computer. This is important to note. When you set your computer to a static ip address, the router does not know that a computer is using that ip address. So the very same ip address may be handed to another computer later, and that will prevent both computers from connecting to the internet. So when you asign a static IP addresses, it's important to assign an IP address that will not be handed out to other computers by the dynamic IP address server. The dynamic IP address server is generally refered to as the dhcp server.
That is them telling you to make sure the Static IP is not inside the DHCP Pool of addresses (aka DHCP Range) but that it must be outside the pool of addresses used/assigned by the DHCP Server. You obviously did not understand that, and you chose to ignore it rather than ask what it meant.

Enjoy.
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said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

You've now mentioned something that might be useful finally, first my dhcp settings inside the speedstream modem is set to default of 192.168.2.10-254, netmask is the usual 255.255.255.0, and gateway is 192.168.2.1, DNS server has "Use WAN" checked.
Amazing how that happens when you ask a specific question instead of teach me of Port Forwarding, TCP/IP, DHCP, NAPT and 15+ Years "hands on" experience A-Z in one easy tutorial.
said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

Also I already went through the entire guide on portforward.com I used the port forwarding and the port triggering guides neither one worked. I did everything it instructed me and neither worked. I've already read everything on that site explaining what forwarding is and I didn't learn anything new at all.
No you did not, you skimmed it as you clearly missed the meaning of "outside the DHCP range" and that only enforces that you should read it again and again until you fully grasp and understand it all.
said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

Olds seriously you're being a robot pasting generic info instead of asking me questions. You're assuming I'm absolutely clueless and never looked at a network before. I'm not an expert but I'm not a first time network user either. I need human guidance here because the generic instructions is not giving the results it's supposed to and since I can't ask a paper or a web document specific questions about my setup, generic help isn't going to work.
You are getting specific help and it is you that is not following/not understanding the steps for whatever reason. Obviously when PortForward.com says in their guide to set a Static IP "outside" the DHCP Range your experience or reading comprehension failed you and you did not know that if there is a range from 192.168.2.2 to 192.168.2.254 (192.168.2.1 is used by the Modem and 192.168.2.255 is called what? and cannot be used) that there are no available IPs left to use that are "outside" the DHCP Range so it common sense that it must be reduced in it's scope. Since you are not running 253 PCs at your location, a reasonable range is in the 20s so that you can freely use up to 24 PCs before you run out of automatically assigned IPs by the 4200's DHCP server. Yes, the 4200 is a DHCP Server among other things.

As to your level of expertise, tell me how anyone on God's Great Earth can begin to determine what that is by the posts you have made and the simple mistakes you have posted about? You are simply not putting forth any effort to learn and you are completely unreasonable to expect others to rack their brain in order to ask you all the possible questions in the world instead of you just posting specific questions when you hit a roadblock. Then you after half a dozen posts finally bless us with what you are actually wanting to do with uTorrent.

If you feel my answers are below your level, then by all means I'll stop and you can continue all on your own. Its not like I'm reimbursed for any of my time and effort here. I offer my help as a gift to others with no strings due to my ability to do so and I've had Speedstream Routers since 1999. I have answered ten's of thousands of questions about them in the Efficient Forum and I wrote most of the Efficient FAQs yet I still learn something new all the time. I even originally learned from reading some of those robotic links I posted to share with you so that should indicate that the info contained does indeed answer specifics, you apparently just can't bother/make the effort to learn that from them.

All I can suggest from here on out is that you invest in a few TCP/IP, Understanding Routing, Networking Basics, Port Forwarding, etc classes at your local Vocational/Technical College for what further tutorials that you may require. I'm pretty much throwing in the towel on trying to get you to open your eyes.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

Also before even on static 192.168.2.2 only TCP packets would forward and UDP packets would not work according to uTorrent.
Look for the option to forward both UDP and TCP packets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167046 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:06:41 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167026 Ghetto_Child : Ok I'll test it with uTorrent open this time, before making port forwarding changes in my 4200 I used the uTorrent test to see if 32459 was being forwarded correctly, it only gets forwarded when I had my static ip on 192.168.2.2. If I used .2.10 or let DHCP give me .2.10 the port would not forward correctly. Static .2.10 had better forwarding results than DHCP .2.10. Also before even on static 192.168.2.2 only TCP packets would forward and UDP packets would not work according to uTorrent.

