semotus
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Re: Stop ads by using ad blockers
Since the subject came up....
I was surprised to learn that data collected from set top boxes about customer viewing habits are being matched up to what you buy at the store when using these membership cards.
»www.npr.org/templates/story/stor···92442904
Its been shown over and over and over that these cards save the consumer absolutely nothing. Yet people continue to use them anyway, go figure.
I couldn't find the article right off hand but, there was an article some time ago about how insurance companies were one of the best customers of shopper data collected with these cards. Buying cigs? Beer? Fatty foods? You may be a financial risk to their bottom line. |
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rmdir
join:2003-03-13
Chicago, IL | reply to robl27
NoScript does. |
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pog
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Kihei, HI
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said by BF69  :So I should spend money on bandwidth and hosting and other thigns just so you can surf for free? See the whole point is that if you are going to COST me money I don't want yo on my site in the first place. ... Just because you invest time or money in something doesn't automatically make it worth anything to anyone else.
Besides... hosting is so cheap these days, I have to wonder exactly what you're serving that you are worried about any of this. I mean, I pay roughly $6/month for up to 100GB of bandwidth, 10GB of space... and this is not a very liberal host by some standards!
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Kearnstd
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| reply to en102
said by en102 :I get info from VONS/Raplhs/Sams Club/CostCo, etc. Beyond the 'conspiracy theory' part, the data may not all be used at directing junk to you. I have seen the typical credit card/refinance, etc marketing directed at me, including listing the cost I paid for my house. Typically, club card data mining is used within to find out demographics, who buys what, and more general trend analysis. Bean counters pay good for this kind of info. club card mining is how you get pepsi coupons from that printer when you always buy coke. what i learned though from working in retail food is atleast on that front you are just a number.
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en102
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I get info from VONS/Raplhs/Sams Club/CostCo, etc.
Beyond the 'conspiracy theory' part, the data may not all be used at directing junk to you.
I have seen the typical credit card/refinance, etc marketing directed at me, including listing the cost I paid for my house.
Typically, club card data mining is used within to find out demographics, who buys what, and more general trend analysis. Bean counters pay good for this kind of info.
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Dryv1yne
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said by jarthur31 :BS! The Internet was supposed to be an information resource not a giant flea market. Key phrase there "supposed to be"... until commercialization raped and pillaged it. |
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robl27
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please note: the free firefox blockers do NOT block flash ads. I've tested it several times and still see them
ad muncher works great.
it's a small price to pay for keeping sanity on your computer.
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jarthur31
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Carlsbad, NM | reply to BF69
BS! The Internet was supposed to be an information resource not a giant flea market.
If you can't provide a website free, then by all means don't do it. And don't piss off the viewing public by loading crapware. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to TKJunkMail
the anti-ad people have so much fuel for their fires as well. the ads on so many websites arent just simple unobtrusive text ads, they are Shockwave driven bright flashing ads that make noise and many times even interfer with using the back button. i compair the current age of web ads to someone making it so TV ads can follow you into the Bathroom. i dont mind the google powered text ads but i hate anything that flashes and makes noise.
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81399672
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| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :said by TKJunkMail :Stop all ads - targeted or not. For Firefox: » adblockplus.org/en/For IE7: » www.ie7pro.com/And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google. Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was. First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data. As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free. Your site will die very fast if your make it pay only. Information generally on the internet is free, so while it's your prerogative, you will find that most if not all people will simple move on to another website. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to TKJunkMail
so tell me BF59, do you consider popup blocking to be strike against webmasters too? because every browser does it nowdays.
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC
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| reply to en102
said by en102 :Those club cards are basically tied to data mining corps, where your information is tracked/sold, and you end up with spam. Not to get off the subject, but I've been using a VIC card for 10+ years and I've yet to get spammed or mass emailed because of it. I'm starting to think this is just a conspiracy theory. Has anyone ever done any research on it? |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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| reply to TKJunkMail
I agree on that... anyone that has a decent sized web server running is probably reselling their log data.. Data mining isn't just on the Internet either.
