 | good luck riaa... when you have less revenue coming in, what are you gonna blame it on? Pirating? Your Just screwing yourselves. |
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 | said by centsofhumor:when you have less revenue coming in, what are you gonna blame it on? Pirating? Your Just screwing yourselves. Nah, they wont say that. They will just raise CD prices even more, and sit there and wonder why CD sales keep going down....
So, let me get this straight, the billion dollar artists want more money? Anyone wanna start a band? |
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 | This is a case of the greedy megacorps killing the goose that lays the golden egg. If they kill streaming audio (which is what their plan is), they will kill the EXPOSURE that comes from it. Exposure is what leads to sales, not advertising. But they look at the bottom line for the quarter, and, being as shortsighted as they are (take a hint MPAA), they are killing future revenue generation for a short term gain. And it's not just the **ASSASS's that suffer from this. AT&T, Qworst, Comcrap all suffer from this tunnel vision, maximizing profits today but giving up revenue in the future. -- The happiest countries are the most secular. The struggle AGAINST corporations is the struggle FOR humanity! |
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 KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to centsofhumor all the old hat american corporations suffer from that tunnel vision. they live in a world where the stock holder's quarterly profit matters more then the long term future. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
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 bicker join:2007-05-10 Burlington, MA | The reality is that you couldn't care less about their profits. You just want your radio, cheap or free. The folks who DO care about profits make decisions that you don't like. Not a big surprise. They are actually fulfilling their fiduciary responsibilities, and basing their decisions on real expertise, knowledge, experience and research. They're living and working in the real world, not in the fantasy-land you seem to be alluding to. |
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 | said by bicker:The reality is that you couldn't care less about their profits. You just want your radio, cheap or free. The folks who DO care about profits make decisions that you don't like. Not a big surprise. They are actually fulfilling their fiduciary responsibilities, and basing their decisions on real expertise, knowledge, experience and research. They're living and working in the real world, not in the fantasy-land you seem to be alluding to. Your kidding right? Artists are making billions of dollars, yet they want to whine and moan that piracy is hurting them. Or wait is that just the RIAA that is doing the whining and moaning? Look at Nine Inch Nails, they made more money by offering as a "pay what you want" download than publishing it to CD (its around the internet, google it). The reality I live in is that CD sales are not down because of piracy, but its down because of this thing we call the internet...where I can buy the same CD for less than I can in the store. So, which should I get in my car, which wastes gas (which costs money if you can't figure that out), to drive to the store, to pick up the CD, to wait in line, then drive back home. Or what about 5 clicks and I got the whole album in about 5-10 minutes; and best of all didn't even have to leave my chair.
People need to wake up and ask the "what if" questions. Lets say for example pandora closed their doors today; piracy will go up because people want to listen to artists' music. Pandora is a legal way to listen to free music, if you take that away people will find other means to listen to music for free...ie pirate it. And if you don't think people will figure it out...humans are VERY resourceful and if you back them into a corner they will figure out to get what they want for how ever much they are willing to pay for it (ie nothing).
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 bicker join:2007-05-10 Burlington, MA | Why in the world would I be kidding? How much anyone is making isn't the point: Content owners getting full value for their assets is the point. Their property; their rules. That's the law, and how it should be. Your rant is a common rejoinder by folks trying to rationalize transgressive behaviors, such as piracy. It's wrong. |
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 | I think my point went above your head. My main point of the rant is that if services like pandora go away, people will just find another way to get music for free. Now, the music industry is just shooting itself in the foot; by raising the prices and driving streaming services out of business it will only create LESS NOT MORE revenue for them. Though in the end it will probably balance out, but its only screwing over the end consumer.
Which is better for everyone: services like pandora that pay the artists (through adverts and premium services) or piracy? And don't try and say that people will start buying CDs if pandora goes out, they will either find a service like pandora (last.fm for example) or just pirate the music. In people's minds it makes no sense to not pay for something...then to start paying for something unless they absolutely HAVE TO. Sure, some people will, but the general populous wont.
I never said that they weren't getting "full value" for their assets. And I never said piracy is OK, or try to "rationalize" it. But, the sad truth is people do it, they know exactly full well what they are doing....hell some do it with pride. Piracy will always exist, you can NOT stop piracy (you can deter it, but you can't stop it). And the usual trend is the more you deter it, the more it becomes a problem. They only way to stop piracy this is to monitor EVERY HUMAN 24/7 to make sure they aren't coping that CD for a friend or downloading a song through an encrypted channel.
And how much money they have is the big point! All these artists can give away their "assets" and still rake in a profit, nine inch nail proved this. So why are artists keep increasing the price of their "assets"? |
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 bicker join:2007-05-10 Burlington, MA | Not a chance. Your point was, as I said, a rationalization for transgressive behavior. It isn't your place to tell others how much they should charge for what they sell. They shouldn't be expected to keep their prices below their true value because of how selfish pirates are. |
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