I'll try testing again right now with uTorrent running. I'll post a reply when that's done]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167026 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:04:28 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167022 Kringle :
said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

I go through this with almost EVERY tech support they run me around for hours telling me to do all the basics that I've already tried numerous times despite listing to them in detail what I have already tried.
OK, then maybe people will be better able to help you if you were to clearly and concisely list what you have done ("numerous times") and specifically what you want to accomplish. I just reread this entire thread and it appears to me that all of your stated questions have been answered quite well. I just don't think that it's fair to expect people (who are just trying to help) to answer questions that haven't even been asked.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167022 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:04:02 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166979 Ghetto_Child : I understand that sbrook, I'm saying that I'm not a networking expert but I'm confident whatever info you tell me I will understand and will be useable. I do have an aptitude for networking because most things I figure out from trial and error and observing changes in results, like any other tech debugger/error trapper.

The reason I can't figure this one out is because I don't know what the results are telling me, I need someone else to explain what my results mean and at least point me at what is making all of this not work the expected way on portforward.com

Up to now the only new useful info anyone has given was that my DHCP IP range inside the modem needs to be shrunk down. This is something never mentioned on portforward.com and I'm curious if it has an actual effect on my setup. In otherwords you got my patient attention when you stated the DHCP range might be incorrect, I gave you the details from my DHCP page, so what's next?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166979 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:56:57 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166940 Ghetto_Child : olds was getting me frustrated because I already said I tried following portforwarding.com earlier in this thread a I went through both the port triggering and port forwarding guide already before starting this thread, I even read the explanation of what port forwarding is [u]BEFORE[/u] starting thread just in case I was missing something from memory.

I'm trying to stress that following the guides on that site resulted in an output that doesn't match at all and there was nothing on that website that even hinted at what might be wrong.

Olds I didn't mean to be insulting, I am frustrated at your responses thus far, I go through this with almost EVERY tech support they run me around for hours telling me to do all the basics that I've already tried numerous times despite listing to them in detail what I have already tried. That's why I said you're comming off as a robot, I have tried all the basics that I can think off and I have already followed the 2 guides posted on portforward.com

Having no luck so far I need some troubleshooting/setup instructions from a person who can adjust their responses according to the output I'm having.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166940 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:50:38 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166898 Doctor Olds :
said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

olds I'm already signed up here and right now I don't want to go through the trouble of signing up somewhere else yet again when dslreports has a larger wealth of information covering more topics.
Child, you posted that you could NOT ask questions at Port Forward, remember? I'll refresh you. My reply was »forum.portforward.com/ and that requires an effort on your part when you skim the instructions as you have. The info I've already provided works for most all people asking (I assume they take the time to study the info provided and then they may ask a very specific question if something still confuses them) and they come back saying it works now afterwards plus give a thanks.

said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :
You can't ask the user guide questions, I was following the portforward.com website and their directions had no effect which means I need someone to guide me so that they can tell me what to look for what to expect and should results turn out unexpected how to tackle it. I can't ask portforward.com questoins, it's a website not a person.
Obviously you do not want to learn, you just want to be shown step by step settings without understanding what you are doing and I do not work under those conditions. I expect equal if not greater effort from people I'm helping so they retain what they are being given. I am freely giving you info that would cost you several hundreds of dollars if you had to hire a support person to come on-site.

said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

I am certain there are many members on here that can help me with what I'm looking for, the problem seems to be none of you understand what I'm asking for.
I know it is the opposite, and you are simply wanting a "show me how" instead of learning how it all works in order to think through each part to make it work. No one can post a tutorial that would have known to answer your finally specific uTorrent setup problems/errors that were made from you not reading the basics on Port Forwarding and DHCP ranges well enough to comprehend the accurate instructions they provided. When they tell you select a Static IP "outside" the DHCP Range and you choose a IP "inside" the DHCP Range instead that clearly shows that you don't know what DHCP Range means so you end up making the errors you made. That's the real problem.

