 AxillaFinger, FingerPremium,Mod join:2001-03-26 Schofield, WI Host: Mediacom Weather
| [SWX] TS Fay WTNT41 KNHC 160239 TCDAT1 TROPICAL STORM FAY DISCUSSION NUMBER 2 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062008 1100 PM EDT FRI AUG 15 2008
WE KNOW THAT THE CENTER OF FAY IS SOMEWHERE OVER HISPANIOLA AND THE IMMEDIATE UNKNOWN IS HOW MUCH OF FAY WILL EMERGE OVER THE CARIBBEAN WATERS IN ABOUT 12 HOUR OR SO. BY LOOKING AT THE IMPRESSIVE SATELLITE PRESENTATION WITH DEEP CONVECTION...OUTFLOW IN ALL QUADRANTS AND THE STEADY WESTWARD MOTION...IT IS FAIR TO ASSUME THAT FAY COULD SURVIVE THE HIGH MOUNTAINS OF HISPANIOLA AND MOVE ...ALTHOUGH WEAKER...OVER THE GULF OF GONAVE SATURDAY MORNING. IF SO...A NEW PROCESS OF INTENSIFICATION SHOULD BEGIN SINCE THE SHEAR IS LIGHT AND THE WATERS ARE VERY WARM SOUTH OF CUBA. ONLY THE INTERACTION WITH THE HIGH TERRAIN OF EASTERN CUBA WOULD IMPEDE STRENGTHENING. IN FACT...MOST OF THE INTENSITY GUIDANCE SUGGESTS STRENGTHENING WITH THE HWRF BEING THE MOST AGGRESSIVE...MAKING FAY A STRONG HURRICANE SOUTH OF CUBA AND EVEN A STRONGER ONE OVER THE EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO AFTER CROSSING CUBA. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS MORE CONSERVATIVE AND CALLS FOR A GRADUAL STRENGTHENING BUT SHOWS A LITTLE MORE INTENSIFICATION THAN THE PREVIOUS FORECAST SIMPLY BECAUSE FAY IS EXPECTED TO STAY LONGER OVER WATER IN THIS FORECAST.
BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE CENTER IS...THE INITIAL MOTION IS HIGHLY UNCERTAIN. THE BEST ESTIMATE OF THE INITIAL MOTION USING CONTINUITY AND THE MOTION OF THE OVERALL CLOUD MASS IS 275 DEGREES AT 12 KNOTS. FAY IS FORECAST TO MOVE ON THIS GENERAL TRACK FOR THE NEXT DAY OR SO AROUND THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE CENTERED OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC. BUT IN 2 OR 3 DAYS...A MID-LEVEL TROUGH IS FORECAST TO REACH THE GULF OF MEXICO ERODING THE RIDGE. THIS PATTERN SHOULD FORCE FAY TO TAKE A MORE NORTHWESTERLY AND NORTH-NORTHWESTERLY TRACK ACROSS CENTRAL CUBA AND THE EXTREME EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO. ONE SHOULD MENTION HERE THAT IN GENERAL...MOST OF THE GUIDANCE HAS SHIFTED WESTWARD AND THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE ENVELOPE. BEFORE I AM COMMITTED TO SHIFT THE TRACK FARTHER WEST...I WOULD RATHER WAIT TO SEE IF GUIDANCE BECOMES MORE STABLE FROM ONE RUN TO THE NEXT.
IN SUMMARY...BOTH OFFICIAL FORECAST AND GUIDANCE SHOW AN INTENSIFYING TROPICAL CYCLONE MOVING ACROSS CENTRAL CUBA AND INTO THE EXTREME SOUTHEASTERN GULF OF MEXICO. WE MUST PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE EVOLUTION OF THIS TROPICAL CYCLONE.
