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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/429050"><b>La Luna</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rob <A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Thank you everyone for your responses.<br><br>The more I think about it, the more I am thinking of calling it all off.<br><br>Here's why. Her last cleaning was about 3-4 years ago. And it was a nightmare. All night she was up throwing up from the anesthesia. So I think it's important she gets a cleaning. I don't think she's in bad shape, but they say she's in terrible shape. I'm not sure how to gauge that - she eats only hard food and has no problems. <br><br>Also, I called back today and they said her bloodwork is ok, but her BUN was a little high, but that they would give her fluids before she went under.<br><br>Here's what concerns me, they estimate the surgery and the cleaning to be between $700-$800, but then she says that it can be as high as $2000. It's not about the money, I can pay that, but I don't like how they say between $700-$800 but as high as $2000? I want to know exactly how much. Not down to the exact penny, but if they say between $700-$800, then I expect the bill to be in that range, give or take. Not $2000 or more!<br><br>Further, she's old. She has a hard time being a lone. Do I really want her to stay over night in a cage? She was adopted from the human society when she was 1.5 yrs old.<br><br>Also, when I called to get the cost, she started asking me how big the cyst, etc was. I interrupted and told her that I just paid $75 on Wednesday (the whole bill was $285) for the vet to look at her. She needs to speak with the doc and tell me exactly how much the surgery will cost. And that doesn't include PAIN MED. I was floored. <br><br>Chances are, I will cancel and get a second opinion. So far, she has displayed NO pain or anything. Her walking is just fine. And the cyst seems to have "flatten" a little with the meds the doc prescribed. <br><br>And to top it. She's happy. Do I want to hurt her by putting her under and pain? I think I'm going to let her enjoy her life. She's very happy. She's jumping all over, wagging her tell, she's a happy dog for being 15. When we are able to feed her, she is jumping all over, wagging her tail. <br><br>I'm going to call it. I think I'm making the right choice. It's in the best interest of my dog. <br> </div>While teeth cleaning prices are high, the prices quoted to you sound higher than normal to me. They always give a "low" and "high" estimate (remember, these prices are ONLY an estimate). The difference between them is usually preanesthesia bloodwork (our office requires it for pets over five years of age, unless they've had it done recently) and any extractions that may be necessary, the number of which won't be known until they actually get in the dog's mouth. $2000 sounds outrageous, even with the growth removal. <br><br>Your dog's preanesthesia bloodwork sounds fine to me. They will give fluids during the dental/surgery. She will be given a combination of ketamine and valium and Isoflourene, an anesthetic gas, possibly glycopyrrolate ("glyco", used to reduce secretions in the mouth), and also pain killers, such as Hydromorphone, Buprenex and/or Rimadyl. She will go home with pain killers, such as Novox. <br><br>I'm not sure why they will keep her overnight, we send our dentals/minor surgeries home the same day. However, she will do fine staying overnight, they will keep her comfortable with pain meds.<br><br>I wouldn't worry too much about her age, that's when most dogs/cats need a dental, when they are older, sometimes sooner depending on their diet. It's best to keep up with teeth care if you can to prevent tooth loss, which will KEEP her happy. Dogs aren't people, they live in the moment, she will quickly move on from having her teeth cleaned and the minor surgery.  ;)<br><small>--<br><b><A HREF="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/">11,710 DEADLY TERROR ATTACKS SINCE 9/11</a></b>~~<b><A HREF="http://www.sarah-brightman.com/">SARAH BRIGHTMAN SYMPHONY WORLD TOUR</a></b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205331"><b>robbin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rob <A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They biopsied the cyst, and I am waiting on the results. </div>We are waiting also with prayers -- what were the results of the biopsy?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/256196"><b>shortckt</b></A> : Another thought, 15 years is getting up there for a dog. It's hard for us to tell just by appearances because animals don't show their age like people.<br><br>The old formula 1 human year == 7 dog years is flawed. Here is a chart produced by one of the local vet labs, showing more closely how a dog's years can be equated to human age. Just think, at 14 or 15 your dog is as old as your grandpa!  Another reason to be more careful with medical treatments.<br><small>--<br>Just valves and condensers!</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20958202?c=1339472&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDk1MTk5MC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="784791 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=309 SRC="/r0/download/1339472.thumb600~83e6e2595dad202e57e55deb4f68bde6/DogYears2.