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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
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Re: Lets see...
and as far as i know TWC does NOT offer battery back-up built in. they did at one time but had a problem and took them all out.
When i lived in Fremont OH my DP never had a backup. and if you didnt have a MOT eMTA you'd have problems with the SAs. |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
 ·magicjack.com
| reply to TKJunkMail
Being a customer is also a form of investment. Customers pour considerably more money into a business than stockholders (are you one perchance?).
I made no claims regarding a rip-off, but I don't care how you look at it: $12billion/yr in profit is excessive no matter how "global" you are, especially for a corporation that continues to raise its rates more so than its competitors.
Fortunately, I'm neither an at&t customer nor an investor. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to mod_wastrel
said by mod_wastrel  :Unfortunately, at&t doesn't think a $12billion/yr profit is enough. With the HUGE companies that now exist due to globalization, it is NOT the amount of the profit that is relevant. It is the percentage of profit to revenues that determines a businesses worth to stockholders. And claiming a business is ripping off the customers based purely on total profit dollars is naive and mistaken.
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | reply to Fisamo
Unfortunately, at&t doesn't think a $12billion/yr profit is enough. |
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Fisamo
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Apex, NC
·VOIPo
·AT&T CallVantage
| reply to KrK
OK, I know I'm arguing a pretty small point, but UVV is priced about the same as most cable digital phone offerings at $40/mo.
But on the main point, I do think ATT should continue to offer a less expensive VoIP product that comes without the (at least implied) SLA, due to phone traffic being kept separate from internet traffic. I've been using CallVantage on my 3M (then upgraded to 5M, now 7M)/384k upload cable service, and I've never had any complaints. The few glitches I've had have primarily been with dying ATA equipment (I've had 2 of 'em quit on me). |
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TomMac
Premium
join:2008-03-23
Dayton, OH | reply to en102
I do not know about Canada but in the US the Time-Warner cable phone service is not VOIP. It is a proprietary digital phone service. There is a difference.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to djrobx
AT&T must be really hurting for business in Detroit (auto industry is pretty much a dead business around Detroit right now, and its not the most desirable city to live in - HIGH unemployment area)
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
 ·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
| reply to en102
It's still a dumb move.
Why not just get a wireless plan. AT&T should offer a cheap VOIP service. U-Verse Voice etc etc costs more then wireless or Cable competitors.
AT&T should stick with a reliable VOIP at low prices. They won't, however. |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | reply to Ual
Yep, anyone who gets HSI (with or without CDV) and doesn't use a UPS with their cable modem or eMTA (and, of course, their computer) pretty much deserves what they get when the power goes out. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | reply to morbo
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | reply to djrobx
that true? |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
1 edit | reply to en102
Except in Detroit, where U-verse Voice is offered at $20.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to priller
said by priller :said by dadkins :Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will! CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not. No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/ CDV doesn't need modem or internet. CDV does work in a power outage. Hold the phone! Let's get the facts right. I have a UPS on my Comcast modem and third-party ATA. When the power goes out, I'm still working. CDV needs the eMTA ... what do you think that is!!! What do I think it is? An eMTA.
There is no UPS here, the ARIS eMTA has it's own battery - just like my laptops.
The eMTA does NOT power anything else - not even it's own HSI modem!
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to en102
Define "modem"
The ARRIS is an eMTA(enhanced multimedia terminal adapter).
When a power-outage happens, the "modem" side of it is dead but the phone side works.
CDV does not rely on the HSI to operate and no "modem" is active - no HSI.
Sure, with a UPS, you can probably get the other VoIP services to work, but many/most people with CDV or VoIP services do not have a UPS lighting up... anything.
Last power "interruption" we had, CDV worked fine. 
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Ual
@bellsouth.net
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said by djrobx :Funny - without CDV availability, Comcast's node and other cable equipment probably wouldn't be battery backed, and you'd be SOL in a power outage anyway! -- Rob I've had battery backups for a long time (just plain good idea for your computer equipment) and the node's had battery backups long before they started offering CDV anywhere. Power can be a tricky thing - you can have power and the neighbors across the street not. Imagine if your Comcast would have always gone out if anywhere between them and you SOMEBODY somewhere didn't have power. |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
·magicjack.com
| reply to en102
Of course, CallVantage is/was available in non-at&t/AT&T service areas, so they are/were taking business away from other providers and not from their other telephony products. Why shouldn't they change to just offering it outside their own areas instead of altogether (to avoid competing with their other products; people don't seem to mind paying Comcast $43/mo for CDV just to have a nice, neat little bundle so why should the at&t sheep be any different)? |
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jt4
@comcast.net
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dadkins
| reply to TKJunkMail
but comcast cdv does not go thought public internet service. it goes thought there own network.. Comcast has more control over the service then like vonage. comcast cdv has normal 911 service other voip do not. comcast cdv work for alarms or voip dont. so people are paying a little bit more for more feature and benefits |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to morbo
Uverse VoIP is already more expensive than traditional VoIP, and is only available bundled, in SOME of the few markets that AT&T offers Uverse (i.e. Not Los Angeles).
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
3 edits | reply to en102
Not too surprising for DSL - Unless you're on an RT, there's no active equipment between you and the CO that needs powering. And I assume COs are very well poised to maintain power during a power outage.
RTs are, again, tied to voice services, so those are also surely designed to run during a power outage.
Cable has a lot of active equipment between the end user and the plant that needs powering. I remember back when I had MediaOne (no phone services offered), whenever there was a power outage, there was a predictable amount of time it took for their data services to come back up once power was restored. It was sort of like waiting for their computers to boot-up!
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IfIwere
@swbell.net
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If I were to guess I would say when Uverse voice gets a bring your own broadband option that they will price it closer to what is in the market at that time for similar services. Just a guess but to me that makes sense. I also expect prices of the bundled packages to get better too as more people get on the network and they start to get some ROI. Historically DSL prices did the exact same thing. |
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