bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK | Just fire the striking employees.
Hire new ones for less money. Train them. And let's get on with business.
Maybe AT&T should go ahead and by Qwest. |
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megatron266
Premium
join:2007-08-11
Miami, FL
 ·AT&T Southeast
| It's really not that simple. They would lose experienced workers that could spot issues and resolve them without haveing to look at a manual. Training new techs is more than just teaching them how to pole climb or splice wires or whatever job that could be thought of being simple. As customers we should want quality in the work being done.
I also see the flip side. Something has to give. The workers need to see if it is worth going on strike for and how long can they go on the strikers assistance fund without having to cross the line. Always remember the company has more financial resources than a declining Union membership base. I would know since I was a CWA Area VP not too long ago till I decided to move to a non-representative department.
Paying high premiums is not all that uncommon especially if you have a family. Cut back on the unnecessary spending and maybe you could afford the high premiums. Just a thought. |
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NewMariner
join:2005-06-24
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said by bjbrock  :Maybe AT&T should go ahead and by Qwest. Verizon or Att should buy Qwest. For the sake of the workers. Qwest's territory is the least dense population wise. Thus Qwest makes less money per line then Verizon or Att. However, if either company tried to buy Qwest it wouldnt go through as it would be deemed a monopoly. However, competition has come about with cable bleeding the telcos for customers, and cell phones, and voip. Companies need to get bigger to effectively compete. This is definately true in Qwest's case. They need fresh money into their territory.
I hope one of the other phone companies will be allowed to purchased them before the Government and effectively everyone who pays taxes, bails them out.. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
1 edit | The cable co's should start buying their areas.
if an ILEC can buy a cable company i don't see why Cable can't buy an ILEC. |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
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They would not be considered a monopoly, verizon , At&T do not cross each others territorial lines.
Your hopes will never happen anyway, Verizon has sold off less profitable areas in the past. I highly doubt they want quest. Considering they make better choices than AT&T, I doubt they would bail them out also. |
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NewMariner
join:2005-06-24
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said by hottboiinnc :The cable co's should start buying their areas. if an ILEC can buy a cable company i don't see why Cable can't buy an ILEC. You need to study your history a bit. No Ilec has ever bought a cable company. Yes AT&T did buy TCI, however AT&T was not an ILEC as they did not provide local service at the time.
Why on earth would a cableco buy a phone company? The networks wouldnt be compatible. If your objective would be to sink the cableco then that would definately do the trick |
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NewMariner
join:2005-06-24
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said by ITALIAN926 :They would not be considered a monopoly, verizon , At&T do not cross each others territorial lines. Your hopes will never happen anyway, Verizon has sold off less profitable areas in the past. I highly doubt they want quest. Considering they make better choices than AT&T, I doubt they would bail them out also. You obviously fail to understand how the government regulates the phone companies. Most certainly if Att or Verizon tried to purchase Qwest, monopoly flags would be raised....Especially now that SBC bought ATT, then right afterwards bought Bellsouth. Theres no question that they would raise flags.
ATT is done buying phone companies for now. They couldnt get approval now for another buyout if they gave the committees everything they owned.. |
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Seadone1
@bellsouth.net
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First off, learn to spell...it's "buy" and not by. And second of all, the solution is NOT to fire quality and skilled employees. Trust me, the answer is not using contractors or cheaper labor Einstein! DO NOT BLAME union employees for upper level management's poor decisions. How are they expected to survive without wireless revenue? For all of you Qwest employees, just hope you get bought out by Verizon and not AT&T. Obviously, Verizon treats their employees far better than AT&T and they do not use contractors to work on their FIOS. FIOS has succeeded for two reasons:1-FIOS is fiber to the NID and not fiber and copper like AT&T's cheap U-verse (better yet Re-verse). 2-FIOS installations and repairs are performed by skilled, quality union employees. They do it ALL-including equipment installations! Unfortunately, Re-verse is being done by non-union employees in the former BellSouth nine state region. In the former SBC region they found a loophole in the contract to implement the premise technician. The premise tech is a lesser paid employee who is hired to work from the NID to the inside. Ah yes, another ingenious idea. Why not send two employees to do an installation? Better yet, imagine a repair? Multiple visits have got to be cost effective especially since gasoline has dropped in price. This is not out of AT&T's character because they are doing the same for ADSL installations and repairs. TRUST ME, AT&T is extremely contractor friendly, even if former BellSouth "legacy" techs have to go behind them and do it right. Nothing like an Eco-Comp BITCH! Oh sorry, I forgot...south florida's own premise tech, hamburger-flipping Rick Campos led bitches! Take all your cheap labor and go elope! Like the old saying goes, you get what you pay for! AT&T does not care about their customers at all! It's no wonder AT&T is losing customers to cable. At one time, we did suck less than Comcast(Comcrap). Today? Who knows.... |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
 ·Cox VOIP
·Skype
 ·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southeast
·magicjack.com
| said by Seadone1 :
AT&T does not care about their customers at all! It's no wonder AT&T is losing customers to cable. At one time, we did suck less than Comcast(Comcrap). Today? Who knows....
