Re: Thats Just Depressing. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20932751 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:34:38 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:34:38 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20936788 sporkme :
said by scooby See Profile :

I stand corrected. As of June 26th, 2008 they appear to be a tier 1 network by the book definition. Cogent is definitely not a bad provider, I would just never want to be single homed to them. Cogent is a perfect fit for a second or third provider. Bang for the buck is quite high.
I just stumbled upon that Renesys blog today. I like it quite a bit.

Their other article about Cogent not sucking is really good:

»www.renesys.com/blog/2007/08/cog···on.shtml

At work we recently were dabbling in metro ethernet stuff. I have never, ever had a harder time trying to give people money. ConEd/RCN business, I'm looking right at you. How can you not know if you have f*cking equipment in a building or not????]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20936788 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:33:40 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20936596 scooby :
said by sporkme See Profile :

They don't buy transit anymore:

»www.renesys.com/blog/2008/06/cog···tml#more

In my book, that's Tier-1, marketing BS aside. Yes, they have paid-peering, but that's not transit.
I stand corrected. As of June 26th, 2008 they appear to be a tier 1 network by the book definition. Cogent is definitely not a bad provider, I would just never want to be single homed to them. Cogent is a perfect fit for a second or third provider. Bang for the buck is quite high.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20936596 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:51:28 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20934116 sporkme :
said by scooby See Profile :

said by Ignite See Profile :

said by openbox9 See Profile :

I don't believe they're tier 1.
Believe it or not they certainly are ;)
Cogent buys transit which means they are not tier 1.
They don't buy transit anymore:

»www.renesys.com/blog/2008/06/cog···tml#more

In my book, that's Tier-1, marketing BS aside. Yes, they have paid-peering, but that's not transit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20934116 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:03:14 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933717 hayabusa3303 :
said by Jerm See Profile If you feel differently why don't you go ahead and update it? Thats what a wiki is for after all ;)
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Dont tell him that he will screw it up worst. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933717 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:43:07 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933628 Jerm : cap... no it's you who fail to understand.

Instead of throwing out a "read docs" I'd rather have you read the actual wiki article I linked to.

It does a great job of laying out the whole scenario.

Essentially by strict definition, settlement free peering is required for Tier 1 status. But when it really comes down it to, all ISPs at some point or another pay each other, just it may not be for peering data.

Again, just read that article it lays it out all quite well. If you feel differently why don't you go ahead and update it? Thats what a wiki is for after all ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933628 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:25:31 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933596 anon :
said by Jerm See Profile :

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network

So technically they are one of the 14 ISPs that could be considered tier 1, however because of the free peering settlement issues Cogent has had in the past you could argue Tier 2...
No you fail to understand. See my other post. Skip wikipedia and the read the definition of Tier 1 and tier 2 then find Cogents public documents on the net and read them]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933596 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:19:15 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933588 anon :
said by Ignite See Profile :

said by openbox9 See Profile :

I don't believe they're tier 1.
Believe it or not they certainly are ;)
You are certainly wrong. By definition they are tier 2. There is no debate. look up the definition of tier 1 and tier 2 then read through Cogents public documents you can find on the internet. It's quite obvious]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933588 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:18:01 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933313 scooby :
said by Ignite See Profile :

said by openbox9 See Profile :

I don't believe they're tier 1.
Believe it or not they certainly are ;)
Cogent buys transit which means they are not tier 1.

"A Tier 1 Network is an IP network (typically but not necessarily an Internet Service Provider) which connects to the entire Internet solely via Settlement Free Interconnection, also known as settlement free peering"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933313 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:26:10 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933310 Jerm : »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network

So technically they are one of the 14 ISPs that could be considered tier 1, however because of the free peering settlement issues Cogent has had in the past you could argue Tier 2... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933310 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:25:46 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933080 SLD : Technically, they are tier 2. Sales calls it tier 1, but talk to support and they know they are tier 2.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933080 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:46:47 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933072 SLD : I've had the opposite experience. Latency issues have come about, but because of other, larger transit carriers screwing up Cogent traffic. But Cogent pushed through resolution and amazing customer service. YMMV, and I've only been with them since the beginning of the year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933072 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:45:51 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932751 Ignite :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

I don't believe they're tier 1.
Believe it or not they certainly are ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932751 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:49:09 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932727 openbox9 : I don't believe they're tier 1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932727 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:43:21 EDT Re: Thats Just Depressing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932694 Defiance82 : I had used them back in 2000. Worst ISP ever! Constant network latency issues and worst network I have ever seen. I wouldn't ever think of going back to them.
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