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
INITIAL 16/0300Z 18.7N 70.8W 40 KT 12HR VT 16/1200Z 18.8N 72.9W 35 KT 24HR VT 17/0000Z 19.3N 75.5W 40 KT 36HR VT 17/1200Z 20.0N 77.8W 50 KT...NEAR COAST OF CUBA 48HR VT 18/0000Z 21.0N 79.5W 60 KT 72HR VT 19/0000Z 24.0N 81.5W 70 KT 96HR VT 20/0000Z 27.5N 83.0W 75 KT 120HR VT 21/0000Z 31.0N 84.0W 40 KT...INLAND
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 Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 CPremium join:2000-07-13 Key West, FL kudos:1 4 edits | AS far as here its not goimng to happen though this chart days out may seem so
Since KW bulls eye...Continually sliding to the west as this characture low intensity (even Ivan the supposed Terrible much worrse) has... a minimal a storm is not going to want to cross mountainous Cuba we are politicaly told to hate, but geologically glad its there... unless it really intensifies it will continue to slide west and go up the slot... What happens in the GFulf well north of us who knows at this point... but be very surprised if this trach doesn;t continue to slide west around Cuba.
May look like it now... but you really wast to bet a very sub hurricane storm is going to cross Cuba... we may get much needed rain but very much doubt it will be a major storm.... up the Gulf maybe but not here.
Even this track it headed for Ft Jeff (60 mi west... that last dot) not KW and will head more west as it progresses.--
What convinced me IVAN wouldn't come here... much more intense but same kind of track.... it steped south of Jamaca let alone Cuba... and again went up the slot and hit the Pensacola/AL/MS areas
An then Fox sent Geroldo here... now how much more could you guaratee the failure of anything. -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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 pcdebbRIP dadkinsPremium join:2000-12-03 Brandon, FL kudos:4 | reply to Axilla keep moving west  |
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 MJimLayAKA FlexBaudPremium join:2004-10-06 Pensacola, FL kudos:2 | said by pcdebb:keep moving west NOOOOOOOOO!!!! We got enough from Ivan. O-well.. I don't care. Let it come here... It'll give me an excuse to move to Ohio and get the hell out of Florida. |
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 ghostpainterI Write for the ApocalypsePremium,MVM join:2002-05-25 Rancho Cucamonga, CA kudos:3 | reply to Axilla
Tropical Storm Fay Discussion Tropical Storm Fay Discussion Number 4
Statement as of 11:00 am EDT on August 16, 2008
visible satellite imagery shows that the center of Fay is now over water to the north of the southwestern peninsula of Haiti...with little organized convection near the center at this time. While the storm produced a large convective burst during the night over the water south of the peninsula...microwave imagery shows this burst was at the far end of a convective band and not directly associated with the center. Satellite intensity estimates from TAFB and SAB remain 35 kt...and the initial intensity remains 40 kt based on continuity from the last advisory. An Air Force Reserve hurricane hunter aircraft will investigate Fay around 18z to provide better data on the intensity and structure.
The initial motion is a somewhat uncertain 280/13. Fay remains on the south side of a low/mid-level ridge...with the large-scale models forecasting a weakness in the ridge over the eastern Gulf of Mexico or Florida that should allow Fay to turn toward the north-northwest or north after 36 hr. There is a large spread in the model guidance on when and how sharply Fay will turn. The ECMWF...Canadian...and NAM are farthest to the east...calling for Fay to move across Cuba to the southeastern coast of Florida. The GFDL is a little farther west. The GFS...HWRF...Florida state superensemble...and the consensus models forecast Fay to cross west central Cuba and make landfall along the southwest coast of Florida. The UKMET and GFDN are farther west...forecasting Fay to move toward the Florida Panhandle. The NOGAPS is the farthest west...forecasting Fay to move toward the northern Gulf Coast. Overall...the guidance envelope and the model consensus has shifted a little to the east since the last advisory. Thus...the new forecast track is nudged a bit to the east of the previous track after 48 hr. Everyone in the Florida Peninsula should monitor the progress of Fay...as most locations there have about the same chances of experiencing hurricane-force winds according to the NHC wind speed probability product.