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>Dog vs Human Age</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/256196"><b>shortckt</b></A> : If surgery is unavoidable, try to find a reputable doctor who will use gas instead of Ketamine or other injectable anesthesia protocol.<br><br>Vets prefer injectable anesthesia because once the dose is administered the patient remains anesthetised for the duration of the procedure without much in the way of monitoring, whereas gas anesthesia requires someone to constantly monitor the patient's vitals and adjust the gas infusion to keep the patient balanced. In some vet's opinion, respiratory support is not always required with Ketamine which means one less tube in the patient's mouth to get in the way if the operation is in that area.<br><br>The disadvantage to injectable anesthesia is that it takes a long time for the drug to leave the patient's system. In an emergency, such as cardiopulmonary collapse, drugs can be injected to counter the effect of the anesthesia but also take some time to take effect. By comparison, gas is simply shut off and the anesthesia quickly clears from the system. In short, gas is easier to control if something goes wrong, but requires more hands in the operating room.<br><br>Ketamine is also known to cause powerful hallucinations in humans. We don't know if it does something similar in animals because they can't tell us, however it is more dangerous, google it and do some reading.<br><br>Depending on the outcome of the cyst biopsy it might be possible to use a non-surgical treatment for the time being. Depending on the invasion level and surgery required, it may be possible to use local anesthesia but I don't know if you would find a vet willing to perform surgery on a patient under local.<br><br>For the dental work, I don't know what kind of vet services are available in your area, but check into anesthesia-free teeth cleaning. Where I live, it is mostly provided by independent pet dentists who contract thru the local vet offices, coming in a couple times a month and sharing exam rooms and facilities with the vet.<br><br>Teeth cleaning without anesthesia is not as complete but it depends entirely on how cooperative and easy to handle your pet is. Definitely a safer option for any animal but especially older pets.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rob <A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Her bloodwork came back according to them everything was fine - her BUN was high, that's all.<br></div>How high? BUN and Creatinine are primary indicators of kidney function. You might want to get a copy of the lab report and take your pet to another vet for an opinion.<br><small>--<br>Just valves and condensers!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><b>Rob</b></A> : The appointment is for Thursday. I'm going to think about it a little longer, but chances are I am going to cancel it and think over it more. In the mean time, I'll continue to brush her teeth. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.checksite.us"> CheckSite.us </a> | <A HREF="http://www.yourip.us"> YourIP.US </a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1149374"><b>onDvine</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  fiberguy <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206900"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>... OR, it may be worth while to ask a second vet clinic. ...</div>As  fiberguy <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206900"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> said, if you can afford a second opinion from an unaffiliated source, you'll be more confident about your decision, whatever it is.<br><small>--<br>A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. <i>&#9642;Erin Majors</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206900"><b>fiberguy</b></A> : Rob, <br><br>I think you're making a good decision.. My attitude is pretty simple.. these guys spend all their lives working hard to make you happy.. For me, the LAST thing I want them to deal with is a hard time towards their Sr-hood. <br><br>My 7 year old rottie-girl, I just found out, has her left hip giving her problems. It's most likely arthritis but it could be a mild for of myopic displasia (sp).. these decisions are hard to make sometime. I've got her started on some treatments, she's enrolled in doggie-hydrotherapy to help take some of the weight off (as she's put some on as she's slowing down) and so far, she's shown a remarkable improvement. If need-be, and since she's still rather young, she could need a hip-replacement. (Thank GOD for PetInsurance.com - they've made caring for them easier.) I'm fortunate that both of my vets know they are family members, and they too treat them the same way, not just as patients. <br><br>Let her be happy, enjoy your time with her, and continue giving her the best life you can. I've been rescuing dogs from pounds and rescues for 20 years.. best thing you can ever do. Their lives started in chaos, for me, I do everything I can to ensure they don't end in chaos.