Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON | reply to Ikarasu
Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them..
I really despise private bittorrent trackers for a host of reasons, so I won't be searching around for invites to any of them.
I'll see about newsgroups once I'm in France, because signing up now is useless. Thanks for your help. |
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Last Parade
One of the Brightest Stars
join:2002-10-07
Port Colborne, ON | reply to Ravage_D
The clear answer is not for one or the other, but both. I will try usenet first because I know it will be a fast, reliable download. If I can't find it there, I will look for torrents. |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to Black Moon
said by Black Moon  :I don't have much experience with usenet. Tried it some years ago, found it difficult to set up and find content (someone know a good guide on setting this up in Ubuntu?) and I don't like paying a monthly $10/mo for some 10 GB or so of content. Huh? I pay Usenetserver 13/month unlimited??? |
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cbp
join:2005-11-24
Montreal, QC
| said by elwoodblues :said by Black Moon :I don't have much experience with usenet. Tried it some years ago, found it difficult to set up and find content (someone know a good guide on setting this up in Ubuntu?) and I don't like paying a monthly $10/mo for some 10 GB or so of content. Huh? I pay Usenetserver 13/month unlimited??? I pay Astraweb 11/month unlimited. |
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pstewart
Premium,VIP
join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
| reply to Ravage_D
Umm... just to clarify - some ISP's provide premium newsgroups at no charge. It's not super popular and I'm not plugging anyone (I work for an ISP) but everyone gets caught up in the $$$ factor here sometimes and wanted to provide a few thoughts.... it's looked as a value add for some ISP's....
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Nexicom High Speed Internet - »www.nexicom.net/ |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| said by pstewart :just to clarify - some ISP's provide premium newsgroups at no charge. I wouldn't call it "premium" they probably buy it from some other provider but host it on their own systems. The quality will never be the same as a real provider.
BTW I just got an email from newsguy yesterday saying that they will move next week. It will only get better.
"This move will provide a highly robust Internet connection and vastly improved peering for your route to NewsGuy. A major increase in bandwidth resources, additional front-end servers and upgraded hardware, together with a 30% increase in Usenet articles retention will accommodate faster throughput and an enriched Usenet experience." |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
1 edit | reply to cbp
said by cbp :said by elwoodblues :said by Black Moon :I don't have much experience with usenet. Tried it some years ago, found it difficult to set up and find content (someone know a good guide on setting this up in Ubuntu?) and I don't like paying a monthly $10/mo for some 10 GB or so of content. Huh? I pay Usenetserver 13/month unlimited??? I pay Astraweb 11/month unlimited. While I can't speak for Astraweb today, I did use them sometime ago.
In my experience no evening/weekend support.
poor retention
Just a bad experience overall.
Oh and your 11/month is at 1mbit speed, a total waste of time. |
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cbp
join:2005-11-24
Montreal, QC
1 edit | said by elwoodblues :While I can't speak for Astraweb today, I did use them sometime ago. In my experience no evening/weekend support. poor retention Just a bad experience overall. Oh and your 11/month is at 1mbit speed, a total waste of time. Trying support right now. Let us hope that it works ok.
Retention wise I got a 90+ day old file. Didn't need anything older.
It is Unlimited DSL which has no speed limit (a special). It maxes out my 7Mbps connection. |
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Zaaaaper
@rogers.com
| reply to Ikarasu
Torrentleech needs an invitation to sign up could you invite me some how? As I'm unsure how to go about getting an Invite any other way.
My email Address is
Bob_is_here@rogers .com
Thank you for your time and hopefully that Invite
Bob |
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vitesse
join:2002-12-17
Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC
 ·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Videotron
·Look Communications
| reply to Ravage_D
if I remember well newsgroup add a much as 25% overhead to file as it's need to encode the files in base64 or yenc, so you download more bite for the same file than in torrent. and torrent is the prefered transfer protocol for open source project like Linux distribution. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to Ravage_D
another classic example of the downside of torrents. and then people complain that there's no seeds.
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It's all... part of the plan. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| said by Stewy :another classic example of the downside of torrents. and then people complain that there's no seeds. A simple search on pizzatorrents turned up that exact 720p torrent on a variety of public torrent sites (mininova included)... |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| with all due respect, please show me a link to one public torrent with at least 1 seed.