I agree with that 100%. I dumped AT&T about 8 months ago.
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK | reply to Seadone1
Firing them is just as good an action as their threat to strike.
Oh, and by the way, Florida should be capitalized. Maybe you need a spelling lesson as well. |
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no_one
@QWEST.NET
| said by bjbrock :Firing them is just as good an action as their threat to strike. Oh, and by the way, Florida should be capitalized. Maybe you need a spelling lesson as well. Maybe you should take what amount to a big pay cut to help out whoever you work for. |
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VerizonCynic
join:2006-10-25
Lakewood, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Seadone1
said by Seadone1 :
Obviously, Verizon treats their employees far better than AT&T and they do not use contractors to work on their FIOS.
Uh yeah....where do you get your facts..FIOS installation contractors all over the place here in GTE/VZ land
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Seadone1
@bellsouth.net
| I was unaware of that in California. The information I had was from the Verizon techs in the Northeastern U.S. I have a question-do you have overtime? The reason I ask is because here in South Florida we have had our inside DSL work go to contractors-the bulk of it-and we are going behind them cleaning up whatever they do not do correctly.
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Seadone1
@bellsouth.net
| reply to bjbrock
Sorry my bad-did not come up on the spell check.
Down here in South Florida we have a bunch of "premise techs" working for $13/hour with limited benefits, being forced until 8pm Monday through Friday AND being forced on Saturdays. Since the Re-verse launch that began on 7/21,3 techs have already quit. By the way, even with all that overtime they still don't make what we Service techs make with NO overtime. Trust me, you do not want AT&T to buy Qwest. AT&T are union busting, contractor-loving money hogs. They will get theirs in the end. |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| reply to no_one
I'm sure your plight is not a good one. And I truly hope you get what you are asking for. But striking is not the way to obtain that. My company has offices in New Mexico and they use Qwest for their broadband. Your strike will possibly make it hard on the people that work in those offices. Is that what you want? Others to suffer as well? |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926 :They would not be considered a monopoly, verizon , At&T do not cross each others territorial lines. Maybe you have not heard about this new FIOS thing. Verizon happily overbuilds AT&T areas where the cities ask to ensure services to their citizens across the footprint. AT&T can go pound sand. |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
1 edit | reply to NewMariner
Dude, obviosuly you are the one who fails to understand...
If NYNEX can merge with Bell Atlantic... if Bell Atlantic can merge with GTE, if SBC can buy AT&T ..If AT&T can buy Bell South... ANYONE CAN MERGE WITH TINY QUEST.
But they wont bc its not profitable. |
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VerizonCynic
join:2006-10-25
Lakewood, CA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Seadone1
I dont know if they have OT. Likely not as most contractors do not. Problem is there is just not enough manpower to cover CA/exGTE with just VZ emp. I just with they would take all the DSL and wire line people and get the damn fios in already. They are in my city now.
Also union with GTE/VZ no as strong as in other states.
On another note VZ is not unusual with respect to contractors. I just had the power pole replaced in my yard and this firm »www.henkels.com did the work for sce.com. looks like they do phone too not just power. The Henkels guy said that SCE is 10 yrs behind on replacing 50 yr old rotted power poles. cool. this the use of contractors to catch up. Oh and the Henkels guys did great work under tough conditions
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ihope
@swbell.net
| reply to megatron266
said by megatron266 :It's really not that simple. They would lose experienced workers that could spot issues and resolve them without haveing to look at a manual... maybe it is that simple. the biggest problem with the union is the guaranteed raises based on how long the worker has been in the job. nothing regarding skill, or efficiency, or how hard or how well they work. one guy closing 12 jobs in a day gets the same raise as the guy closing 2. fire those with longest history that strike, the 20+ years crowd, and replace with new off the street, it might fix a lot of problems. |
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to bjbrock
said by bjbrock :Firing them is just as good an action as their threat to strike. We're not talking about unskilled factory workers who spend all day screwing Nut A onto Bolt B. If you think a strike would be disrutive (and it would be), it would be nothing compared to what would happen if they tried to replace techs with 20+ years experience with people off the street. |
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