<br><br>I hope everything works out well for you guys.<br><br>peace.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206900"><b>fiberguy</b></A> : Rob, <br><br>From what I've known based on my raising of dogs and being in the vets office on a regular basis, this is what I think...<br><br>A 15 year old Rottie (which I have) vs. your Fox Terrior/Beagle are going to be two different things. My Rottie is past his prime and there would have to be a VERY good reason for me to put him under Anesthsia. For yours, I'd not be TOO worried SO LONG AS THE BLOOD WORK comes back ok. <br><br>HOWEVER, I'd STILL be a little worried based on what your Vet/Dr told you. "Any dog that can walk in here on their own four legs, and assuming their blood work is ok, then anesthesia will be fine." The second part stated is correct, but simply because they can "walk in" doesn't mean a rat's-tail.<br><br>I love the four legged creatures more than many people and they're like kids to me. I do more for them than the average owner will.. I just lost my 15 year old June 29th ... a few weeks prior he has a small, unrelated problem, that set me back $400, but it was worth it to me to spend the money - again, like kids. ;)<br><br>Some vets (usually chains, but even small ones) will push people to do things in order to generate revenue. I'd be very careful moving forward. If this has to be done to save his/her life, then I'd base your opinion wholey on the blood work, and your dogs general health history and you're going to have to make some decisions on your own. <br><br>Also, not sure if you have an established relationship with this particular office you are using.. if you do, that plays a lot as well. <br><br>I have a vet that the family has used for over 30 years now - he's an INCREDIBLE DVM but he's 400 miles from where I live now; but I do make the trip home when it's serious.. I have a local that I've worked with who also coordinates with my vet back home. The local one, I don't let do too many major things to my pups.. what I'm getting at is you really need to know your vet, too. I've actually met some that, while they were vets, they did it for the money and they didn't always share the same love and compassion that some of us have for our pets. <br><br>I place equal value on my two dogs as I do any other member of the house,.. some see them as "property" and base what they do on that notion.. some people thing that when a pet dies, you just 'get a new one'.. <br><br>I think you know what I'm saying.. <br><br>Maybe, if I were you, ask for a second vet in the office to just re-assure you, OR, it may be worth while to ask a second vet clinic. <br><br>I tend to agree with James1 that the chances, based on the surface, that anything will happen are slim.<br><br>Good luck.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><b>Rob</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  FutureMon <A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Owlbet <A HREF="/useremail/u/693202"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It is money well spent to have a pre-anesthesia bloodwork test done on your dog.  I've had my vet do it for all my dogs for any of their surgical procedures.  In Alaska, the test is about $100.00.  Your location may vary.<br><br>Talk to your vet about it. <br> </div>This is just about the only way you can be reasonably sure that your dog will not have issues with the anesthesia.  And it can also alert you to other things you may not know about your pet...<br><br>- FM<br> </div>Her bloodwork came back according to them everything was fine - her BUN was high, that's all.<br><br>They biopsied the cyst, and I am waiting on the results.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><b>Rob</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  MooJohn <A HREF="/useremail/u/1303253"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Have you used this vet for a while?  It sounds like the biggest factor is you don't trust them, both in their opinion and their business practices.  Both are vital when they're taking care of your furry family members.<br> </div>Maybe. I trust that they will take the upmost care of my dog. To them, she's a patient, to me she's a family member.<br><br>I'm just wondering if putting her through it all is worth it, at this point. <br><br>I think at this time I'm not going to go through with it. She's happy, and she doesn't show any pain and I don't think it would be fair to her. I really believe it would hamper her health.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Owlbet <A HREF="/useremail/u/693202"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It is money well spent to have a pre-anesthesia bloodwork test done on your dog.  I've had my vet do it for all my dogs for any of their surgical procedures.  In Alaska, the test is about $100.00.  Your location may vary.<br><br>Talk to your vet about it. <br> </div>This is just about the only way you can be reasonably sure that your dog will not have issues with the anesthesia.  And it can also alert you to other things you may not know about your pet...