tschmidt
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Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel??
Dry loop ADSL is just regular ADSL but without a connection to Central Office telephone switch.
I'm a little vague about how your building is configured. Phone company responsibility ends at the Demarc, normally placed in the basement of large buildings. From there is is the tenet/building owner's responsibility to cable to the desired location unless the building owners has some sort of contract with local Telco.
You need to find out where demarc will be located. Then you need to find out how to cable from demarc ADSL modem. If there are extra pairs in the building it may be just a matter of making a few cross-connects.
The phone line interface is going to be a regular RJ-11 except it will not have dial tone on it.
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fatmanskinny
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| Thanks for your input. Ok, I think I got it.
1) I need to find where the demarc is.
2) A dry loop is just a phone line without dial tone.
Here is another question:
Will the phone company more than likely have an RJ11 jack at the demarc (where their work terminates) and our vendor will simply extend it from there OR will it more than likely be punched to a wiring block in the demarc, for which the wiring vendor will bring it to our floor and into the office terminating at an RJ11 port on the wall?
I think this is the final piece of the picture I am missing and once this is explained, I can move forward on Monday in confidence. Thanks.
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tschmidt
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| said by fatmanskinny  :Will the phone company more than likely have an RJ11 jack at the demarc (where their work terminates) and our vendor will simply extend it from there OR will it more than likely be punched to a wiring block in the demarc, for which the wiring vendor will bring it to our floor and into the office terminating at an RJ11 port on the wall? Termination at Demarc is not an RJ-11 jack it is a pair of terminals to terminate Customer Provided Equipment (CPE). Typically for residential customer's this is a set of screw terminals, for commercial building's it is punch down block.
RJ-11 jack is used as a test port for residential customer's but that is not the means to terminate inside wiring.
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fatmanskinny
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| Got it. So ultimately, our wiring vendor has to bring it from the demarc to an RJ11 in our room.
If I am not mistaken, that is how our fax line was brought on the floor, so to speak. It was ran from the demarc point (1st floor) to the second floor and then the wiring vendor "patched" it into a phone jack out on the floor.
It makes sense now. Tom, thanks for hanging in there with me. This was a brain stretcher and I now realize you cannot limit yourself to computers when in IT because stuff like this require some telecom knowledge.
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bogey780
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said by tschmidt :Dry loop ADSL is just regular ADSL but without a connection to Central Office telephone switch. Legacy Bellsouth has dialtone on it. |
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Claybraker
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Dry Loop DSL is a misnomer in AT&T SE, as it will have a dial tone, although one that can't be used for anything but ANAC.
Typically, the line will be punched down on an RJ-21 block at the demarc, and labeled with the associated phone #. Then your wiring vendor can take it from there, just like any other phone line.
Probably too late to mention it, but it's like really helpful and stuff if the AT&T installer has a good contact number on the Service Order. Somebody that has an idea of what they want, and isn't on vacation that week.
A valid SO and a working contact number, most of the time we can make it happen. |
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joako
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| said by Claybraker :Dry Loop DSL is a misnomer in AT&T SE, as it will have a dial tone, although one that can't be used for anything but ANAC. What do you dial for ANAC?
Op: The DSL line will be exactly as the fax line. You can plug an RJ11 cable into the RJ45 jack with no issues, other than potential damange to the jack, it will work fine for any RJ11 but if you try to use it with an 8P8C ("RJ45") in the future it might need to be replaced, since you have a vendor that does all your wiring I wouldn't worry. If I was doing the wiring I would create a patch cord with an RJ11 on one end for the DSL modem and an 8P8C on the other end to go into the wall.
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matt498
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| said by joako : What do you dial for ANAC? Sorry ANAC numbers are proprietary info... |
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alphapointe
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| ANAC numbers aren't proprietary. Call AT&T's engineering dept / telco support and they will tell you. Here in Columbia the number is 530. When you ask for test numbers, they will also give you a milliwatt tone number that gives you a 1000hz tone at 0DB to test equipment. |
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bogey780
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Here | Techs don't need hobbyists and competitors busying out their lines. |
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Claybraker
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said by joako :What do you dial for ANAC? RCL->9 on my Butt Set.
HTH. |
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Buttset
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1 edit | RCL -> 1 on my ButtSet!! |
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joako
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said by bogey780 :Techs don't need hobbyists and competitors busying out their lines. Thanks for the help. I'll keep on using the "TPI Automated Test line" in Miami, that 1) is limited to a single call at once, 2) Always does a callback, even if it's long distance.
Heck let me call it a few times right now, just for the hell of it.
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fatmanskinny
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Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? I would think a butt set would be a pair of butt cheeks. Oh well.... 
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Claybraker
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| said by fatmanskinny :Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? Not sure on the origin, but I found this little gem:
"The units have alligator clips that latch onto phone lines at punch blocks and telephone jacks allowing the technician to make or monitor (butt in on) telephone calls."
»encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Butt+set
Seems plausible, but maybe someone else can shed more light on the etymology.
Not meaning to hijack the thread or anything, but how did the meeting go today with your wiring vendor? |
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fatmanskinny
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|  Actually, you are staying on topic. The rest of us have veered off. 
What we decided to do is let AT&T bring a dry loop into the demarc location on the 1st floor. Management, wisely, does not want to run DSL over the only analog line we have, which is a fax line.
Then, our wiring vendor will take the line from the demarc location and run it up to our wiring closet on the 2nd floor and terminate it in our room at a new RJ11 outlet.
Right now, I am waiting for the AT&T rep to call me back so I can get a final total for installation - probably none since we are not using AT&T for a professional installation - activation and equipment charges.
If I remember correctly, dry loop is $10 more a month.
Once we get that, I will present to management for approval and once approved, we will set up billing and we should be rockin and rollin about 5 business days from that day.
Thanks for asking.
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Claybraker
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| Sounds like a plan.
From our end, there's going to be 2 Service Orders issued. First is an N order to establish the new service, then a C order to connect the DSL on the loop.
Most of the time both Service Orders are worked at the same time, but not always.
Forgot to mention that it's like real helpful if the contact number on the SO knows somebody that can provide access to the phone room. |
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fatmanskinny
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| said by Claybraker :Forgot to mention that it's like real helpful if the contact number on the SO knows somebody that can provide access to the phone room. Luckily, the building security that AT&T will see when they come has access to the phone room so they will be able to let him in.
Also, my contact info will be on the order just in case he has any issues with getting access.
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Buttset
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>> Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? I would think a butt set would be a pair of butt cheeks. Oh well....>>
It's simple. It hangs off your butt! (When clipped to your tool belt) |
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NetFixer
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| said by Buttset :>> Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? I would think a butt set would be a pair of butt cheeks. Oh well....>> It's simple. It hangs off your butt! (When clipped to your tool belt) And for those who require visual aids, here is a classic example:
Buttset on the butt
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