When Fay is over water...it appears that atmospheric conditions will be favorable for strengthening through 72 hr. Thus...the intensity will be controlled by land interaction and the resulting impacts on the storm structure. All guidance forecasts strengthening...and the intensity forecast follows suit in best agreement with the SHIPS model. However...this is a low confidence intensity forecast. Fay could strengthen rapidly if it becomes well organized over water. On the other hand it might not strengthen much at all if land interaction prevents organization. -- My Bloggs, »www.insidetheie.com/ »earthlogii.blogspot.com/ »vietaffairsvets.blogspot.com/ A Forecaster for HinghamWX on EarthLogIIWX. Why is it that people who don't care about the weather are the first to bitch about it when it changes |
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Re: [SWX] TS Fay said by MJimLay: NOOOOOOOOO!!!! We got enough from Ivan. O-well.. But look at that pretty new bridge you got from Ivan, 6 lanes and everything. |
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A turn? When Fay ran into the hi pressure wall, it stopped her in her tracks. On the floater pic, check MSLP to see the pressure gradient. Now she's going to have to decide which way she wants to go. At least for now it's knocked quite a bit of convection off the top. |
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 HFB1217The WizardPremium,ExMod 2000-01 join:2000-06-26 Camelot kudos:1 | reply to Axilla
Re: [SWX] TS Fay 
Latest track |
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 EGeezerSummertimePremium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:7 | reply to Axilla Looks like it's time for Hayward, LilHurricane and other FL folks to eye the Home Depot supplies and stock up their emergency boxes. |
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 ghostpainterI Write for the ApocalypsePremium,MVM join:2002-05-25 Rancho Cucamonga, CA kudos:3 | I am watching the Bermuda high move to the west and the trough that is over the Panhandle of Florida is starting to lift out and this will allow another high to move into blocking position over Florida.
If this continues, New Orleans could again come into the line of possible landfalls. Multiple highs will shift as the low lifts out over the southeast carrying Fay them. If they move to far west look for Fay to continue west. The water is 90 degrees and the sheer will be minimal.
Tropical Storm Public Advisory
Statement as of 5:00 PM EDT on August 16, 2008
...Fay weaker but re-organizing south of eastern Cuba...new warnings and watches for Cuba...
at 5 PM EDT...2100 UTC...the government of Cuba has issued a Hurricane Watch for the provinces of Villa Clara...Cienfuegos...and Matanzas. A Hurricane Watch remains in effect for the Cuban provinces of Camaguey...Ciego de Avila...and Sancti Spiritus. A Hurricane Watch means that hurricane conditions are possible within the watch area...generally within 36 hours.
At 5 PM EDT...2100 UTC...the government of Cuba has issued a Tropical Storm Warning for the provinces of Ciego de Avila and Sancti Spiritus. A Tropical Storm Warning also remains in effect for the Cuban provinces of Camaguey...Las Tunas...Holguin... Granma...Santiago de Cuba...and Guantanamo. A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are expected within the warning area within the next 24 hours.
At 5 PM EDT...2100 UTC...the government of the Bahamas has canceled the Tropical Storm Warning for the Turks and Caicos Islands and the southeastern Bahamas. Also at 5 PM EDT...the Tropical Storm Warning for Haiti is canceled north of Port-au-Prince. A Tropical Storm Warning remains in effect for the southwestern peninsula of Haiti.
A tropical storm watch remains in effect for the central Bahamas... Jamaica...and the Cayman Islands.
Interests in western Cuba...the Florida Keys...and the Florida Peninsula should monitor the progress of this system.
For storm information specific to your area...including possible inland watches and warnings...please monitor products issued by your local weather office.
At 500 PM EDT...2100 UTC...the center of Tropical Storm Fay was located near latitude 19.3 north...longitude 75.2 west or about 225 miles...365 km...southeast of Camaguey Cuba and about 60 miles...100 km...south of Guantanamo Cuba.
