hotty198
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Palm Beach Gardens, FL
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Re: Another bandwidth limits abuse discussion sorry about that. I originally thought it was because the "amount" . and its really just borrowing because Im not even keeping this lame movie. I wanted the 1976 one not this load of turds.
So Im sorry to report I have no idea what my bandwidth limits are now. as I have not violated them...yet
This notice has me scared to death about being sued by the mpaa. I think Im going to leave the country tommorrow and live in a cave. |
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1 edit | said by hotty198:sorry about that. I originally thought it was because the "amount" . and its really just borrowing because Im not even keeping this lame movie. I wanted the 1976 one not this load of turds. So Im sorry to report I have no idea what my bandwidth limits are now. as I have not violated them...yet This notice has me scared to death about being sued by the mpaa. I think Im going to leave the country tommorrow and live in a cave with the towel heads. As for finding out what your bandwith limits are. Keep it under 150GB a month and police yourself.
Put this on your router to monitor all BW activity: »www.polarcloud.com/tomato
Put this on your computers to see what each is doing:
»www.dumeter.com/
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»www.metal-machine.de/readerror/
The rest is up to you. |
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hotty198
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Palm Beach Gardens, FL | ok thankyou chris313 for that info. I will try it out. Im pretty sure I didnt touch 150GB/month or even come close. |
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Re: comcast issued a letter to me part 2 said by Chris 313:said by hotty198:sorry about that. I originally thought it was because the "amount" . and its really just borrowing because Im not even keeping this lame movie. I wanted the 1976 one not this load of turds. So Im sorry to report I have no idea what my bandwidth limits are now. as I have not violated them...yet This notice has me scared to death about being sued by the mpaa. I think Im going to leave the country tommorrow and live in a cave with the towel heads. As for finding out what your bandwith limits are. Keep it under 150GB a month and police yourself. Put this on your router to monitor all BW activity: » www.polarcloud.com/tomatoPut this on your computers to see what each is doing: » www.dumeter.com/or » www.metal-machine.de/readerror/The rest is up to you. Copyright infringement is not theft, it is copyright infringement. Repeating this will not make it true.
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hotty198
join:2003-06-26
Palm Beach Gardens, FL
2 edits | im assuming when you say repeating "this" meaning saying its stealing right? infringment does not = theft
anybody ever get reported while running peer guardian and using a torrent application? |
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1 edit | said by hotty198:im assuming when you say repeating "this" meaning saying its stealing right? infringment does not = theft anybody ever get reported while running peer guardian and using a torrent application? Copyright infringement is distributing stuff without the copyright's owner permission.
Theft is taking from someone something depriving them of the usage of said object/money.
When you copy a song/movie, the original copy is still in the possesion of the owner. The only thing you deprived him of is the POTENTIAL of a sale.
Old argument.
Repeating that copying/downloading is "stealing" is a trick that draconian law proponents wish to make a civil offense into a criminal one, putting the enforcement on the government and the cost on all of us.
To see how stupid this is. You have a car that you bought. Someone passes by the street and drawns then makes an exact copy of it, then drives away in "his" copy.
Have you lost anything ? Has the original manufacturer of the car lost anything ?
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hotty198
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Palm Beach Gardens, FL
1 edit | what about peer guardian? will this help at all? or do they(agents or whoever they are) have ways around peer guardian?
that comparison seems a little left field. but in actuality if someone patents a certain design you cant just go out and copy it right? not legally. even though they pretty much do. its a cut throat business world out there. |
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1 edit | said by hotty198:what about peer guardian? will this help at all? or do they(agents or whoever they are) have ways around peer guardian? that comparison seems a little left field. but in actuality if someone patents a certain design you cant just go out and copy it right? not legally. even though they pretty much do. its a cut throat business world out there. You absolutely can copy a patented design and experiment with it, that's what patents are for -- to advance scientific knowledge. But the patent assignees have certain exclusive rights to market their invention for the term of the patent.
