QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20954802 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:15:43 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:15:43 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20993322 eviljafar : Setting up QoS for a WRT54G using Tomato (or any other firmware, or any other home router) really only works on outbound traffic. When you set up QoS your router is deciding what to do with the data that it sends and receives over the internet. It can prioritise what it sends, but it can only deal with inbound data after it has been received.

In the case of outbound data, it will queue packets and then send them based on your QoS rules, giving preference to some packets over others. With inbound data though, all it can do is allocate bandwidth. If you saturate what is allocated in QoS to a certain type of inbound data then the only choice your router can make is to throw some packets away, and depending on the protocol, maybe ask for them again. So then you might download the same packet twice or more, so this just adds to your inbound bandwith use.

Just set your inbound limit to a number above what your ISP says is your maximum and set all the inbound classifications to "None".

If your ISP is also your VoIP provider then they might use Qos for VoIP packets sent to you, but that is set up at their end, not in your router.

It is still worth setting up QoS on your router though. If for example you use VoIP and your internet connection is used for anything else at the same time that uploads data like torrents, sending email, browsing the web etc then it is worthwhile setting up QoS. It may suit you for example to set up QoS to give preference to VoIP, then online games, then browsing requests, then small uploads, then large uploads, then torrents.

Some standard Tomato QoS rules are explained at »polarcloud.com/tomatofaq#what_sh···_for_qos and for some more general info on QoS for Tomato have a look at »en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Tomato_Firmware#QoS. QoS in Tomato is very configurable though so you may work out some other custom rules that are good for your situation.

Cheers,

Jaf.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20993322 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:22:42 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20987581 DSL_Ricer : That's very odd. I just tried and there and was no problem connecting with MLPPP.

While during testing we have run into Teksavvy router(s?) that don't negotiate mlppp, it's been quite rare. A simple restart would usually solve it.

You may wish to try setting the "reject non-MLPPP connections" option under Advanced->Misc. Does that help?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20987581 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:29:12 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20986929 BATGAL : Just now when I checked, my MLPPP status if "FAILED" (as opposed to multi link, single link etc). I certainly, refreshed, opened router page again...but its still the same.

Connection type is "pppoe". Status is "connected" and mlppp is "failed".

I have net connection, good torrent speeds (no throttling, ofcourse...not anymore) and no other problem.

Should I be concerned?

(bit of googling didn't help in this matter)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20986929 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:09:01 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20976885 BATGAL : don't know what your problem is........but it is certainly not throttling unless they throttle some areas (geographic) and not others.

Every since i got tomato running (a few hours ago), no throttling for me.......uploads are at full speeds. Not testing downloads right now (but i am sure they will be at full speeds too).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20976885 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:10:58 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20976850 anon : yeh, ive been using that mlppp hack since it was released on here, and everything has been running smoothly untill about 9:30pm tonight all my torrent downloads are throttled. maximum speed being 23kb/s total on any tracker.. i didnt change anything in any settings, even tried rebooting the modem.. what the heck could be the problem?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20976850 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:01:45 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20976331 anon : As a general rule, nobody likes things being circumvented. Take income trusts for example: it was a tax loophole that was costing the crown lots of money, and so they closed it.

There are multiple ways of removing the utility of MLPPP depending on the situation. On one side, if you only care about total amount of data sent, you don't care if people circumvent your DPI and you use a bandwidth cap.

Everyone else:
-Tie 1 PPPoE account to 1 DSL port: this allows the provider to do lots of things including more accurate and simpler use based billing (based on the port), reduction of revenue leakage from PPPoE logins being used on DSL ports that should be inactive. It also prevents a user from using more IP's and circumventing per-session bandwidth restrictions (since many providers cap speed other than by changing your sync rate) by having multiple PPPoE session per account/household. But this doesn't really affect MLPPP.

-Limit each DSL port to 1 PPPoE session: defeats MLPPP workaround in addition to multiple session case described above.

-Combination of 1port to 1 login and 1 session limit:achieves all of the above plus eliminates login account issue, provides simpler traffic accounting (Bell and ISP have an easier time with traffic accounting) and improves overall security.

These limitations can occur at the DSLAM or the BRAS, and by setting a limit on concurrent session per username, although this last one causes other issues of its own.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20976331 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:14:44 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975707 BATGAL : Excellent...excellent daboom and beamer. Thank you very much.

You guided me through the whole thing...thanks. I will see the effects soon, i am sure.

I saw the link already BEAMER69 and was wondering if that dealt with my problem. You confirmed it. I will do a bit of reading there...........but its not urgent, because of previously mentioned reasons.