Fay is moving toward the west near 16 mph...26 km/hr. A gradual turn toward the northwest with a decrease in forward speed is expected during the next couple of days. On this track...the center of Fay will be near or over the southern coast of eastern and central Cuba tonight and Sunday...and near or over western Cuba Sunday night or Monday.
Reports from an Air Force Reserve hurricane hunter aircraft indicate that Fay has weakened slightly. Maximum sustained winds are near 40 mph...65 km/hr...with higher gusts. Strengthening is forecast during the next couple of days...and Fay could be approaching hurricane strength as it nears western Cuba.
Tropical storm force winds extend outward up to 105 miles...165 km from the center.
The latest minimum central pressure reported by the hurricane hunter is 1006 mb...29.71 inches.
Tides of 1 to 3 feet feet above normal can be expected in the warning area in areas of onshore flow.
Fay is expected to produce total rainfall accumulations of 4 to 8 inches over Hispaniola...eastern and central Cuba...Jamaica...and the northern Cayman Islands...with isolated maximum amounts of 15 inches. These rains could produce life-threatening flash floods and mud slides. Rainfall accumulations of 2 to 4 inches are possible over Jamaica and the northern Cayman Islands...while rainfall accumulations of 1 to 3 inches are possible over the southeastern Bahamas.
Repeating the 500 PM EDT position...19.3 N...75.2 W. Movement toward...west near 16 mph. Maximum sustained winds...40 mph. Minimum central pressure...1006 mb.
An intermediate advisory will be issued by the National Hurricane Center at 800 PM EDT followed by the next complete advisory at 1100 PM EDT.
$$ Forecaster Beven
-- My Bloggs, »www.insidetheie.com/ »earthlogii.blogspot.com/ »vietaffairsvets.blogspot.com/ A Forecaster for HinghamWX on EarthLogIIWX. Why is it that people who don't care about the weather are the first to bitch about it when it changes |
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 lilhurricaneCrunchin' For CuresPremium,Mod join:2003-01-11 Purple Zone kudos:51 | reply to HFB1217 That is not looking good  |
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 SmokChsrWho let the magic smoke out?Premium join:2006-03-17 Saint Augustine, FL | LilH you need to stop doing those Hurricane dances.. |
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 lilhurricaneCrunchin' For CuresPremium,Mod join:2003-01-11 Purple Zone kudos:51 | ..but ..but  |
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 ghostpainterI Write for the ApocalypsePremium,MVM join:2002-05-25 Rancho Cucamonga, CA kudos:3 | Guidance models are suggesting that if Fay moves out over the Florida Straights she will straighten rapidly and coming ashore as a cat 1 Hurricane in the Largo Tampa Bay area then skirt the west coast all north towards the Florida Panhandle.
But if the storm stays over land then moves out into the Gulf around Wednesday then westerly sheer might affect its movements over Florida back out into the Atlantic. Thats running the BAMS and the Canadian Models together which at this time are the most Constance.
Two other low grade models suggest that if Fat stays over Cuba she will fall apart and not reorganize even if it moves into the Gulf. The other model suggests that if it moves north into the gulf, westerly sheer will block its west ward progress and shift it north towards New Orleans.
As you can see there are many possibilities over the next 72 hours. It all depends on Fay's shift to the south side of axis of storm center which is occurring now and if she can recover from that movement. -- My Bloggs, »www.insidetheie.com/ »earthlogii.blogspot.com/ »vietaffairsvets.blogspot.com/ A Forecaster for HinghamWX on EarthLogIIWX. Why is it that people who don't care about the weather are the first to bitch about it when it changes |
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 MJimLayAKA FlexBaudPremium join:2004-10-06 Pensacola, FL kudos:2 | reply to Axilla This isn't looking so hot for NW Florida.
