Re: I seriously doubt in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20943394 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:53:11 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:53:11 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952671 openbox9 : So you're only talking about a cable company? Some cable companies do distribute business class service over fiber to the CPE. It just depend on the service requirements.

The whole point of this discussion is that the CWA stated "patient monitoring" and "medical records" has justifications for why more bandwidth is required. Most scenarios where those requirements exist already have the capability to add capacity to their network connections relatively easily. Even with a residence as a recovery room (yikes, not for me!), monitoring equipment simply doesn't require that much bandwidth. You'd be transmitting relatively small amounts of data for the medical readings....heart rate, blood pressure, temperature, glucose levels, etc.

My mind is very open, I just expect the CWA to make valid arguments when they're attempting to push their agenda. They have failed in this case.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952671 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:47:31 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952530 wentlanc : There is NO difference in the network drop used when you compare between residential service and business class service from a cable company.

Again, I'm not talking about the internals of a medical WAN. I'm talking about the potential for someone to use their residence as a recovery room instead. Just because it's not done today, does not mean that it could not be done tomorrow. Open your mind some please.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952530 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:12:49 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20951329 openbox9 : It's not the same network drop. There are huge differences between RG-6 or RG-11 coax from a cableco, 4 or 6-wire copper, and fiber for DS-x or OC-x circuits and the capabilities that each are capable of providing. As for health monitoring from home, I can't imagine any of the equipment that would be available/affordable in the home are capable of producing large data sizes. We aren't talking about CT or MRI scanners.

The CWA shouldn't have used medical discussion points to boast their argument.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20951329 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:08:22 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20951039 wentlanc : If the account is at the same location, then it does not matter if the service is residential or business. It's the same network drop. What if you were an ill person who needed monitoring, but it was available from your home instead of a hospital. What about security monitoring. Home care for the elderly.

Business versus Residential is a matter of service, not speed OR usage. Granted, you should not use a residential line to run your business internet access. That is that the business class of service was designed for.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20951039 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:14:22 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20947247 openbox9 : If you'll look at the chain of this thread, I'm commenting on the CWA's choice to highlight medical records and patient monitoring as "needs" for significant broadband overhaul. Hospitals, clinics, and other medical institutions should already be using business class service which is relatively easily upgraded as demand warrants. Nowhere have I said anything about VoD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20947247 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:05:07 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20946272 SilverSurfer :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

And once again, those needs are relatively easily accommodated with business class services.
So a residential account should be a business account if you want VOD? Sure. In an alternate universe, maybe, but meanwhile back in reality where the majority of Internet subscribers live, it ain't happening.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20946272 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:49:25 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945320 anon : Canada also has speed throttling and traffic shaping. Canada snubbed their nose at net neutrality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945320 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:16:18 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944574 openbox9 : And once again, those needs are relatively easily accommodated with business class services. If hospitals or clinics require more bandwidth to push around hi-res, it's time to upgrade their DS-x or OC-x circuits. My point still stands, the union could have used more relevant examples to benefit their cause.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944574 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:42:14 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944522 SilverSurfer :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

That's not the whole point. Using patient monitoring and transmission of medical records to justify bigger pipes is not a sound way of making their point. Those practices typically occur within medical facilities that have access to business class services.
It certainly is - medical records are but a single facet of the ever growing need to accomodate more bandwidth for VOD services. Clearly you haven't been paying much attention to contemporary Internet trends. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944522 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:33:26 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944453 anon : It appears some of our ISPs hope to be on the forefront of low caps while not providing anywhere near the speed of the carriers you mentioned in other countries.

Take Frontier for example.
»Frontier Imposes 5 GB Cap For DSL ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944453 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:20:57 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944425 tiger72 : youtube only started up in 2006, when broadband became popular in the United States. In other words, thanks to broadband, youtube was able to change how we consume video on the internet.

With further broadband development, we can only see an increase in innovation. The history of the internet is full of bandwidth-based innovation. The web itself only grew popular after the advent of 14.4k and then 28.8k modems. Streaming video begun its infancy at 33.6 and 56k modems. Napster and Kazaa would never have flourished were it not for DSL and Cable, and without broadband iTunes would never have been able to exist as a business model. Without broadband, you wouldn't have internet gaming, and xbox live would never have existed. Internet video rental services like XBL's and netflix streaming video wouldn't be here were it not for internetwork development.

As bandwidth increases, applications come up to use that bandwidth, and then bandwidth needs are increased again. Eventually there will be a limit, but 480kbps up and 2mbps down isn't it.
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said by tschmidt See Profile :

Do you thing You Tube, et al would have happened if we were all still using dialup?
Yet somehow YouTube was able to become as popular as it has today. Seems like the chicken and the egg situation is working ok.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944184 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:35:40 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943758 tschmidt :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

I doubt that residential ISP connections (where a majority of the data most likely comes from) are used for patient monitoring or transmission of large medical records.
That is the whole point.

Applications are not going to be deployed that need substantial bandwidth until a high enough percentage of the population has access to that capability.

This is a classic chicken and egg situation. Providers are able to claim (with some justification) there are no application that demand higher bandwidth. However once that bandwidth is made available you will see all sorts of novel applications being developed and deployed.

Do you thing You Tube, et al would have happened if we were all still using dialup?

/tom ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943758 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:27:33 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943748 jc100 : I would hope they would do so encrypted. Also, I would imagine the hospitals they work for would have fiber. Then again, if they are TRULY remote and like a field doctor, they would have to rely on what's available. Still, I think MOST palces, MAYBE Alaska aside, would have adequate medical facilities within a 20 or 30 mile drive. Therefore, this might be a far stretch but it isn't implausible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943748 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:25:01 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943569 tiger72 : Local physicians in remote areas who need assistance would likely transfer large medical files to specialists and hospitals far away. Real-time patient monitoring requires a high throughput also. Think remote Montana, Wyoming, Maine, Alaska, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943569 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:46:05 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943527 openbox9 : So people will be transmitting large medical files from their residences?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943527 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:38:09 EDT Re: I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943394 tiger72 : in remote parts of the United States (the areas without ANY, or with very slow broadband) this would be a likelihood.

Also, there's the issue of caps that some of the above nations (Canada) has...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943394 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:12:34 EDT I seriously doubt http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943379 openbox9 : I doubt that residential ISP connections (where a majority of the data most likely comes from) are used for patient monitoring or transmission of large medical records.

The median upload speed from the speedmatters.org test was just 435 kilobits per second (kbps), far too slow for patient monitoring or to transmit large files such as medical records.
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