T1 SmartJack in AT&T Midwest http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20951799 en Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:51:32 EDT Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:51:32 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21540789 heimdm : Well here is the latest. ATT/SBC who is the LEC in my area has provided ATT MIS (ATT Internet) with the expectation that the local loop will be ready for turn-up at the end of January 2009. It has been a long road, and I can't wait to be able to switch to VOIP and no longer have to keep adjusting the EVDO antenna to get a few hundred k/s, then may disconnect at anytime.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21540789 Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:52:59 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21448833 heimdm : The other day and today I noticed on the west side of 67 there was an ATT crew with one of their neon yellow and white pop-up tents. I spotted another att truck heading up toward my neighborhood. I am hoping this is the promising site of them working on my DS-1 local loop.

-Dennis-]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21448833 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:49:59 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21439189 lolwhat :
said by heimdm See Profile :
Are they doing work along IN-39 and 67?
Not that I know of. I was just commenting on the sheer volume of phone cables that run along those roads, some of which look like they've been there for decades. So, if you live off in that direction (north of Martinsville), I'm not surprised at all that it'll take 45-60 days. Even if you don't, I'm sure it's indicative of the rest of the Martinsville "suburbs."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21439189 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:12:53 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21435386 heimdm : This T1 circuit goes back to Martinsville CO. Since there are virtually no remote terminals. I was told 45 to 60 days for build-out. I've been living off of unreliable EVDO signal, while not the best, it is good enough for occassional web surfing.

Are they doing work along IN-39 and 67?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21435386 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:14:26 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21435220 lolwhat : If that mess of phone lines running along 39 and 67 is anything to go by...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21435220 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:53:53 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21434605 heimdm : The AT&T saga continues. My order is now in the hands of the special construction group. I am waiting to hear back. I installed CAT5 cable in my house and run my demarc extension. It is just cat5e wired as 568B on both ends. However, I still don't have dates as far as when the circuit will be complete.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21434605 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:44:42 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21023561 jordanair : by law TELcos do not provide IDSL which is combinig the 2 64Kbit channels with the 16 bit channle use for signaling and call setup.. this is usally offered by resellers..so it is correct you should be able to get ISDN ...unless the cable plant cannot handle it.. ISDN is an expensive option for internet access even compared to T1 or DS1 service I wish I had an exceptable option for you but if you are 60Kft from a POp or central Office I don't see one if your area already had build out for DS1 or 3 service you would not have this issue, but the cards required to buikd this service is very expensive amnd that is not counting the requirement of non-loaded cable pair. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21023561 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:39:11 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020048 psx_defector : As well as they should, it's an unregulated data product. :)

The difference in speed between ISDN and IDSL, especially considering that the other options are carrier pigeon, HAM packet radio, or a giant tower affected by the curvature of the earth, is negligible. What's another 14 Kbps between friends? With the right equipment, it's pretty much the same experience, just the B channel is available for telephone calls. Before the days of DSL, I used ISDN. Expensive as hell back then, for loop and 128K ISPs. Found plenty of 64K ISPs, no one wanted to do MLPPP.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, living in the boonies sucks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21020048 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:49:12 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017789 rolande :
said by drmorley See Profile :

They can (and will) install repeaters for ISDN. It's a regulated product and the telco cannot charge for build out.
For the dial version of ISDN, yes. For a nailed up IDSL connection at 144K, they will use the lack of regulatory requirements for delivery as an excuse not to deliver.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21017789 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:39:31 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21014170 drmorley :
said by lolwhat See Profile :

