en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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1 edit | Lets see... AT&T can sell:
POTS unlimited for $40/month, add on another $5 for Canada, which comes out to almost $60 after fees/taxes
Uverse Voice (in the few markets that sell it) for $40/month, requiring Uverse TV service ($$$) $40 (or $30) + TV service
CallVantage = $25/month... no AT&T TV, POTS, LD requirements. Just an internet connection.
Of course AT&T is going to stop this service... its not that they're losing money.. its that they're not making as much money.
Basically:
POTS Unlimited: $40 + $5/Canada = $~58/month
Uverse Voice: $30 or $40 + AT&T only Uverse TV = $85 or more
Call Vantage: $25/month + any internet service
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| Re: Lets see... said by iansltx  :Of course, CallVantage is similarly priced to "traditional" VoIP providers like Lingo, Vonage, VT, VoicePulse etc. So now if CV is cut off people will just move to other VoIP providers. They certainly won't pony up another $15 per month just to keep a telco brand name. I wouldn't be so sure. Many people have the choice of those same VOIP providers and yet choose to pay MORE for Comcast's CDV Voip product.
Brand names are very powerful and backed by lots of advertising. Many, many people choose the brand name product over a much cheaper generic product all the time.
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dadkins
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Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Lets see... Agreed!
Third party VoIP use the actual HSI connection for the voice service - CDV does not.
Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will!
CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not.
No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/
CDV doesn't need modem or internet.
CDV does work in a power outage.
My choice was for the CDV as opposed to third party VoIP solution.
Yeah, CDV costs more than say AT&T CV or Vonage - it'll work though when *they* will not.
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Chris 313
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| said by dadkins :Agreed! Third party VoIP use the actual HSI connection for the voice service - CDV does not. Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will! CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not. No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/ CDV doesn't need modem or internet. CDV does work in a power outage. My choice was for the CDV as opposed to third party VoIP solution. Yeah, CDV costs more than say AT&T CV or Vonage - it'll work though when *they* will not. I definitely agree with that. My previous AT&T VOIP service was good, but if the internet or power died, it died with it.
The price was creeping up. So, I went looking elsewhere and found CDV in a package deal, for only a few cents more then what my bill already said.
With it, I get 7 digit dialing again, battery backup when the power goes out, and working E-911.
To me, that is worth the slightly more money I pay CDV for. If it wouldn't have been CDV, I'd have evaluated my options and balanced features, price and uptimes and went like that.
CDV was the best choice all around and with what AT&T is doing now, it looks like I made the right choice as CallVantage looks to be going bye bye and I'd lose service anyway. | |
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join:2000-10-20
Gainesville, VA
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| said by dadkins :Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will! CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not. No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/ CDV doesn't need modem or internet. CDV does work in a power outage. Hold the phone! Let's get the facts right.
I have a UPS on my Comcast modem and third-party ATA. When the power goes out, I'm still working.
CDV needs the eMTA ... what do you think that is!!! | |
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Gainesville, VA | Re: Lets see... HeHeHe  ... That's very true! Thanks Comcast!!!! | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | During many power outages, DSL worked fine, as long as I powered up the modem (car jumpstart kit + 400W inverter).
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| said by djrobx :Funny - without CDV availability, Comcast's node and other cable equipment probably wouldn't be battery backed, and you'd be SOL in a power outage anyway! -- Rob I've had battery backups for a long time (just plain good idea for your computer equipment) and the node's had battery backups long before they started offering CDV anywhere. Power can be a tricky thing - you can have power and the neighbors across the street not. Imagine if your Comcast would have always gone out if anywhere between them and you SOMEBODY somewhere didn't have power. | |
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join:2008-03-28 | Re: Lets see... Yep, anyone who gets HSI (with or without CDV) and doesn't use a UPS with their cable modem or eMTA (and, of course, their computer) pretty much deserves what they get when the power goes out. | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| said by priller :said by dadkins :Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will! CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not. No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/ CDV doesn't need modem or internet. CDV does work in a power outage. Hold the phone! Let's get the facts right. I have a UPS on my Comcast modem and third-party ATA. When the power goes out, I'm still working. CDV needs the eMTA ... what do you think that is!!! What do I think it is? An eMTA.
There is no UPS here, the ARIS eMTA has it's own battery - just like my laptops.
The eMTA does NOT power anything else - not even it's own HSI modem!
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dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | Re: Lets see... Define "modem"
The ARRIS is an eMTA(enhanced multimedia terminal adapter).
When a power-outage happens, the "modem" side of it is dead but the phone side works.