I have sent you the PM on QoS, DABOOM.

btw, one question...........read somewhere Bell is trying to prevent users from avoiding throttling by "putting the block (?) some place else (dslam?)". Any idea?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975707 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:51:46 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975567 beamer69 : I think you are in bridge mode if your router is doing the PPPOE login for you.

quote:
Now I have single link PPPoE connection. Does that mean I can avoid throttling? As simple as that?


Yes it is that simply. Now go and download a bunch of Torrents to test it :D

Here is a link about how to connect to the modem through Tomato »Connecting to modem on Tomato/MLPPP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975567 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:23:33 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975510 daboom : With the tomato firmware it's possible to gain access to the modem behind the router if it allows it in bridged mode. Not sure with ur modem. But that's another step you can tackle later if you really need it. \

Once u have single link Mlppp going the throttlein has been evaded.
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I am getting net connection with PPPoE (single link) setting on the router....yeh!! Previously, I hadn't entered the username, password at the router basic/network.
I didn't have to create XP PPPoE.
This happened NOT in the bridge mode. So is there any need to test if the net works in the bridge mode as well (with PPPoE setting on router)? Or is it fine the way it is?

Now I have single link PPPoE connection. Does that mean I can avoid throttling? As simple as that?

*only minor hiccup is, with the PPPoE enabled on the router, I cannot access the modem page (192.168.2.1). But that is of little concern since I can change username, password (which is why i use the modem page mostly) at the router page (192.168.1.1) too.

Anyways..........after this issue is SETTLED for good, then I will trouble you with the QoS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975435 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:52:56 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975367 daboom : you would need to setup xp pppoe on your computer in order to connect to the inet that is when the modem is directly connected to the computer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975367 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:04 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975319 BATGAL : sure.........i'll check that out after connecting the router.

but isn't something else wrong since I don't get connection EVEN DIRECTLY (without router) in bridge mode?

anyways....lemme connect the router and see]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975319 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:31:14 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975303 daboom : when u select pppoe in the router your pluggin in your user info there rite?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975303 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:28:15 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975295 BATGAL : oh trouble ensued.

My modem is speedstream 5200. I went to 192.168.2.1 and clicked "change to bridge mode". And since then, no connection. Regardless of whether the router is in DHCP or PPPoE, I don't have connection while in bridge mode.

I removed the router and connected directly to the modem. Still no connection. Restarting computer, powering off/on modem didn't help either. Finally I reset the modem (by pressing the button). This way, atleast I was able to log on to 192.168.2.1 There I entered the username/password again (by this time, those fields had gone blank) and thus got the connection back.

What the heck? How come I don't have net connectivity while in bridge mode? Anything else I need to do after clicking "bridge"??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20975295 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:26:52 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20974756 daboom : do you have a st516 modem? or any modem that has ur pppoe login etc? it may not be in bridged mode hence why ur getting an IP in dhcp mode ie inet is working. You have to switch the modem over to bridge mode.
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Now, I searched for the Multilink/Singlelink setting and could NOT find it. Later I realized, my setting was set to DHCP and NOT PPPoE. I changed to PPPoE and then changed the "off" to "single link". Well....then I lost my net connection. Only got it back on switching it back to DHCP. Is it because I did not change some other setting as well, while changing from DHCP to PPPoE?
Please let me know what the problem could be so that I can move closer towards avoiding the throttling problem.

And about the QoS, let me PM you daboom...soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20974661 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:26:51 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20973571 daboom : I can help on the qos side message me exactly what you need to know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20973571 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:00:12 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20972452 beamer69 :
said by BATGAL See Profile :

How to avoid throttling...I have no idea.
Have you done this?

quote:
2) On the Administration/Configuration page, reset your router to factory default settings, including NVRAM

3) Set up your router just as you would with the normal Tomato firmware.

4) On the Basic/Network page, set the "MultiLink PPP" option to "Single Link"


As for the rest of the QoS stuff I am not much help because I am out west in Telus land and they don't throttle me :D

My settings are just like yours except for the inbound limit. For that all of mine are set to none. I have tried to screw up my voip by downloading torrents to the max but my voip keeps working?

I am sure someone else on this forum will have better advice then I do ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20972452 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:11:06 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20972202 BATGAL : Hey......thanks to you guys, I was able to successfully install Tomato/MLPPP without much hiccup :)

Now on to QoS and escaping throttling...

How to avoid throttling...I have no idea.