Yesterday the track showed the storm heading more our way, but I didn't have a feeling or anything. Today I was at work and noticed the track changed to the east again and we were out of the picture. Me and a coworker got to talking about the storm and he said "Oh yeah, I think it's heading that way. I have that gut feeling" and I thought to myself "Yeah Right... It isn't heading this way" and I got home this evening, took a nap and checked again and we are back in the picture. Now I am starting to get a gut feeling like I did with Hurricane Ivan. |
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 pcdebbRIP dadkinsPremium join:2000-12-03 Brandon, FL kudos:4 | reply to lilhurricane lilhurricanefaye.......that line comes right over Tampa |
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 | reply to ghostpainter Ok I'm on board for the Peninsula hit now. I even got a map up for ya to look at! lol.
Tropical Weather Service Tropical-Scale-Discussion Ontario, California August 16, 2008 7:45pm PDT CURRENT - OFFICIAL Map: »www.owsweather.com/tsd1.html
Fay is a tropical storm right now. While we cannot do the strength forecasts as this may be a bit tough to get a hold on, the track is turning more East. A low pressure system out ahead of the storm might actually slow down the Westward direction. This would allow it to begin It's turn North. Earlier projections had it West of the Peninsula of Florida. However, as the storm gets closer, larger scale features are able to be pinpointed. At this time we will project it into Florida. We know this is a given. Right now we will take it about the same path Hurricane Charley did. Right up the Peninsula from the South-Southwest. Current NHC projections put it a bit further West of what I am thinking at this time. After that, it would ride up the Eastern seaboard. Question remains...Is New York in the path of the circulation down the line?
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 ghostpainterI Write for the ApocalypsePremium,MVM join:2002-05-25 Rancho Cucamonga, CA kudos:3 | Fixes from a reconnaissance plane and data from Cuban radars indicate that Fay is moving toward the west or 275 degrees at 12 knots. Fay is already reaching the southwestern edge of the Bermuda ridge so a gradual turn to the northwest is expected during the next 24 to 36 hours. This will be followed by a northward turn around the western edge of the high. On this track, Fay should be hugging the South Coast of Cuba for the next day or so...and then it should move northward over the extreme eastern Gulf of Mexico very near or over the west Florida coast. Track guidance has not changed significantly...and most of the models are in extremely good agreement for the next 48 hours. The spread becomes much larger beyond 48 hours with some models bringing Fay over Florida and others keeping it over the Gulf of Mexico. The official forecast is on top of the consensus...which is in the middle of the guidance envelope.
On this track...watches may be required early Sunday for portions of South Florida and the Florida Keys.
3 extreme models have shown guidance into the area from Lake Charles eastward into New Orleans. These models suggest that Hurricane watches will need to be posted from Lake Charles all the way east into the Florida Panhandle.
These models suggest that the storm would dissipate over the south east US. But if the other models should hold true, my thinking is that Fay will skirt the west coast of Florida and move into Georgia then move back out along the East coast being guided by the Bermuda high which will be squeezing Fay northward. After that, depending on the strength of the storm we shall see how it holds together as it moves over the 60 degree waters just off shore of New Jersey and New York.
gdh-hinghamwx -- My Bloggs, »www.insidetheie.com/ »earthlogii.blogspot.com/ »vietaffairsvets.blogspot.com/ A Forecaster for HinghamWX on EarthLogIIWX. Why is it that people who don't care about the weather are the first to bitch about it when it changes |
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| It's Obviously beat it's way through the brick wall. The current sat images (0600 eastern)would almost make you think that it has split in two across Jamaica. Currently you can see good outflow, but it's very hard to determine the center. It seems to be with the northern area of convection that just went into Cuba. If the large area of convection south of Jamaica starts to spin as well that would really mess up the models. I don't remember of any storm ever splitting, but I have seen two come together and go into binary motion causing both storms to accelerate wildly. |
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The computers can't decide! |
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