And to answer your Peer Guardian question, I wouldn't do any P2P without it. It's a fact that Media Defender and Media Sentry and the like interfere with people who are completely authorized to distribute everything that they are transferring (just try it and look at your logs!). The IP ranges for anti-P2P are always a little bit behind the times, just like virus definition files are only as good as the last discovered virus. But you don't let that fact keep you from running AV software, do you?
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said by hotty198:im assuming when you say repeating "this" meaning saying its stealing right? infringment does not = theft anybody ever get reported while running peer guardian and using a torrent application? Yes.
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said by hotty198:what about peer guardian? will this help at all? or do they(agents or whoever they are) have ways around peer guardian? "Peer Guardian" is a list of IP addresses suspect to be used by agents of the RIAA/MPAA in seeking out uploading peers. "Peer Guardian" has been know to offer both false positives (blocking IP addresses not being used by those agents) and false negatives (not blocking IP addresses used by those agents).
Yes, the agent have a way around "Peer Guardian". They get their own copy, find out which IP addresses are in the list, and stop using those IP addresses. They just sign up for services offering as yet unlisted IP addresses. It is a "Cat and Mouse" game. Your only hope to avoid infringement letters is to not infringe.
that comparison seems a little left field. but in actuality if someone patents a certain design you cant just go out and copy it right? not legally. even though they pretty much do. its a cut throat business world out there.
Copying is not, necessarily, infringement. I rip music CDs all of the time. What I do not do is make my folders of CD rips available for public download. Not even as a "read only broadcast". The most you can ever find out about my rips is what I am playing (using those slick IM plug-ins which announce the name of the song I am listening to).
The RIAA would like to make all rips illegal, but, AFAIK, using rips to transfer data to playable media, as long as I am not selling, or otherwise "making available" the tunes, is not unauthorized. Nobody can use my computer while I am away from it. So the only time my rips are actually "available" is where ever I have the hardware to play the media myself.
FWIW, I have downloaded the following copyrighted material which was not authorized:
A.D. Police, "The Ripper", 12 tracks.
Maison Ikkoku "Extra Tracks Vol. 1", 17 tracks.
Maison Ikkoku "Extra Tracks Vol. 2", 17 tracks.
All three are out of print. I scoured the Internet, and local shops, looking for these items. The copyright holders are Japanese companies, which have not seen fit to reprint them, that I can tell. I am not looking as hard for them as I was; but, when I find the CDs, I will buy them.
All other copyrighted songs I have downloaded from the Internet are paid for. I don't mean I have downloaded copies of CDs I already own; I rip those. I utilized an offer by a company to download 99 tunes free, in a thirty-day trial period, and exercised my privilege to cancel the service before the first bill was due.
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said by funchords:But you don't let that fact keep you from running AV software, do you? I don't run without AV, but I do run without PG. I am not downloading anything covered by RIAA/MPAA copyrights, anyway. What I do download is in an interesting "grey area". Techinically, a violation of copyright law; fansubbed anime has not been heavily policed by the Japanese copyright holders. Most fansubbers immediately honor takedown notices. While some titles are licensed for U.S. distribution almost right out of the gate, many take years of negotiating to acquire U.S. licensing rights.
Personally, if a show is licensed for U.S. distribution, I won't touch it. Rather, I will apply the $25 a month, or so, I save by using slow, cheap DSL over speedy, expensive cable HSI toward the purchase of the better shows from the likes of, "The Right Stuf International".
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said by sturmvogel:To see how stupid this is. You have a car that you bought. Someone passes by the street and drawns then makes an exact copy of it, then drives away in "his" copy. Have you lost anything ? Has the original manufacturer of the car lost anything ? People that make movies/music/software are entitled to compensation for their work. People may think the price is too high but no one is being forced to buy it and we certainly don't have the right to copy and distribute their work. While copyright infringement may not technically be theft, it certainly results in theft of income for the artist or programmer.
Still not convinced? Take a $20 bill and make a few hundred copies of it and then pass them at your local convenience store. It's your $20, right? You should be able to copy it right? You haven't stolen anything, right? Sounds legal to me.