said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :
I tried using the site www.portforward.com but what it said to do is different from what I have in mind and I'm still left not really understanding why the site said to follow the directions it gave.
This explains the problem, you don't know, and yet you are convinced you know better and that your unknown way is better than the proven correct way at PortForward.com and that is your error also. A little humility would really help you.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

Following the link in your message I ran some of their tests, the site says all my ports are stealthed, when I told it to ping my uTorrent port 32459 it says the port is "closed"

Nothing happened on my PC.
Did you have uTorrent open and running when you tested it at GRC? Something has to be there to answer the remote request, otherwise there is no response when the application is closed/not running. Instead of "stealth" which happens without Port Forwarding and instead of "open" which happens with Port Forwarding and the Application using that Port actively running so it can respond "I'm here" you instead get "closed" from the PC since nothing is running on that port to answer on the Forwarded Port back to the remote request from GRC.

Just like making a phone call to someone that is not home, you get no answer (ignoring answering machines/voice mail services since PC ports don't have those).

I've been using uTorrent with zero problems behind any of my Speedsteams as the Port Forwarding works perfect everytime I set it up right and when it doesn't work it is due to an error on my part which I look for and then correct. I currently own at least a dozen different Speedstream models (some I have 2 or more of) from the earliest 4060, 5260, 5360, 5260/5660 Hybrid, 5660, 5667, 5861, 5880, 5100, 5200, 4100, 4200, and a 5930. I'm not bragging by the way, just stating the facts.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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What’s the point of owning a supercar if you can’t scare yourself stupid from time to time?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166403 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:13:59 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166170 sbrook : ghetto child ... people who post here are under absolutely no obligation to help others. The more arrogant the stance people take when asking their questions, the less likely they are to help. I'm surprised Dr Olds is even attempting to help considering the tone of your posts.

You're getting reasonable advice but you're playing two sides of the coin "I don't know what I'm doing, I need guidance" on the one hand and "Don't treat me like somebody who doesn't know what I'm doing, I've got lots of computer and network experience" on the other. How can anyone be able to help posters when they position themselves like that?

This isn't aimed just at you, because it happens fairly regularly. Some people make it insanely difficult to get the help.

I spent many years working in support for a major computer manufacturer. It really is hard to provide support for some customers because they had a preconceived idea of what their problem was or how they should be supported and that ran sometimes contrary to the way the support folks worked. It took a lot of patience to work with customers like that and we spent a lot of time guiding people to a solution that they would never have found if we hadn't coaxed them to our way of thinking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166170 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:31:30 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165990 Kringle : Hmmm... I'm confused.

You mention that you're a newbie and, when presented with a concise set of places to learn about how it works, that's not good enough.

So you're given specific instructions on how Port Forwarding works and the fundamental requirements for it to work and the thanks you give is to call that person a "robot"?

There are lots of people advertising in the Montreal Gazette classified ads that offer on-site networking hand-holding services. I believe that they start at around $75.00/hour.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165990 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:55:31 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165788 Ghetto_Child :
said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

What I've noticed is that if I use 192.168.2.2 I get utorrent port forwarded
Port Forwarding must be done with a Static IP on the LAN with that IP outside the DHCP range. That usually means reducing the DHCP Range down to 192.168.2.2 to 192.168.2.25 range in the Modem first on this page »192.168.2.1/dhcpcfg.htm (Start IP Range: 192.168.2.2 -- End IP Range: 192.168.2.25) then using 192.168.2.100 as the Static IP. This assumes the Modem is using 192.168.2.1 as it's IP for the LAN.

All explained here and again it can't be learned in a few moments:

Start Here - A must read, multiple times.

Static IP Address guide

4200 Router Apps Page
»www.portforward.com/english/rout···ndex.htm

4200 Router uTorrent Page
»www.portforward.com/english/rout···rent.htm

Regards,

Doctor Olds
You've now mentioned something that might be useful finally, first my dhcp settings inside the speedstream modem is set to default of 192.168.2.10-254, netmask is the usual 255.255.255.0, and gateway is 192.168.2.1, DNS server has "Use WAN" checked.

