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Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20936491 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:38:38 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:38:38 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940910 bogey780 : I haven't seen a white tie-wrap in a long time. Also I usually double wrap for extra tension across the tie.

You can't dress too well with wax string outside. heh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940910 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:01:38 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940903 Splitpair :

said by battleop

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I've come across some good bell techs but I have come across a lot of bad ones. It seems that older bell techs are the ones that will try and help you. The younger ones are the one's that generally follow the "It's not my job" motto.

Many of the newer ones fall onto the numbers treadmill way too early and fail to realize to slow down and learn is more important than trying to “make it” month to month.

Wayne
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If you cannot fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940903 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:00:12 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940790 Splitpair :

said by st7860

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»www.urbandictionary.com/define.p···rm=union
an association that uses thuggery, hooliganism, bribery and blackmail to get the wage level raised above its true value for lazy workers

Dumbass dictionary!

They left out, monkey-wrenching, slow-downs, walkouts and work by rule.

They also left out in many cases the Union is the only wedge stopping corporate greed from rolling over workers.

Wayne
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If you cannot fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940790 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:39:03 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940746 Splitpair : Wrong CWA = Can't Work After x or as I have been called a Commie With an Attitude.

The problem is a few CLEC techs mostly those who have never been on the Bell side have little knowledge of what it takes to do what seems like an easy job.

There are valid reasons for the teams and while it may seem it takes too many to do the job it is because of their specialized skills.

Then there is quality which by my observation is sadly lacking with some CLEC techs yea they wear a lot of hats but they do a poor job under many of them.

Note the difference in the mounting of the NID by a Union worker and the splitter by less than a Craftsman.

You have to admit even if a super lazy Union guy was to do work like that he would at least use black ty-wraps as his experience (funny word) has taught him those white ones go to heck in a hand basket due to the UV from the sun.

BTW IBEW = I’ve Been Every Where or I’m Broke Every Week. ;-)

Ducking
Wayne
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If you cannot fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940746 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:28:02 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940371 st7860 : »www.urbandictionary.com/define.p···rm=union
an association that uses thuggery, hooliganism, bribery and blackmail to get the wage level raised above its true value for lazy workers ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20940371 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:11:56 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20937211 anon :

said by DSL Tech

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CWA workers that I know work well. They don't "screw" the company over either. But I do know some unions, like the autoworkers are unwilling to give a little, which is hurting the companies they work for. I myself am not part of union, and the company does still offer a very good benefits package that is similar to what the union employees get.

All in all, our union techs are top notch and get the job done. They also try to make the company look good in whatever way they can. This particular deal sounds reasonable, as 3.5% a year is barely keeping up with inflation, but the union understands the sort of financial climate telco's are in.

Now lets see if AT&T will give us anything at all.I am a CWA member in California our contract ends in April of 2009 hope we dont strike.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20937211 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:29:21 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20936491 battleop : I've come across some good bell techs but I have come across a lot of bad ones. It seems that older bell techs are the ones that will try and help you. The younger ones are the one's that generally follow the "It's not my job" motto.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20936491 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:27:45 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20935814 anon :

said by battleop

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If you have ever had to deal with a CWA worker from a Clec or ISP's point of view you will understand their motto.

as a CWA member that's served CLECS in the old Bellsouth area for 8 years I take offense to that statement. I always do my best and treat my customers the way I'd hope to be treated if I were calling in for something.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20935814 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:00:33 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933739 NOCMan : Just like the CWA jerk that put me on hold once while he took his break. When he came back 10-15 minutes later we asked where the hell he had been.

Union Break.

Those of us who work "Exempt" get paid very well for it. If you're dumb enough to not demand fair pay for the hours you know you may end up working then even a Union is not going to help you.

10.5% over three years is not a pay raise. Factor 5% a year for inflation (I consider it 8% cause I do factor in energy and food) and you took a pay cut.

Not sure how fully funded the health care is, but I hope that makes up for it somehow.
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Mac Chatter
»www.macchatter.net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933739 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:47:01 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933683 battleop : So here is more on the story. They send out an engineer who told us where to put the conduit and what specific type of pull string. He told us anything other than the provided brand/size/etc would mean they would not bring the cable in.

So the day they show up they send 4 guys with a bucket truck. One guy to bring it from the pole, one guy to shout orders and two guys to stand there. So they get the cable to the building and start calling to find out where the other crew was. After 45 minutes I ask what they were doing. They said they were waiting on some guys to come pull the cable in. I asked if they mean someone to pull on the pull string from the other side. They said yes. So I asked why couldn't one of the other guys standing around couldn't do that. They said it's not their job to do that.

Even after that it took another guy to terminate the cable in the building, another guy to terminate it at the pole, and another guy to put up the multi mount, and yet another guy to turn up the T1s to this customer. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933683 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:38:06 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933662 DSL Tech : CWA workers that I know work well. They don't "screw" the company over either. But I do know some unions, like the autoworkers are unwilling to give a little, which is hurting the companies they work for. I myself am not part of union, and the company does still offer a very good benefits package that is similar to what the union employees get.

All in all, our union techs are top notch and get the job done. They also try to make the company look good in whatever way they can. This particular deal sounds reasonable, as 3.5% a year is barely keeping up with inflation, but the union understands the sort of financial climate telco's are in. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20933662 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:32:31 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932672 anon : :p Too many cheifs not enough injuns]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932672 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:36:03 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932962 anon : I agree and I work on the other side of the company. The mangement side that already lost all their benefits! The union guys at our company do a very good job and run rings around cable company employees.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932962 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:25:59 EDT Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932524 SteveCon : You know, it's whiners like you that tic me off. You and those like you can *always* do it better, faster, cheaper, blah, blah, blah - the list goes on and on. You're quick to point a finger at "union rules" when "X" doesn't happen to your liking.

They're WORK rules. They are the result of NEGOTIATING company and union desires. In the end, EVERYONE got enough of what they wanted to come to an agreement. What is so terrible about that? Do you prefer to be treated like some mindless drone? Do you trust management emphatically with your health & safety (that worked so well in the past that OSHA and the Department of Labor were created and still exist today - ever wonder why)?. Does management put your ability to provide for your family ahead of its profits and stock price?

Do you actually know what the problem of bringing that cable to the colo was - or are you just union bashing for the hell of it? Maybe you're jealous because these guys have better benes and make more than you? Maybe you have been working 45+ hours a week or Saturdays lately for your regular 40 hour pay - and seeing a work crew sent home by VZ because they didn't want to pay OT rates, angered you. You chose an "exempt" position - we however, did NOT. Do you see me complaining about YOUR employment package?

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. You didn't see those guys when the job they had was to replace cables and poles damaged by natural disaster or accident in blistering heat, freezing cold, over night, etc. You see, the climate controlled data center work doesn't happen everyday for these guys - unlike it does for *YOU*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932524 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:55:04 EDT That's not my job. - CWA Motto http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932292 battleop : If you have ever had to deal with a CWA worker from a Clec or ISP's point of view you will understand their motto.

It took 3 weeks and 4 different crews to bring a 50 pair cable into our building for one of our colo customers. That's after we provided a 3 inch conduit from out side the building to their rack with very few bends and their specified pull string.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20932292 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:47:01 EDT