CDV does not rely on the HSI to operate and no "modem" is active - no HSI.
Sure, with a UPS, you can probably get the other VoIP services to work, but many/most people with CDV or VoIP services do not have a UPS lighting up... anything.
Last power "interruption" we had, CDV worked fine. 
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join:2008-03-23
Dayton, OH | I do not know about Canada but in the US the Time-Warner cable phone service is not VOIP. It is a proprietary digital phone service. There is a difference.
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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| Re: Lets see... and as far as i know TWC does NOT offer battery back-up built in. they did at one time but had a problem and took them all out.
When i lived in Fremont OH my DP never had a backup. and if you didnt have a MOT eMTA you'd have problems with the SAs. | |
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jt4
@comcast.net
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dadkins
| but comcast cdv does not go thought public internet service. it goes thought there own network.. Comcast has more control over the service then like vonage. comcast cdv has normal 911 service other voip do not. comcast cdv work for alarms or voip dont. so people are paying a little bit more for more feature and benefits | |
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI | Maybe they have plans to start messing around with other peoples VOIP like Comcast used to do. | |
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@swbell.net
| lets not forget that callvantage is a pre merger product. Lots of pre merger products on both sbc and att sides were drastically changed or getting canceled all together.
Callvantage was a dead service long before att decided to stop selling it. Recent FCC E911 mandates made offering of the service much more troublesome. Soon, Uverse voip will be able to be sold without requiring uverse service itself, basically replacing the callvantage type product anyway. | |
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morbo
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| Re: Lets see... said by letsnot :
Soon, Uverse voip will be able to be sold without requiring uverse service itself, basically replacing the callvantage type product anyway.
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IfIwere
@swbell.net
| Re: Lets see... If I were to guess I would say when Uverse voice gets a bring your own broadband option that they will price it closer to what is in the market at that time for similar services. Just a guess but to me that makes sense. I also expect prices of the bundled packages to get better too as more people get on the network and they start to get some ROI. Historically DSL prices did the exact same thing. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Uverse VoIP is already more expensive than traditional VoIP, and is only available bundled, in SOME of the few markets that AT&T offers Uverse (i.e. Not Los Angeles).
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
1 edit | Re: Lets see... Except in Detroit, where U-verse Voice is offered at $20.
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morbo
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Lets see... AT&T must be really hurting for business in Detroit (auto industry is pretty much a dead business around Detroit right now, and its not the most desirable city to live in - HIGH unemployment area)
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | very true. but as always lately- Karl has it wrong. ATT started the service to gain customers without having to rely on the actual resell of landlines.
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | quote:
CallVantage = $25/month... no AT&T TV, POTS, LD requirements. Just an internet connection.
When you're an AT&T wireless/u-verse/dsl customer, CV was $20.
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
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| Of course, CallVantage is/was available in non-at&t/AT&T service areas, so they are/were taking business away from other providers and not from their other telephony products. Why shouldn't they change to just offering it outside their own areas instead of altogether (to avoid competing with their other products; people don't seem to mind paying Comcast $43/mo for CDV just to have a nice, neat little bundle so why should the at&t sheep be any different)? | |
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join:2004-02-20
Apex, NC
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| Re: Lets see... OK, I know I'm arguing a pretty small point, but UVV is priced about the same as most cable digital phone offerings at $40/mo.
But on the main point, I do think ATT should continue to offer a less expensive VoIP product that comes without the (at least implied) SLA, due to phone traffic being kept separate from internet traffic. I've been using CallVantage on my 3M (then upgraded to 5M, now 7M)/384k upload cable service, and I've never had any complaints. The few glitches I've had have primarily been with dying ATA equipment (I've had 2 of 'em quit on me). | |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Re: Lets see... Unfortunately, at&t doesn't think a $12billion/yr profit is enough. | |
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TKJunkMail
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| Re: Lets see... said by mod_wastrel :Unfortunately, at&t doesn't think a $12billion/yr profit is enough. With the HUGE companies that now exist due to globalization, it is NOT the amount of the profit that is relevant. It is the percentage of profit to revenues that determines a businesses worth to stockholders. And claiming a business is ripping off the customers based purely on total profit dollars is naive and mistaken.
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mod_wastrel
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| Re: Lets see... Being a customer is also a form of investment. Customers pour considerably more money into a business than stockholders (are you one perchance?).
I made no claims regarding a rip-off, but I don't care how you look at it: $12billion/yr in profit is excessive no matter how "global" you are, especially for a corporation that continues to raise its rates more so than its competitors.
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