Also I already went through the entire guide on portforward.com I used the port forwarding and the port triggering guides neither one worked. I did everything it instructed me and neither worked. I've already read everything on that site explaining what forwarding is and I didn't learn anything new at all.

Olds seriously you're being a robot pasting generic info instead of asking me questions. You're assuming I'm absolutely clueless and never looked at a network before. I'm not an expert but I'm not a first time network user either. I need human guidance here because the generic instructions is not giving the results it's supposed to and since I can't ask a paper or a web document specific questions about my setup, generic help isn't going to work. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165788 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:08:14 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165769 Ghetto_Child : olds I'm already signed up here and right now I don't want to go through the trouble of signing up somewhere else yet again when dslreports has a larger wealth of information covering more topics. I am certain there are many members on here that can help me with what I'm looking for, the problem seems to be none of you understand what I'm asking for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165769 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:03:15 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165758 Ghetto_Child :
said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

I just need someone familiar with networking to help me configure it. Like the firewall settings, I want to custom port traffic but I don't know what I should/should not set.
See you don't understand how it even works. All unsolicited inbound/incoming traffic is blocked and dropped at the WAN by default. That is a basic feature of NAPT.

Test it and you will find no open ports unless you have opened them manually.

GRC - Shields UP!
»https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

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Following the link in your message I ran some of their tests, the site says all my ports are stealthed, when I told it to ping my uTorrent port 32459 it says the port is "closed" and when I tried the messenger spam it had 0 effect. Nothing happened on my PC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165758 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:00:54 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165680 Doctor Olds :
said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

What I've noticed is that if I use 192.168.2.2 I get utorrent port forwarded
Port Forwarding must be done with a Static IP on the LAN with that IP outside the DHCP range. That usually means reducing the DHCP Range down to 192.168.2.2 to 192.168.2.25 range in the Modem first on this page »192.168.2.1/dhcpcfg.htm (Start IP Range: 192.168.2.2 -- End IP Range: 192.168.2.25) then using 192.168.2.100 as the Static IP. This assumes the Modem is using 192.168.2.1 as it's IP for the LAN.

All explained here and again it can't be learned in a few moments:

Start Here - A must read, multiple times.

Static IP Address guide

4200 Router Apps Page
»www.portforward.com/english/rout···ndex.htm

4200 Router uTorrent Page
»www.portforward.com/english/rout···rent.htm

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

I can't ask portforward.com questoins, it's a website not a person.
Au contraire mon frere.

»forum.portforward.com/
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said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

I just need someone familiar with networking to help me configure it. Like the firewall settings, I want to custom port traffic but I don't know what I should/should not set.
See you don't understand how it even works. All unsolicited inbound/incoming traffic is blocked and dropped at the WAN by default. That is a basic feature of NAPT.

Test it and you will find no open ports unless you have opened them manually.

GRC - Shields UP!
»https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

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said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

so no one wants to help me with the 4200 for free?
The reason is your request is not really reasonable. It's like teach me to be a top paid Automotive Technician or teach me to be a top paid Orthopedic Surgeon. It takes time, determination and an initial aptitude before you can even begin. You seem to want the end result and don't want go through the time consuming learning curve. So does everyone else, but learning doesn't work that way.

I suggest you start with reading the User Guide. Google any terms you don't understand.

»Efficient Networks Forum FAQ »Where can I get the User Guide or Quick Start Guide for the 4100/4200 Router?

Read the Networking Forum and its FAQs then Google any things you don't understand.

»Networking

»Networking Forum FAQ

That's a good start. Enjoy!
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There used to be directions for this some place in this forum. Plus you will need to get your hands on the firmware to roll back on.

This is what I recall.