About QoS...since Deaks2 posted a QoS link, I was able to read stuff. Atleast now I know WHERE to make the changes. I played a litte bit with the "QoS" tab and the results are shown on the photos (i mostly copied someone's settings after a little bit of googling; i am willing to change any/all of it after your suggestions).

But please let me know exactly what to do considering my priorities:

in order

1) VOIP.
2) Browsing, streaming(audio,video), msn etc.
3) Torrents/P2P, other direct downloads.
Thats all there that i know of (no xbox live etc). Then the stuff I saw on googling like DNS, DNS(2K+), Bulk traffic....i am not sure what priority to give them.

So please help me SETUP QoS and to AVOID THROTTLING.

Thanks in advance

*The values entered in the photos (max. bandwidth) 656(up) and 4320(down) are my average speeds after speed test (NOT 90% of average or anything, as some say is best).

**Am subscribed to a lesser known company for the VOIP, called SunSonic. Guess that won't make a difference for QoS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20972202 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:31:36 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20958521 Taylortbb : The only important thing I'd add to that list is make sure you do the upgrade from a computer connected via a wired connection, don't do it wirelessly. That could "brick" your router (probably the term you were looking for, not locked).

Other than that you've got the list right. We'll do this one thing at a time, once MLPPP is working we can talk about QoS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20958521 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:11:45 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20958459 beamer69 : Yes I think you have it all covered. Sorry it has been awhile since I upgraded from the Linksys firmware to Tomato so now I don't really remember just how it is done but your description seems spot on.

Don't forget if you do get stuck simply connect your modem directly to your computer and set it up not in bridge mode so it does the PPPOE login and you should be back up on the internet.

Then you can post for more help.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20958459 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:56:06 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20958380 BATGAL : I got the following WIKI. Is this what I do to flash the firmware?
Where it says, upload the correct firmware, I just specify the .BIN file. Right?
Most importantly, I want to make sure, I don't end up losing internet (i won't be able to get your help either, that way). So, is there anything else I should do before, during or after to make sure my router doesn't end up getting "locked"!!? (read somewhere)
If there is any problem (lose connection), can I just reset the router to set everything right?

Lot of questions........but I am basically asking the same thing. Do I need to take additional care while doing the following:

Installing on a Linksys WRT54G, WRT54GL or WRT54GS

* Open the Linksys GUI in your browser. The default URL is »192.168.1.1/. The default credentials are username: {blank}, password: admin

* Click the Administration tab, then Firmware Upgrade.

* Select and upload the correct firmware for your router.

* Wait for about 2 minutes while the firmware is uploaded & flashed.

* Log in to the router, and reset factory defaults (under Administration/Configuration/Restore Default Configuration, select the Erase all data in NVRAM (thorough) option and click OK. Router will restart again, and the factory default login is "admin" with a password of "admin". If you have a password set with the old Linksys firmware, try using that password before a manual reset if you encounter any problems logging into Tomato GUI.

------------------------------------------------------------]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20958380 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:28:10 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956465 Deaks2 : Here a guide to Tomato's QoS features: »www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10···s-setup/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956465 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:18:38 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20955426 DSL_Ricer :
said by BATGAL See Profile :

I got to this page from your link:
»fixppp.org/index.php?p=download
Should I download, "Binaries Stable build (v2)" or "Source Stable build (v2)" ?
The binaries. There's a readme in the archive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20955426 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:42:00 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20955276 BATGAL : Thanks. I will follow what you say, beginning with the installation.

I got to this page from your link:
»fixppp.org/index.php?p=download
Should I download, "Binaries Stable build (v2)" or "Source Stable build (v2)" ?

And also, I don't know how to install it. I have never installed anything to the router. Where can I read about 'how to install'?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20955276 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:15:40 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20955221 beamer69 : Install tomato/MLPPP to start »fixppp.org
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20955221 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:03:20 EDT Re: QoS, Throttling - WRT54GL & Tomato http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954934 daboom : Batgal you put tomato on the GL yet? The version in this forum is the one you want of tomato look for a recent thread for it. That will have MLPPP enabled and easy to setup. QOS on the other hand requires a bit more work and figuring out.
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I bought a WRT54GL (from compu2000). Now I want to congifure it to

1)to avoid throttling
2)configure QoS
Specifically, I need the QoS to set bandwidth limits to "torrents", "VOIP phone" and "browsing, streaming etc"

So do I need tomato MLPPP for both these purposes?

Can you please explain how to do the above?

I am all ready to read and learn. If you can direct me to the best sources of info, it will be great.

*I have absolutely no knowledge of Linux
**My modem is Speedstream 5200 and I am using a WIRED setup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20954802 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:29:46 EDT