I went to multiple torrent searches and couldn't find one public torrent including pizza.
I'm just saying that this is an example of the downside of torrents. When if saw this posted at Rlslog it took me under a minute to goto binsearch to create a nzb file and start d/l it.
The other problem to the private torrents you are at the mercy of very limited seeding. |
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by Stewy :The other problem to the private torrents you are at the mercy of very limited seeding. Don't you mean public torrents? Private ones are usually overseeded. |
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nanook
Premium,MVM
join:2007-12-02
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by Black Moon :said by Stewy :The other problem to the private torrents you are at the mercy of very limited seeding. Don't you mean public torrents? Private ones are usually overseeded. I would think so.
As for the PBS Nature program, I guess it depends on what you use BT for. I mostly download TV programs, including the occasional PBS and BBC documentaries. Since I have never had problems finding a particular show that I want to watch, I conclude that this particular program is an anomaly. By itself, that is hardly sufficient justification to spend $10 or more per month extra for Usenet. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA
| reply to Ravage_D
if you are lucky enough to be in Britsh Columbia, then torrents are fun.
With TELUS ADSL 6.0 for $40 a month(a landline might be needed otherwise you pay an extra $10/mo dry line fee) you can torrent and seed as much as you like, 24/7 with no caps, no throttling, nothing at all. I use TPB and various private torrent sites for a total of over 300g every month. download speeds are about 600KB per second, with seeding speeds up to 90KB per second.
(with any other telus package other than the 6.0 plan, this will NOT work since there are strict limits) |
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Phorkster
Premium
join:2004-06-27
Windsor, ON
·Cogeco Cable
 ·Cogeco Voip
| reply to IIgs
said by IIgs :Usenet you have to download ALL the headers first (how long can that take?), find and hope all the segments are there, and if not try and repair it with PAR files. Searching for something particular is rather a pain too. I'm sure there's better options than NewsBin Pro (what I'm using at the moment) but because of all that's involved, I rarely use my Usenet connection. Eh? DL all the headers? Time to get out of the 90s bro. Newsleecher w/Supersearch == your friend. Search for what you want, right click and click SmartSelect, it selects all the files of the same name. Click on DL, and watch as Newsleecher, DLs verifies the pars, joins them, unRars them and leaves a fresh ISO or other in a directory you want... Doesn't get much easier than that.
They both have their advantages, but for me its Usenet. |
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Phorkster
Premium
join:2004-06-27
Windsor, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·Cogeco Voip
| reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues :While I can't speak for Astraweb today, I did use them sometime ago. In my experience no evening/weekend support. poor retention Just a bad experience overall. Oh and your 11/month is at 1mbit speed, a total waste of time. I get 1MB/s +. I max my connection. |
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Ikarasu
join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC
·ITalkBB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to vitesse
said by vitesse :if I remember well newsgroup add a much as 25% overhead to file as it's need to encode the files in base64 or yenc, so you download more bite for the same file than in torrent. and torrent is the prefered transfer protocol for open source project like Linux distribution. hmm? YenC which is the standard that most groups/sites post to Newsgroups, have 1-2% overhead. I believe your thinking of the olden days when people used UUencode, back when it was 30-40%. Nowadays... their is less overhead... And without the need to upload, You use far less bandwidth then you would if you used Torrent.
Not sure on the specifics of Torrents... but constantly contacting trackers for peers, updating them, ect, it's probably around more (But not by much). And the more torrents you have, the more overhead... I believe you can get up to 15-20% overhead if your downloading 10 torrents at once (which I doubt most people do... :P) Probably around 2-3%, And their is also bad hashes. I have: 1.16 MB on a 700 mb file, 9 on a 20 GB file.
Bah.. point is, Comparing overhead... it's such a small difference between the two it doesn't matter. |
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mishkin8
join:2005-09-12
·NBTel now Aliant
| reply to Ravage_D
there is no issues with my torrents and i actually prefer ScT to topsites because it's easier to see whats new, whats popular and max my 2 dsl's, good scene sites block too many connections (I get timeouts when connections fuck up too)
Usenet is for suckers, and it's got a good learning curve to it |
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