Use search?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165465 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:26:31 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165441 Ghetto_Child : so no one wants to help me with the 4200 for free?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21165441 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:18:56 EDT Re: Speedstream 5200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015650 Ghetto_Child :
said by Thane_Bitter See Profile :

Ok, what is it that you are trying to do?
Other then configuring port forwarding, a time client, or playing around with the firewall, there is precious little else you can adjust on the 5200. As such, that is why most people just use it as in bridge mode and use a router.
That's what I'm trying to do, I already unlocked it correctly and I don't need any "hacking" instructions. What I want to do is configure the port forwarding, firewall rules, time client, and anything useful from the other 30 pages of settings found in the unlocked speedstream 4200, I made a mistake about the model number previously.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21015650 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:35:30 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 5200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952891 Doctor Olds : Also see topic here for reply.

»Requesting a Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 5200]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952891 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:43:52 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Requesting a Tutor to Configure Unlocked Sp http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20937525 anon : Hacking was only possible with cable modems quite a while back. Some people also define hacking modems as using "underground" firmware upgrades.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20937525 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:30:42 EDT Speedstream 5200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20934702 Thane_Bitter :
said by Ghetto_Child See Profile :

Feel free to ask me about how I use my internet and what programs I intend to use.
As others have clearly stated please keep in mind that your connection speed is not determined by your modem, but by the electrical limits of your phone line. If your speed profile is less then optimal due to line conditions, other then praying, there is little that you can do. Conversely, even if the stats where fantastic, there is no mechanism that will allow you to jump into a faster profile (10 & 16) other then by signing up for it.

Ok, what is it that you are trying to do?
Other then configuring port forwarding, a time client, or playing around with the firewall, there is precious little else you can adjust on the 5200. As such, that is why most people just use it as in bridge mode and use a router.
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It's gonna cost you about 70 an hour. What do you want to konw about the 5200 :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932616 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:13:22 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 5200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932556 Ghetto_Child : I'm not necessarily looking to boost the efficiency. I'm really looking for someone to teach me how to manually adjust these settings and to teach me what the settings mean. I want to learn about home network traffic management so I can set everything to fit my needs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932556 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:03:13 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Requesting a Tutor to Configure Unlocked Sp http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932325 marcbase : if you dont find anyone, modem booster is a great tool to boost the efficiency]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932325 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:59:00 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Requesting a Tutor to Configure Unlocked Sp http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931522 Ghetto_Child : well I have access to the hidden pages there's like 30 of them. With all the firewall settings and NAPT, port forwarding rules, etc. I want someone experience with all this to teach me about these settings. I tried setting a few to learn by trial and error but everything I set seems to make my connection worse than when I started.

I tried using the site www.portforward.com but what it said to do is different from what I have in mind and I'm still left not really understanding why the site said to follow the directions it gave. So someone that can teach me it would really help so that I know what I'm doing and why I'd want to change anything at any given time.

I'm not using telnet btw, barely know how to use telnet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931522 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:07:25 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Requesting a Tutor to Configure Unlocked Sp http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931482 grayfox : You can't change your speeds on the client side with dsl.
The speeds are set on bells side. And the discussion of this is illegal.

edit: nevermind didn't notice your other post. Heres a link to the page with the way to change the login for telnet you need to change this if you want to telnet to it to obtain stats. There are other ways to obtain them tho.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931482 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:52:02 EDT Re: [Total Internet] Requesting a Tutor to Configure Unlocked Sp http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931238 Ghetto_Child : um I'm not talking about configure speeds and I'm not talking about hacking modems, I'm talking about configuring the Efficient SpeedStream's settings itself. Perhaps this isn't the correct topic but where should I ask anyway? The firmware inside my dsl modem is the original from bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20931238 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:54:42 EDT [Total Internet] Request Tutor to Configure SpeedStream 4200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20930542 Ghetto_Child : I'm not even sure if this is the right category for this request but I'm looking for someone who can tutor me on all the settings in the unlocked SpeedStream 5200. Reason I'm asking for a tutor is because I'm a networking novice trying to configure my own from scratch. I have a little understanding of terms and port traffic/management, TCP stack tweaking but I don't know what is the best implementation of these settings for my environment.

Having someone direct me would be far faster than just reading details about all these settings and I really don't want to waste time. I want to learn all of this as fast as possible. Feel free to ask me about how I use my internet and what programs I intend to use.

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