Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? in Verizon FIOS TV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20944349 en Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:46:45 EDT Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:46:45 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20973150 lets456 :
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said by cadillacluvr See Profile :

I solved the green line issue by changing my dvr's hdmi color settings. It defaults to yCCC in the setup menu, but change it to RGB and the green line goes away.
On my set I do this and I get the "beveled" (vertically shifted) pixels on the left side of the screen (this is on a Sharp not a Samsung, but I don't think the green line / bevel is unique to Sammies - only common to 1080P panels as I get the green line as well).
Just saw this....see my post directly above. I had the same oddity!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20973150 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:30:15 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20973145 lets456 :
said by cadillacluvr See Profile :

the hdmi color settings are in the hidden menu which you access by pressing power, select, menu with the box on first. you should get a white and black configuration menu and go to additional hdmi settings. In this menu, change the color space to RGB.

Hope it works for you!
Did what you said and it worked....well kind of. "Just Scan" did not fill the entire screen....when I shifted it there was a 1/4" black pillar bar on each side on all channels. Also a very weird oddity. On the left side there is what appears to be a "clear" beveled edge about 1 inch wide. The only way to describe this,is it's similar to a beveled edge in a photo that's been modified in "photo shop".The bevel is blurry but see through. Needless to say, I went back to the default setting and "16x9".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20973145 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:29:01 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20972944 aaronwt :
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said by aaronwt See Profile :

I don't even use the FIOS HD STB except for VOD. I can see it from the HDTiVios and the TVs QAM tuner.
Glad you're flush enough to have multiple $300 boxes each with an additional monthly subscription fee and 2 cable cards :D
I'd rather have those(three Series 3 and one TiVoHD on FIOS) and pay for 8 cable cards from FIOS than if FIOS even gave me their boxes for free. The TiVOs are much much better and worth it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20972944 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:33:49 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20971225 keyboards :
said by aaronwt See Profile :

I don't even use the FIOS HD STB except for VOD. I can see it from the HDTiVios and the TVs QAM tuner.
Glad you're flush enough to have multiple $300 boxes each with an additional monthly subscription fee and 2 cable cards :D
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said by darcilicious See Profile :

said by bozer :

Yeah..

So basically its not FioS's fault guys. Its a problem with the source not being able to output enough data for Just Scan. At least thats what I think judging by people on various forums seeing this same issue with all different types of hardware.
Except you're missing the point that it worked fine (e.g. this problem did NOT exist) for Vz customers until the 1.5 version of the IMG was released...
I don't even use the FIOS HD STB except for VOD. I can see it from the HDTiVios and the TVs QAM tuner.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969794 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:20:04 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969722 cadillacluvr : yea, the bevel isn't perfect. here's hoping the next img release will fix that. i should get mine tonight or tomorrow and we'll see.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969722 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:04:26 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969705 keyboards :
said by cadillacluvr See Profile :

in regards to PQ, i don't know if it's just me, but I think things look a little better in RGB mode.

As for the beveled edge, I do get that sometimes. Between the two though, I'd rather deal with the bevel than green lines around my picture.
Agree on both counts. RGB works better for me for contrast range. The "bevel" is a pain when watching some sporting events and the peripheral lines become discontinuous :(
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As for the beveled edge, I do get that sometimes. Between the two though, I'd rather deal with the bevel than green lines around my picture.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969630 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:49:01 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969537 keyboards :
said by cadillacluvr See Profile :

I solved the green line issue by changing my dvr's hdmi color settings. It defaults to yCCC in the setup menu, but change it to RGB and the green line goes away.
On my set I do this and I get the "beveled" (vertically shifted) pixels on the left side of the screen (this is on a Sharp not a Samsung, but I don't think the green line / bevel is unique to Sammies - only common to 1080P panels as I get the green line as well).
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said by cadillacluvr See Profile :

the hdmi color settings are in the hidden menu which you access by pressing power, select, menu with the box on first. you should get a white and black configuration menu and go to additional hdmi settings. In this menu, change the color space to RGB.

Hope it works for you!
I have seen that in the hidden menu and was curious as to it's function. I'll try that and report back...good find and thanks!!!

BTW, does switching the "color space" make any difference in the PQ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20969094 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:24:36 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968911 cadillacluvr : the hdmi color settings are in the hidden menu which you access by pressing power, select, menu with the box on first. you should get a white and black configuration menu and go to additional hdmi settings. In this menu, change the color space to RGB.

Hope it works for you! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968911 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:43:28 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968507 lets456 :
said by cadillacluvr See Profile :

I solved the green line issue by changing my dvr's hdmi color settings. It defaults to yCCC in the setup menu, but change it to RGB and the green line goes away.