<br><br>- FM<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><b>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</b></a> Care to challenge me?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/162762"><b>djrobx</b></A> : Monster went in yesterday to have a a couple lumps removed.  He's only 5, and he had a previous mast cell tumor, so the doctor said we should just remove them.  We got him back last night<br><br>I think it was really rough on him this time.  He's not throwing up or anything, but all last night he would just sit on my lap whimpering softly and fall asleep again.  He's normally so tough, I don't think I've ever seen him so affected.   He's still acting pretty depressed today.  <br><br>I'm sure it'll get better, but in short, you are right to think that the surgery might be hard on your dog, and to question whether it's really necessary or not.<br>  <br><small>--<br>Laser eye surgery rocks!  I love frickin' laser beams.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/320321"><b>Maccawolf</b></A> : First, let me just post in advance that this is going to be EXTREMELY hard for me to type as it is still very raw.<br><br>Second I would like to say THANK YOU to  robbin <A HREF="/useremail/u/205331"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>, who has put things so wonderfully!<br><br>In Jan my 18 year old Husky started crying one night. HE had been FINE before hand (or so I thought), but when I brought him to the vet half an hour later, they gave me an option.<br><br>Basically, they said they had no idea what was wrong with him and I should leave him there for a "few days" so they could figure it out. I don't think so... It might have been a different story if they actually KNEW what was wrong with him, but I looked at it this way. He's in pain NOW, (and 18)And do I really think it fair to subject him to meds daily for the rest of his life, PLUS, at 18, how much longer can I REALLY expect him to live. Is it fair to even put him through the tests???????<br> Rob <A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>, do as you feel comfortable doing, and know that there are others who have had to make tough decisions where their babies are concerned too.<br><br><br><br>I miss you Crockett!<br><small>--<br><br>Mom and Crockett...... I miss you both!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1303253"><b>MooJohn</b></A> : My vet of 21+ years has cleaned the teeth of our animals (cats and dogs) quite a few times.  It's always been on the older ones because their teeth don't self-clean as well as when they were young.  Our 15yo cat had it done a few weeks ago.  They always do the procedure under anesthesia to minimize the trauma to the animal.  <br><br>My vet also has a separate boarding area for post-surgery and other animals needing more care than simple food & water.  A groggy animal doesn't mind a cage for a day or so while they recover & get their bearings.<br><br>Have you used this vet for a while?  It sounds like the biggest factor is you don't trust them, both in their opinion and their business practices.  Both are vital when they're taking care of your furry family members.<br><small>--<br>John M - Cranky network guy</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><b>Rob</b></A> : Thank you everyone for your responses.<br><br>The more I think about it, the more I am thinking of calling it all off.<br><br>Here's why. Her last cleaning was about 3-4 years ago. And it was a nightmare. All night she was up throwing up from the anesthesia. So I think it's important she gets a cleaning. I don't think she's in bad shape, but they say she's in terrible shape. I'm not sure how to gauge that - she eats only hard food and has no problems. <br><br>Also, I called back today and they said her bloodwork is ok, but her BUN was a little high, but that they would give her fluids before she went under.<br><br>Here's what concerns me, they estimate the surgery and the cleaning to be between $700-$800, but then she says that it can be as high as $2000. It's not about the money, I can pay that, but I don't like how they say between $700-$800 but as high as $2000? I want to know exactly how much. Not down to the exact penny, but if they say between $700-$800, then I expect the bill to be in that range, give or take. Not $2000 or more!<br><br>Further, she's old. She has a hard time being a lone. Do I really want her to stay over night in a cage? She was adopted from the human society when she was 1.5 yrs old.<br><br>Also, when I called to get the cost, she started asking me how big the cyst, etc was. I interrupted and told her that I just paid $75 on Wednesday (the whole bill was $285) for the vet to look at her. She needs to speak with the doc and tell me exactly how much the surgery will cost. And that doesn't include PAIN MED. I was floored. <br><br>Chances are, I will cancel and get a second opinion. So far, she has displayed NO pain or anything. Her walking is just fine. And the cyst seems to have "flatten" a little with the meds the doc prescribed. <br><br>And to top it. She's happy. Do I want to hurt her by putting her under and pain? I think I'm going to let her enjoy her life. She's very happy. She's jumping all over, wagging her tell, she's a happy dog for being 15. When we are able to feed her, she is jumping all over, wagging her tail. <br><br>I'm going to call it. I think I'm making the right choice. It's in the best interest of my dog. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.checksite.us"> CheckSite.us </a> | <A HREF="http://www.yourip.us"> YourIP.US </a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I was about to write almost the same exact thing as Robbin. Great post. I agree 100%]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205331"><b>robbin</b></A> : Personally I would not have the teeth cleaned on a 14 to 15 year old dog. The vets really push this as a moneymaker. I have quite a bit of experience with dogs as I currently have 8 and have had up to 15. I also have experience with cysts, growths, tumors and cancer in dogs. I believe the vet could biopsy a small cyst without putting the dog under.<br><br>I do understand your worries as I have had them many times. There is always a chance of problems -- you need to weigh that chance against the problem. Dirty teeth on a dog of that age is not a problem.<br><br>I actually had an experience with a vet who I really respect where my dog had some tumors. Before they talked to me about the implications of the tumors they gave me the "she has terrible teeth and they really need to be cleaned" spiel. She still had all of her teeth and had no problem eating solid food when she died a natural death at 16 a couple of years later. Clean the teeth of a 5 year old dog if you wish, but I don't see the point of taking the risk on one which is 15.<br><br>I would use the same logic on the cyst -- does it really hamper her mobility? A 15 year old dog doesn't do much running and jumping. Similarly what are the consequences of finding out it's cancerous? Your dog is really too old to consider amputation if it is a bone cancer. The reason I bring this type thing up is you should always weigh what you will learn versus not knowing. My opinion -- unless the cyst is a problem for the dogs mobility I would not take the risk and just enjoy and cherish the few remaining years you have together. At 14 - 15 your dog is definitely geriatric and even considering that smaller breeds live longer, there aren't that many years left in the best of health. I hate to bring up the financial issue, but you should also consider how much you are willing to spend and advanced treatments quickly go into the many thousands of dollars. Once again, sometimes it's better not to know when the other choices make no sense.<br><br>[edit] I missed the part where you said the cyst was growing -- it sounds like you may have to deal with it. It also sounds like it has already been biopsied. If the results come back negative and the dog is going under for the removal of the cyst then it's your call as to the teeth cleaning. If it is cancerous, then cherish your time together and don't put the dog through unnecessary stress. And please don't think you need to put it down right away. Listen to your dog and you will know if it's a problem that love can't overcome on a day to day basis.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/693202"><b>Owlbet</b></A> : It is money well spent to have a pre-anesthesia bloodwork test done on your dog.  I've had my vet do it for all my dogs for any of their surgical procedures.  In Alaska, the test is about $100.00.  Your location may vary.<br><br>Talk to your vet about it. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:42:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/653200"><b>Silentwolf</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  WakkieRob <A HREF="/useremail/u/1573881"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If the dog has something wrong with its mouth its itching to get it sorted.<br>If its cancerus and they cut it out that can't be a bad thing either, either way the blood tests will show that there's nothing wrong or there's big stress levels which mean that it's to late and the cancer has already spread the nose should be a good indication like with our dog who by 4yrs old was riddled with it. Saddly we done the only thing we could<br> </div>Well he said the cyst was on the paw, so I don't think it would go to her nose from there. Now of it was some sort of oral cancer than it might.<br><br> Rob <A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A><br><br>As for the anesthesia, they tend to give em some ketamine and other goodies that have been shown to work well. The dog is in good health so shouldn't have any problems with it, but there is always a chance. <br><small>--<br>Brad ~ <A HREF="http://bradleynoe.com">Blog</a> | <A HREF="http://forums.bradleynoe.com">My Forums</a> | <A HREF="http://vanadielranch.com">Vanadiel Ranch (FFXI)</a> | <A HREF="http://forums.ganon.net">Police Forums I run</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:30:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1573881"><b>WakkieRob</b></A> : If the dog has something wrong with its mouth its itching to get it sorted.