Kearnstd
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Re: comcast issued a letter to me part 2
i dont really feel guilt about TV show downloading, network shows atleast are already free to the viewer. downloading is no different then recording off an HD antenna feed to an HTPC.
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sturmvogel
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| reply to p2pThief
said by p2pThief :said by sturmvogel  :To see how stupid this is. You have a car that you bought. Someone passes by the street and drawns then makes an exact copy of it, then drives away in "his" copy. Have you lost anything ? Has the original manufacturer of the car lost anything ? People that make movies/music/software are entitled to compensation for their work. People may think the price is too high but no one is being forced to buy it and we certainly don't have the right to copy and distribute their work. While copyright infringement may not technically be theft, it certainly results in theft of income for the artist or programmer. Still not convinced? Take a $20 bill and make a few hundred copies of it and then pass them at your local convenience store. It's your $20, right? You should be able to copy it right? You haven't stolen anything, right? Sounds legal to me. So go try it and let us know how it works for you.  Counterfeiting money falls under a different set of laws.
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sturmvogel
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| reply to p2pThief
said by p2pThief :said by sturmvogel :To see how stupid this is. You have a car that you bought. Someone passes by the street and drawns then makes an exact copy of it, then drives away in "his" copy. Have you lost anything ? Has the original manufacturer of the car lost anything ? People that make movies/music/software are entitled to compensation for their work. People may think the price is too high but no one is being forced to buy it and we certainly don't have the right to copy and distribute their work. While copyright infringement may not technically be theft, it certainly results in theft of income for the artist or programmer. Still not convinced? Take a $20 bill and make a few hundred copies of it and then pass them at your local convenience store. It's your $20, right? You should be able to copy it right? You haven't stolen anything, right? Sounds legal to me. So go try it and let us know how it works for you. It is not "theft of income". That would be if the p2p downloader would copy the data to a CD and then SELL that CD for money. In that case the income that should have gone to the copyright OWNER (in many case NOT the same as the artist) would go to the infringer. Very different scenario.
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aaronwt
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said by robl27 :he got caught because a bot tracked his IP. if he used peerguardan » phoenixlabs.org/pg2/he would have protected himself and thous probably would have never happen. this is all about greed pure and simple. you people who say "don't steal music/movies" well go ahead and get ripped off when you buy a cd or movie. cd's shouldn't have to cost anymore then $10.00. you people need to understand why this is happening. control pure and simple. -Rob Why buy a CD. I can legally download the digital version of the entire CD for only $6 or $7.
I use the ZUne marketplace and only pay betwen $10 and $15 for 1600 MS points which further reduces my cost since I never pay retail prices for the points.
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NormanS
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| reply to 81399672
said by 81399672 : He/she is not stealing anything, they are borrowing. Like "borrowing" a car with the keys in the ignition, and the engine running?
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NormanS
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| reply to Kearnstd
How many commercials were included in that .mkv file you downloaded? Big difference between watching OTA broadcast and downloading an unauthorized distribution of a show.
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81399672
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| reply to NormanS
said by NormanS :said by 81399672 : He/she is not stealing anything, they are borrowing. Like "borrowing" a car with the keys in the ignition, and the engine running? Exactly. |
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NormanS
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| I am sorry. Without any sarcasm tags, or smileys, I can't tell if you are serious, or "tongue-in-cheek". Last I heard, a "borrower" of a car, with the keys left in the ignition, and the motor running, can still be charged with "grand theft, auto", if the "borrower" does not have the explicit permission of the "lender".
I am not aware that anybody has ever been charged with anything at all, legally, for downloading; unless it is child porn, or similar. I have heard of people facing complaints for unauthorized distribution; but not criminal complaints.
So I just think that, in this case, the car analogy is pretty poor.
However, from my perspective, if it isn't worth paying to obtain the DVD copy, it isn't worth downloading.
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hotty198
join:2003-06-26
Palm Beach Gardens, FL
| reply to hotty198
you guys are really getting off on a tangent here with legalities. no I havent been conctacted by mpaa or riaa or fbi or cia.
i just wanted to know if peerguardian is worth the trouble and also encryption of torrents.
it doesnt sound too hard to bypass these protection methods if they really want to report ya. |
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MichaelWesten
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| reply to Amiller86
said by Amiller86 :Your argument assumes a p2p user downloads a movie or what have you and then sells it for money, copying a bill and then using it to purchase something. Come up with a argument that is not flawed. Makes no difference whether you give the copy away or sell it, you are still harming the artist. Get it?
If you are still confused, start printing money and giving it away. Drop some counterfeit money off at the local bank or better yet, stop in at your local FBI office and give 'em a few grand.
Let us know how it goes, ok? |
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wenter99
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| reply to hotty198
Big Brother is watching out for this kind of stuff now. You've been warned, so you'd better stop it or you'll be complaining about a bigger problem here later.
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Nerdtalker
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With all due respect to others staying otherwise, those letters still mean very very little in the way of actual conversions to full-on lawsuits for infringing material; Comcast passes out a huge number of them a day and very few of them (if any) really ever result in any legal recourse.
What I'm saying is entirely benign from a piracy/P2P standpoint; it's just the fact of the matter.
Comcast passes those letters on merely to keep the MPAA/RIAA (MAFIAA/MediaDefender much?) at bay. Responding or even making mention of the note only implies guilt in this circumstance. Just delete it and forget that it ever happened. Then go online and try to get into a good, secure, real private tracker and sleep easier at night.
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said by NormanS :I don't run without AV, but I do run without PG. I am not downloading anything covered by RIAA/MPAA copyrights, anyway. Me neither -- so try my suggestion. Running PG, turn on logging of denied connections, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The MPAA/RIAA (embodied by anti-p2p "services") affect the innocent in a big way.
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NormanS
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| said by funchords :Me neither -- so try my suggestion. Running PG, turn on logging of denied connections, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The MPAA/RIAA (embodied by anti-p2p "services") affect the innocent in a big way. So how would I know that what is showing up in the logs are actually "bad" IP addresses? And how would running yet another application (using more of my resources) offset whatever ill effects of MPAA/RIAA would have on my connection?
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hotty198
join:2003-06-26
Palm Beach Gardens, FL
| reply to hotty198
finding a private tracker is really hard. and hard to stay on if you download big files.
so peer guardian might do more harm then good right? meaning its probably blocking good ips and maybe allowing some bad ones still?
what exactly will outgoing torrent encryption do? is it only useful for hiding stuff from your isp? |
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1 edit | You are really taking this discussion far beyond the scope of this forum or even the topic. To discuss filesharing software, please start a new topic here ---> »Filesharing Software
You probably should check out the forum rules before posting ---> »Posting Rules - Filesharing Software
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