Well... A cursory Google search tells me that ISDN apparently doesn't work very well past 18Kft. Of course, that nukes IDSL as well, since IDSL runs over ISDN. So, since heimdm See Profile is sure at this point that his copper loop is over 60Kft long, it's wireless or nothing.
They can (and will) install repeaters for ISDN. It's a regulated product and the telco cannot charge for build out.
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It's expensive compared to everything else except perhaps IDSL. Expect to spend $75 or so a month plus ISP charges, which I'm sure there isn't too many 128K ISDN ISPs out there anymore.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013980 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:17:32 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013537 heimdm : I tried.. they said too far for IDSL... local loop is 60k+ feet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013537 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:31:47 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013400 lolwhat : If Accel doesn't work out, you may be able to get IDSL (DSL over ISDN) for $120-130/mo: »https://register.covad.com/registration/···ol.jhtml]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013400 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:36:13 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013364 heimdm : I have not been able to find a good detailed coverage map for Alltel. Right now I am looking into a solution that is by accel networks and is based on fixed 3g, and offers unlimited data usage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013364 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:16:58 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013344 lolwhat : Would you wish to reconsider the EVDO route? :) It looks like Alltel has no-cap mobile Internet with coverage in Indiana. Yes, Alltel is being acquired by Verizon, but at least you should have unlimited service for the length of your contract.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21013344 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:01:02 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21007935 heimdm : We have been contemplating building a tower. I would love to find someone down in town about 4-5 miles away that would let me hook into their broadband, and just do a wimax point to point link.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21007935 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:49:33 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21007544 psx_defector : Then build a 100ft tower.

»www.solidsignal.com/prod_display···5-BT-GUY Whole kit, only $3500. No problems with line of sight then, and your HDTV signal would be excellent. :)

Sure beats the $10K buildout. Although that was to be expected, living in the boonies does not equal free high-cap buildout, no matter who you are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21007544 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:26:08 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21007062 heimdm : I am trying to find a plan B, but have had no such luck. The area around me if full of 50-80ft trees.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21007062 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:05:44 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21006961 ArgMeMatey : Time for Plan B yet? Can you get service closer in to a point within Line-of-Sight from your house? Anybody offering wireless?

Somebody else recommended these to me for a different purpose. They are far cheaper than $10,000 and might be worth experimenting with.

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said by heimdm See Profile :



If I gave ATT the 10k+, they would take the money and they go to the USF (Universal Service Fund) for money to build out this rural circuit.

UGH..
You have proof of this or are you just guessing with this statement? :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21005390 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:13:10 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21005362 heimdm : ATT has kindly informed me that they need over $10,000 to build out a T-1 to my house. Additionally, they are stating that because it is a residence that justified the cost. That seems a bit crazy since a T1 just requires a conditioned copper pair.

If I gave ATT the 10k+, they would take the money and they go to the USF (Universal Service Fund) for money to build out this rural circuit.

UGH..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21005362 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:09:02 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20997417 heimdm : Now the real fun has begun. ATT is saying I am so far out there, that they do not have T-1 service nearby. The street just up the road from me is where the lines pull back to, but ATT says that facilities is unable to provide T-1 service. That is where we stand...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20997417 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:40:26 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968644 heimdm : I am going to run the cabling from the smartjack to my router myself. I just finished installing a few j-hooks in the crawlsapce last week. This morning I got a call from an SBC engineer who is designing my circuit. Looks like they are going to try to nail me for physical buildout costs now. They say they should have a quote to me later this week. Our pedistol is within a stones throw of the house. However we are back about 2500 feet off the main road, which is littered with those white box t-1 repeaters. I am hoping it is under 5k, but we shall see.. and hope for the best.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20968644 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:52:07 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20967325 sbcretired : I retired doing that very thing 5 yrs ago. The 2 slot outdoor housing was the preferred thing to use in this situation. Possibly if you are home when its installed, the tech might put a smart jack inside on the plywood-maybe.
Be aware that (5yrs ago) SBC/ATT charges separate from that housing to your computer. It was about $100hr plus a separate service charge. This was strictly time and material of the tech on site. You can DIY or hire another contractor to extend the circuit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20967325 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:41:45 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20966013 jlramirez :
said by rolande See Profile :

Last time I saw a residential T-1 install back in Chicago which has been about 4 years ago they were using the same smartjacks as they use in business installs. Probably a Tellabs or Adtran single wallmount chassis.
It could go either way... I've seen them put in to 2-slot Westell outdoor enclosures on residential installs on a couple of occasions. The circuit I had a few years back from work had the line card in an outdoor enclosure and extended in to a jack.
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-Dennis-]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952917 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:48:43 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952889 David : Can't say I know much but usually it's just a ethernet-looking jack isn't it? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952889 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:43:37 EDT Re: T1 SmartJack http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20952765 Shadow01 : I hope that there are conditioned pairs already available for you. I would hate to know what the build out cost at 60kft would be...
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