I have a Samsung LNT4681 and this worked.
Where in the setup menu is this? is it in the hidden menu or the menu that is accessible via the remote?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968507 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:28:10 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968501 lets456 :
said by pm3443 :

I have a samsung 750 series and it works just fine. HD is mm.mmm..mmmm.
On "just scan" or "16x9"? Mine (A650) is fine on "16x9" but "just scan" has the green line going up the side. I would prefer to use "just scan" because, for some reason, seems to introduce fewer artifacts....not by much, but to my picky eye I notice a bit of a difference.

Also, you are using HDMI correct?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968501 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:26:56 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968403 cadillacluvr : I solved the green line issue by changing my dvr's hdmi color settings. It defaults to yCCC in the setup menu, but change it to RGB and the green line goes away.

I have a Samsung LNT4681 and this worked. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968403 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:09:06 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20963532 vz tech 2 : Great answer, hdmi problems did not just start with Fios people including myself just need to read more.

Hdmi(hdcp) has always been a tricky protocal from the onset, it was not designed the way it should have been, and though it does in most cases it can simplify an install, make audio sound better and in some cases enhance picture quality it can and still does create a pain in the arse for some tv's and settop boxes.

I have direct tv and though no green line I do have handshake issues on occasion with my xbr and westinghouse, which needs a kick in the arse on occasion.

Maybe this new fangled hdmi cord can help atleast in the determination of which component is at fault, »www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···=1056687]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20963532 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:37:51 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20961587 barje : I have tried both and HDMI is superior in sound and picture quality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20961587 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:00:36 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20961544 kyler13 :
said by WSAldenIV :

HMDI is pure digital and component is not. The image quality is probably the same to most people, but not to some, myself included. Plus, I don't need separate audio cables to use HDMI. Lastly, I notice an improvement in the audio clarity with HDMI over stereo.

The "use component cables" answer isn't a solution to the problem, it's an excuse for Verizon to drag their feet with the fix.
The problem isn't Verizon, it's HDMI in general. In concept, it's a great idea (pure digital signal) but in practice, the implementation of the standard has been nothing but a mess. Do your homework on HDMI and you'll find it has a laundry list of problems. That's why you still find true AV pros steering people towards component. Why? It just works. HDMI problems aren't limited to Verizon or Motorola.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20961544 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:49:41 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20960624 anon : HMDI is pure digital and component is not. The image quality is probably the same to most people, but not to some, myself included. Plus, I don't need separate audio cables to use HDMI. Lastly, I notice an improvement in the audio clarity with HDMI over stereo.

The "use component cables" answer isn't a solution to the problem, it's an excuse for Verizon to drag their feet with the fix.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20960624 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:35:37 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957663 FiosSean : Using component cables will fix this issue and you will not lose any quality in picture whatsoever. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957663 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:33:58 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957541 anon : I have a samsung 750 series and it works just fine. HD is mm.mmm..mmmm.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957541 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:10:14 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20951777 keyboards :
said by bozer :

Not sure if its something that will ever be fixed considering how poor the rules are in terms of distributing HD signals. Another issue is that I'm willing to bet there is a very small minority of people that even know what Just Scan is.

Just my 2 cents
Like I said before, supposed to be fixed in the 1.6 IMG update that is in the process of being rolled out to all VHOs (by the end of September). It is a fault in the FIOS 1080i HDMI driver - doesn't happen with component in any scan mode.

Also, Just Scan is a unique mode name for Sammies, no such mode on my Sharp. Stretch, Dot-by-Dot, Smart stretch, and Zoom are my only choices. If I use Smart Stretch on a 1080i signal then i get about a 5% to 10% over-scan and the line is no longer visible, but I lose part of the image! Only band-aid for now that doesn't cause pixel loss is component, and that is a compromise since I am taking an digital signal (from FIOS) converting it to analog (component) and then my TV is converting it back to digital. Since no converters are perfect there are at least 2 chances for errors / degradation to be introduced.
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I mentioned this over on the AVS forum, and everyone says that it is the source that's the problem. So I guess in a way, it is FiOS Tv's fault, but at the same time a lot of other pieces of hardware are having the same problem.

Not sure if its something that will ever be fixed considering how poor the rules are in terms of distributing HD signals. Another issue is that I'm willing to bet there is a very small minority of people that even know what Just Scan is.

Just my 2 cents]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20951297 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:02:33 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20951023 keyboards :
said by darcilicious See Profile :

Except you're missing the point that it worked fine (e.g. this problem did NOT exist) for Vz customers until the 1.5 version of the IMG was released...
Thanks for the backup Darci - and it's NOT just Samsungs' so the "Just Scan" mode is not appropriate to all with the issue!
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said by bozer :

Yeah..

So basically its not FioS's fault guys. Its a problem with the source not being able to output enough data for Just Scan. At least thats what I think judging by people on various forums seeing this same issue with all different types of hardware.
Except you're missing the point that it worked fine (e.g. this problem did NOT exist) for Vz customers until the 1.5 version of the IMG was released...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20951009 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:09:20 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20950993 anon : Yeah..