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1 edit | Your argument assumes a p2p user downloads a movie or what have you and then sells it for money, copying a bill and then using it to purchase something. Come up with a argument that is not flawed. |
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1 edit | he got caught because a bot tracked his IP. if he used peerguardan
»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
he would have protected himself and thous probably would have never happen.
this is all about greed pure and simple. you people who say "don't steal music/movies" well go ahead and get ripped off when you buy a cd or movie. cd's shouldn't have to cost anymore then $10.00.
you people need to understand why this is happening. control pure and simple.
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said by p2pThief :said by sturmvogel:To see how stupid this is. You have a car that you bought. Someone passes by the street and drawns then makes an exact copy of it, then drives away in "his" copy. Have you lost anything ? Has the original manufacturer of the car lost anything ? People that make movies/music/software are entitled to compensation for their work. People may think the price is too high but no one is being forced to buy it and we certainly don't have the right to copy and distribute their work. While copyright infringement may not technically be theft, it certainly results in theft of income for the artist or programmer. Still not convinced? Take a $20 bill and make a few hundred copies of it and then pass them at your local convenience store. It's your $20, right? You should be able to copy it right? You haven't stolen anything, right? Sounds legal to me. So go try it and let us know how it works for you. Counterfeiting money falls under a different set of laws.
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said by p2pThief :said by sturmvogel:To see how stupid this is. You have a car that you bought. Someone passes by the street and drawns then makes an exact copy of it, then drives away in "his" copy. Have you lost anything ? Has the original manufacturer of the car lost anything ? People that make movies/music/software are entitled to compensation for their work. People may think the price is too high but no one is being forced to buy it and we certainly don't have the right to copy and distribute their work. While copyright infringement may not technically be theft, it certainly results in theft of income for the artist or programmer. Still not convinced? Take a $20 bill and make a few hundred copies of it and then pass them at your local convenience store. It's your $20, right? You should be able to copy it right? You haven't stolen anything, right? Sounds legal to me. So go try it and let us know how it works for you. It is not "theft of income". That would be if the p2p downloader would copy the data to a CD and then SELL that CD for money. In that case the income that should have gone to the copyright OWNER (in many case NOT the same as the artist) would go to the infringer. Very different scenario.
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3 edits | reply to Rob_
said by Rob_:he got caught because a bot tracked his IP. if he used peerguardan » phoenixlabs.org/pg2/he would have protected himself and thous probably would have never happen. this is all about greed pure and simple. you people who say "don't steal music/movies" well go ahead and get ripped off when you buy a cd or movie. cd's shouldn't have to cost anymore then $10.00. you people need to understand why this is happening. control pure and simple. -Rob Why buy a CD. I can legally download the digital version of the entire CD for only $6 or $7.
I use the ZUne marketplace and only pay betwen $10 and $15 for 1600 MS points which further reduces my cost since I never pay retail prices for the points.
After buying CDs from 1985 to 2007 I have no desire to ever purchase one again. |
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said by Amiller86:Your argument assumes a p2p user downloads a movie or what have you and then sells it for money, copying a bill and then using it to purchase something. Come up with a argument that is not flawed. Makes no difference whether you give the copy away or sell it, you are still harming the artist. Get it?
If you are still confused, start printing money and giving it away. Drop some counterfeit money off at the local bank or better yet, stop in at your local FBI office and give 'em a few grand.
Let us know how it goes, ok? |
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said by NormanS:I don't run without AV, but I do run without PG. I am not downloading anything covered by RIAA/MPAA copyrights, anyway. Me neither -- so try my suggestion. Running PG, turn on logging of denied connections, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The MPAA/RIAA (embodied by anti-p2p "services") affect the innocent in a big way.
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| said by funchords:Me neither -- so try my suggestion. Running PG, turn on logging of denied connections, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The MPAA/RIAA (embodied by anti-p2p "services") affect the innocent in a big way. So how would I know that what is showing up in the logs are actually "bad" IP addresses? And how would running yet another application (using more of my resources) offset whatever ill effects of MPAA/RIAA would have on my connection?
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