<br>If its cancerus and they cut it out that can't be a bad thing either, either way the blood tests will show that there's nothing wrong or there's big stress levels which mean that it's to late and the cancer has already spread the nose should be a good indication like with our dog who by 4yrs old was riddled with it. Saddly we done the only thing we could]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:03:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1573881"><b>WakkieRob</b></A> : Just because a dog doesn't eat a chew doesn't mean its got bad teeth unless the vet has told you so. And one of my dogs scally who is a black lab has never liked these chews but you can buy teeth cleaning softer one's.<br>Rob]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:52:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1056836"><b>ravencajun</b></A> : In general it is just like for humans, normally everything is fine but when going under anesthesia there can be no guarantees.  I have had several animals go under and all came out fine. That included an Afghan hound, they are one breed that do not undergo anesthesia well they are a much higher risk, but he handled it fine.<br><br>If you have a good vet,and staff that are familiar with your animal it should be fine. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:51:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1230584"><b>jadinolf</b></A> : Not to worry.<br><br>I have 25 years of basset hound experience behind me.<br><br>When I have my dogs teeth cleaned, I have bumps and lumps removed at the same time. This saves you from having to pay for anesthesia twice.<br><br>Never had a problem and all dogs led a good life but not long enough. <br><br>Hard to believe but vets know what they are doing....dentists on the other hand........<br><small>--<br>This post printed on 100% recycled bytes</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:20:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/326902"><b>james</b></A> : I wouldnt worry too much, especially if it's something that cannot be avoided. Chances are nothing will go wrong.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:07:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><b>Rob</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Some opinions (not to be confused with actual veterinary training):<br><br>Is it a chain vet?  My experience has been poor, to the extent of recommending unneeded surgery.  <br><br>Is the dog in good health and in decent shape?  What breed?  A 15 year-old Lab is a far different deal that a small breed.<br><br>Is a second opinion an option?  Ask another vet if she's healthy enough for it.<br><br>Lastly, is it worth it?  If she only has a few years left, maybe manual brushing will keep her teeth in decent enough condition that the thorough cleaning won't be needed.<br> <br> </div>Thanks. This isn't a chain vet (&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.tcahvets.com/" >www.tcahvets.com/</A>). <br><br>So far, she's in excellent health. Other than the cyst, she has no other problems. He did take blood work and we are waiting on the results to see how her kidneys/heart, etc is. Based on a physical examination, she is in excellent health.<br><br>The cyst needs to be removed because it's growing. We're also waiting to see if it's cancerous or not. <br><br>She's a Fox Terrior/Beagle<br><br>Is it worth it? I think it is. I'm just concerned.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:30:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/881809"><b>MagMan</b></A> : If La Luna catches this thread she should know.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:29:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/722122"><b>cocothebean</b></A> : It's like anything else Medical, there is no telling what can happen!!!<br>Most likely if your dog is in general good health it should be fine!!!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:21:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Some opinions (not to be confused with actual veterinary training):<br><br>Is it a chain vet?  My experience has been poor, to the extent of recommending unneeded surgery.  <br><br>Is the dog in good health and in decent shape?  What breed?  A 15 year-old Lab is a far different deal that a small breed.<br><br>Is a second opinion an option?  Ask another vet if she's healthy enough for it.<br><br>Lastly, is it worth it?  If she only has a few years left, maybe manual brushing will keep her teeth in decent enough condition that the thorough cleaning won't be needed.<br> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:17:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><b>Rob</b></A> : My dog is 14-15 years old and she's going to be having her teeth cleaned, and have a small cyst removed from her paw next week (both will be done at the same time). They will use anesthesia on her and have assured me everything will be ok.<br><br>I'm afraid she won't wake up. Anyone know the chances? The vet said (and I quote) "Any dog that can walk in here on their own four legs, and assuming their blood work is ok, then anesthesia will be fine."<br><br>They will be keeping her overnight, but I'm just worried. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:05:34 EDT</pubDate>
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