Go to your local grocery store - how many have over inflated prices, only to lower them with 'club cards'. Those club cards are basically tied to data mining corps, where your information is tracked/sold, and you end up with spam.
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TKJunkMail
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| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :let me ask you a question. Your boss says he now expects you to work for FREE. Do you? I'm retired. I am my own boss managing my investments. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :said by TKJunkMail :Stop all ads - targeted or not. For Firefox: » adblockplus.org/en/For IE7: » www.ie7pro.com/And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google. Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was. First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data. As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free. Your pro corporation drivel is a spitting image of the guy trying to block FF users from viewing his site.
»slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/0···from=rss
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to SillyRabbit
said by SillyRabbit :said by BF69 :said by TKJunkMail :Stop all ads - targeted or not. For Firefox: » adblockplus.org/en/For IE7: » www.ie7pro.com/And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google. Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was. First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data. As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free. You want me to come to your site for a reason, so YOU pay to try and get ME to come there. I call BS on you, Sir/Maam Are you stupid? Seriously. Your post prove you have ZERO clue to how the intenet works. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :said by BF69 :said by TKJunkMail :Stop all ads - targeted or not. For Firefox: » adblockplus.org/en/For IE7: » www.ie7pro.com/And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google. Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was. First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data. As far as ad blockers, you do realize the reason why you can surf MILLIONS of sites for FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads, sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my time, work and money building a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free. Of course, you can start charging for your site. That is your prerogative. But would anyone pay for it? That is why most sites are still free - no one would pay a nickel to go to them if they charged. Maybe the web needs a lot less sites if people won't pay to go to them. So I should spend money on bandwidth and hosting and other thigns just so you can surf for free? See the whole point is that if you are going to COST me money I don't want yo on my site in the first place.
Your logic is like telling McDonald's if they don't give you free food you won't eat there. So what. Your eating for FREE costs them money so they don't need you anyways. I hate to burst your bubble but 99% of what's on the internet is there to MAKE MONEY.
I'd rather have 1000 visitors a month paying me $30 a year than 1 million leaching my bandwidth and using adblockers.
let me ask you a question. Your boss says he now expects you to work for FREE. Do you? |
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amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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Hey TK, I don't WANT your money! Nor do many other people who wish for their sites to be free in the first place.
If you offered me money out of the kindness of your heart, just because you wanted to show your support, or because you liked the site(s), or because you felt like being nice, guess what? I still wouldn't want it. Now, if you bought something I was selling, sure, have at it; give me all the money you want in that case. Buy one for your friends... |
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SillyRabbit
@tds.net
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said by BF69 :said by TKJunkMail :Stop all ads - targeted or not. For Firefox: » adblockplus.org/en/For IE7: » www.ie7pro.com/And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google. Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was. First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data. As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free. You want me to come to your site for a reason, so YOU pay to try and get ME to come there. I call BS on you, Sir/Maam |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :said by TKJunkMail :Stop all ads - targeted or not. For Firefox: » adblockplus.org/en/For IE7: » www.ie7pro.com/And as far as collecting your browsing history, all ISPs can do it and they don't need DPI to accomplish it. And a monolith like Google which controls 70% of the search activity on the net, can do the same thing. And with Google's tie-in with DoubleClick that reach expands to many sites not related to Google. Face it - there is little to no privacy while browsing and since the net was commercialized 20 years ago, there never was. First of all that doesn't from stop selling your data. As far as ad blocke, you do realize the rason why you can surfer MILLIONS of sitesf or FREE is because of ads. If everyone blocked ads sites would have no recourse but to start charging. Sorry, but if I'm taking my times, worka dfn money bulding a website for YOU to surf for FREE the least you can do is put up with some ads. If not, then sorry you must PAY to come to my site. Bandwidth, hosting and my time isn't free. Hopefully the beer is. |
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