So basically its not FioS's fault guys. Its a problem with the source not being able to output enough data for Just Scan. At least thats what I think judging by people on various forums seeing this same issue with all different types of hardware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20950993 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:07:13 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20950504 aaronwt :
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said by bozer :

I believe the green line issue has nothing to do with FiOS to be honest. Its a known problem with the Samsungs.

Actually, it has EVERYTHING to do with FIOS. It is a fault in Verizon's HDMI driver that was introduced with version 1.5 of the IMG - it was never there with the original IPG. It happens on my Sharp 52" and many other brands. It is supposed to be fixed in the update (V1.6) that is going out in stages now.
Sometimes I see this on my Toshiba or two Samsungs, through my TiVos. This will also happen from Comcast. If I see it on FIOS, I can switch to the channel on Comcast and see the same thing.
I also saw this occasionally when I had a Westinghouse, HP, and Olevia set.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20950504 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:35:05 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20950044 darcilicious : I'm not 100% positive but isn't one work around to use component cables instead of HDMI?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20950044 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:01:24 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20949504 anon : I have the Samsung FP-T5084 50" Plasma.

If you check the AVS forums, pretty much everyone with this set has the green line issue when using Just Scan. It only happens with certain feeds though. Happens with FiOs TV, happens with some video games. It seems to be dependent on source. For instance, I don't get it when watching Blu Ray movies.

If someone is getting it on a Sony as well, perhaps their set has the same problem mine does while using just scan.

I don't really see a difference between just scan and 16x9 anyway so it doesn't bother me too much. I believe the firmware upgrade that fixed it for one poster was probably a Samsung firmware upgrade. Until your set gets the upgrade from the manufacturer you're probably going to always have it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20949504 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:19:48 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20949192 lets456 :
said by TrickyTrack :

But the man says he's having same issue with PS3 & 360...
I don't what model # he has, but I do not have that problem with the Wii or HD Dvd on "just scan"....only the FIOS box.

I did not have this problem with my Toshiba and the Fios Moto box....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20949192 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:20:30 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20949134 anon : But the man says he's having same issue with PS3 & 360... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20949134 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:06:14 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20948895 keyboards :
said by bozer :

I believe the green line issue has nothing to do with FiOS to be honest. Its a known problem with the Samsungs.

Actually, it has EVERYTHING to do with FIOS. It is a fault in Verizon's HDMI driver that was introduced with version 1.5 of the IMG - it was never there with the original IPG. It happens on my Sharp 52" and many other brands. It is supposed to be fixed in the update (V1.6) that is going out in stages now.
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No issues with Sammy LCD or PN42A450 Plasma. The Plasma supports 480i/480p de-interlacing thru HDMI w/o "not supported error," unlike the LCD, which the HD DVR STB has to be accessed via the Menu-Select option. Sometimes, the DVR changes the settings by itself. No green lines here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20948774 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:26:40 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20947433 Teasip : It is more than just Samsung's. My Sony 40" XBR LCD also has the green vertical line on the right side of the screen if the HD DVR is set to 1080i.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20947433 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:44:25 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20946209 Lee GWB : Hi
I have the LNT3242 and after a firmware upgrade last summer my issue was resolved.
Thx
Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20946209 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:36:41 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20946084 anon : I believe the green line issue has nothing to do with FiOS to be honest. Its a known problem with the Samsungs. Very annoying and I wish they would fix it for free with some sort of firmware update. I had the green line using Just Scan with Time warner as well as with some video games.

Best (and only) solution for now is just using 16X9. Some sources you won't see the green line (some blu ray movies on my PS3, some games on my 360). I think its a problem with the image not filling the full resolution or something.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20946084 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:09:35 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20946045 lets456 :
said by Slayerfan :

I have a Samsung LNT-4661 and still have the green line when the DVR box is set to 1080i and use "Just Scan" mode. That is the only issue I have. I have my DVR box set to 720p now so I don't see it, but hope they fix the green line issue soon because I think my set looked better when the feed was 1080i.
I have my Sammy set to "16x9" and no green line. Looks great!!! I assume you tried that?

Box set to 1080I and 4:3 stretch.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20946045 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:01:42 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945998 anon : I have a Samsung LNT-4661 and still have the green line when the DVR box is set to 1080i and use "Just Scan" mode. That is the only issue I have. I have my DVR box set to 720p now so I don't see it, but hope they fix the green line issue soon because I think my set looked better when the feed was 1080i.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945998 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:54:26 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945011 curls310 : I have a Sammy 52-750 without any issues. FIOS looks great on it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20945011 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:57:21 EDT Re: Are the Samsung LCD / FIOS TV issues resolved yet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944590 Drunkula : Not certain about fixed. I can say that I haven't had my HDMI connection tell me "unsupported mode" in some time. That doesn't mean it is fixed, though. That problem pops up when you least expect it.
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I have a Samsung LNT3242H, which I would use for my FIOS tv. I've read horror stories about Samsung tv's and FIOS tv....

Are these issues still going on, and is it specific Samsung tv models?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20944349 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:00:22 EDT