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howie1
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Re: [Vista] Vista Media Center - DVR-MS vs. WTV

said by Razzy:

I'm curious too.

I record 1080i/720p HD via HDHomerun and Vista MC. Playback looks great on my 65inch DLP! I could not even tell a difference between the DVR-MS playback (or Live TV) and the builtin TV QAM tuner.
Agreed!

said by Octavean:

Its probably anyone’s guess at this point since there is likely no official word on why Microsoft made this change.

My guess is that it specifically has to do with changes made to support specific features in OCUR devices and possibly future support for H.264. It has been speculated that H.264 support is actually present and that only a proper H.264 decoder is necessary to decode H.264 transport streams from the likes of DirectTV.

So in other words the infrastructure may be there for H.264 / DirectTV and all that is needed is the hardware, drivers and decoders.

Some have reported success using the H.264 decoders provided in earlier beta’s of Fiji in the leaked TV Pack.
Thanks for the info, Octavean See Profile!
I'm a bit upset as my favorite DVD Authoring tool, TMPGEnc's DVD Author 3 handles DVR-MS files without issue but not WTV, which it won't even touch.
I'm guessing (and assuming) that they can be converted (WTV), but that would take hours, considering the size of HD files (15-20 megabytes per second).

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Yeah, there are numerous reported bugs in the TV Pack and broken utilities due to the new file format. I haven’t tried the TV Pack but there seem to be a number of concerns with respect to it.

Another thing is that TV Pack seem to encrypt the channel list so an approach like that taken with the HDHomeRun would never work. Granted QAM is now native so channel mapping is no longer needed but there is no need to lock down the system like that. This only stifles innovation by third parties.

Also hacks to increase the number of supported tuners no longer work. This is supposedly hard coded and its enforcement only serves to artificially differentiate value with respect to Vista Ultimate (of dubious value to begin with) and Vista Home Premium.

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Of dubious value to begin with for many not all.



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HD Channels - Pre-TV Pack 2008
I was able to receive some of my Clear QAM HD channels with the HVR-1600 Clear QAM plugin and the older VMC but channels are numbered 1021 (2.1), 1041 (4.1), etc. (see above)...
With TV Pack (and the previously installed plugin), I get almost all of them and they are numbered correctly (i.e. 2.1, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, etc.) but these WTV files are just not acceptable in my case, at least not until I can edit/convert/burn them to the 480p progressive CD format with my preferred utility.
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Octavean
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My guess is that there will be new or patched utilities soon after the originally planned Microsoft CEDIA announcement date. September 3 rd or so was it, I forget?

Although, Media Center Edition PCs have a history of being shipped with editing software compatible with the file format used so I wouldn’t be surprised if OEM systems shipped with something useable for editing WTV files. That will likely translate into patches or new version of such retail software.



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said by Octavean:

My guess is that there will be new or patched utilities soon after the originally planned Microsoft CEDIA announcement date. September 3 rd or so was it, I forget?

Although, Media Center Edition PCs have a history of being shipped with editing software compatible with the file format used so I wouldn’t be surprised if OEM systems shipped with something useable for editing WTV files. That will likely translate into patches or new version of such retail software.
Thanks, I'm hoping that's the case with TMPGEnc DVD Author... I love that software.
Right now, BD is way too expensive but I'm hoping someday in the not-too-far future that home players and BD media are more in line with the current prices of DVD hardware and blank media.
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